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Valkyrie .224 upper
The Valkyrie .224 AR variant is getting some good buzz. Anyone given any thought to the logistics (both technical and CA legal) to integrating one of these .224 uppers with their existing lowers? If so, what have you learned?
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Last edited by eswrite; 04-14-2018 at 4:34 PM.. |
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I think it's kind of a non-issue. The reason the uppers are sold is to put them on a person's existing lower. And there is no legal blocker to doing this---based on the caliber alone. People swap uppers all the time.
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Of course, the ammo is pretty rare, and from what I've found, if you want consistency, you pretty much have to reload.
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I bought a 1000 rounds at the end of February without an issue. Midway had a very reasonable price per round. So far very consistent as far a spread. Didn't put it on a rest but I'm keeping it inside 8" on steel at 500 yards.
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In my case I would likely just convert one of my 5.56 uppers to .224V. For the time being. Like I indicated, I'd only need a barrel, bolt, and magazines. Personally, I would go with a barrel longer than 18" though. Might as well get the most out of that cartridge. Go at least 20", and maybe 22" or 24". And forget the muzzle device. They look cool but are of limited value on a rifle like this anyway. And a brake makes the rifle noisier than it needs to be.... for yourself and those around you. And a little heavier. And BTW, a flash hider is fine, so long as your rifle has a "fixed" magazine. Or if you're registering the lower. I'd hope that consistency is there if using Federal's match grade 90gr loads. They do offer a "plinker" American Eagle load though. 75gr? Quote:
And which Federal loading you use to get those groups? |
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Geez, I just went to a couple of the local shops this morning to get a feel for ammo availability. Only the local Turner's had any .224V. The 90 grain SMK match type. Only two boxes in stock. $30/box. Ouch. That's a lot of money for "AR" ammo. And they didn't have any 6.5 Grendel, which I'm also curious about. |
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But I have the impression that the other two members got more favorable "online" prices for their big orders, from who knows where. Midway or Palmetto perhaps. I assume those companies still ship to FFLs in CA. If too many people start asking to use the stores as a ship-to point, the stores will start getting smart and charge a nominal fee. That would actually seem kinda fair to me. |
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22 Nosler....forgotten
22-45 Sharps...forgotten I'll wait a few years before even considering .224Val
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And you have to remember that this whole no-online-ammo law has gotten us all into the position of figuring out new ways of doing things. |
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Although of the two shops I swung by yesterday, neither had 6.5G in stock. I'm just using this info as an initial gauge. Things might improve. |
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If you think that's impressive, check it out at 1,000 yards:
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Note how these state you need 6.8 SPC mags, which Calegalmags lists here in 10 round configurations.
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^ And that's a good thing. It means there's options on both ends of the price spectrum.
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I take it PSA is the low end provider? What capabilities do you give up by going with them?
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PSA is kind of a "value" supplier, in my opinion anyway. Gets the job done, generally.
Regarding any upper, it's all about the barrel. And with these PSA uppers, it isn't really clear what you're getting. And "A2" style? I assume that means thin under the handguard; standard Gov't profile. Never seen that with a stainless barrel. And it's not something you would want. |
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Following up.... Here's a page showing that PSA A2 type barrel. Yep. Looks "A2" to me. Kinda odd that they bothered to make this commercial stainless "accuracy" barrel with that relief. Doesn't mean it won't shoot well though.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-1...165447820.html |
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Had this high-velocity carbine idea that I've been wondering about...
Could you take a basic stainless 20" 5.56 1:9 barrel, cut and rechamber it as a 16" mid-length 224 valkyrie? How fast could you get 55 fmj's out of that? 3400-3500 fps? I think that would make it a very unique setup for defending your home against any type of home invasion. |
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^^^ I know it's been done, but cutting down a rifle-gas barrel to 16" might not be a very reliable setup---can't say if it's even been tried yet with .224V. Why not just start with a 16" midlength barrel?
IMO, uniqueness doesn't really have any value at all when we're talking home defense. Off the shelf stuff will work just as well or better. |
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I was thinking of a budget setup,
But yeah...starting off with a new barrel is ideal. I just figured there's a ton of 20" 1:9 barrels out there for so cheap. Don't need a ton of accuracy for home defense. My thought with this setup was...in some horror scenario where invaders were stacked and ready to rush your living room...all wearing level 3 body armor....there's not a lot that can get thru that in a short amount of time. I know it's some fantasy idea...but if you were to think of the worst home defense situation, that would be it. High speed is what gets thru rifle plates so...that's how I came up with the idea of a 16" 224 valkyrie. |
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It's not like we're talking about a 300 win mag, lol. It's still just a small amount powder. Fast rifle powder, at that.
What is another way to get a 3rd 16" barrelled semi-auto projectile to 3400+ fps with 1400+ ft lbs? Last edited by Guardian Mode; 04-24-2018 at 4:13 PM.. |
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I wouldn't worry about it. Logic is taking a lunch break here.
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I know 20" is nice. But every inch of a .224 barrel is noticeable. There's so much meat on those barrels. But yeah...It's probably just better to do that and spit out 55 fmj's even if it's too much spin...it would be a nightmare scenario anyways. The 99.9999% of it's life could be spent at a bench shooting 75's/80's/90's.
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