Why YOU should BOYCOTT ARMALITE

[Bobby Hated]

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=5921&...heres-armalite

[pMcW]

I never bought anything from them in the first place. I guess I will keep not buying anything from them.

[phamkl]

Where I disagree with them is that I don't feel that ArmaLite is making the case that LEO lives are worth more. That's just exaggeration and blowing things well out of proportion. The comment that LEO's working wooded areas may run into drug farms and the like, and deserves good hardware, is not saying that civilians don't deserve it. He deserves it the same as we deserve it. The main difference that I see is that sometimes it's a LEO job to go into a suspicious area, whereas the rest of us, knowing the first rule of self defense, should avoid a suspicious area and avoid the conflict to start with.

Do NOT misconstrue my post to say that LEO deserves anything more than we do. I'll state again that I support the companies holding LEO to the same standard as other civilians, and would like Armalite to do the same. I even support this boycott. Where I disagree is the inflammatory and insulting attitudes against Armalite. I have no illusion that "attitude" is going to have a direct effect on Armalite, as a boycott is a boycott. The difference is when this is all over, a lot of people will still boycott the company, holding onto an ire that overblown.

My biggest problem with this is the mob mentality. The company hasn't joined in with the mob and so is ostracized. And what of valuing independent thinking? Until such time that Armalite actively endorses legislation that infringes on our rights, then we I think are overreacting. Arming law enforcement does not mean arming the disarmament movement. LEO's have other jobs as well.

And to reiterate - I do NOT think law enforcement deserves modern firearms more than any of us; however I do not begrudge Officer Joe his rifle just because I can't get mine. That anger is directed higher up.

[qdx450]

if people boycott armalite at the gun shows maybe that would help. i'll bet it would be very uncomfortable if no one came to your booth and everyone around you knew why.

[FlipR1dah]

Apparently I've been boycotting them for awhile...since I never purchased from them...and now don't plan to.

Aren't they on the prohibited list anyway in Cali?

[m1aowner]

They've always been over priced. Plus I never see their gear for sale anywhere. Let them be the standby and watch losers they are.

[ZombieTactics]

The fundamental and central notion of this issue is that LE are not some set of isolated individuals separate from the oppressive governments who employ them. They are the very means by which unconstitutional laws will be enforced.

Make no mistake. The emphasis on "force" above is no accident, as it is force which will be applied against the human rights of every law-abiding gun owner.

LE agencies (or individuals within those agencies) who do not openly and forcefully voice their opposition to such unconstitutional laws give their assent and tacit approval through their silence. This is not a time for half-measures or benefits-of-doubt.

If a restaurant wants to put poison in your food, you don't have a nice discussion about what is a "reasonable amount", or excuse the cook because "he's just doing his job".

It is a time for choosing. Those who choose to ride the fence will find themselves in an uncomfortable position, as they should.

[Volksgrenadier]

Originally Posted by ZombieTactics

The fundamental and central notion of this issue is that LE are not some set of isolated individuals separate from the oppressive governments who employ them. They are the very means by which unconstitutional laws will be enforced.

^^^^This.

The NKVD was such. Katyn Forest is not hyperbole.

[Sam .223]

Well I won't be purchasing the Armalite rifle I was looking at. Who's their biggest competitor, I'll go there instead.

[k1dude]

Originally Posted by Sam .223

Well I won't be purchasing the Armalite rifle I was looking at. Who's their biggest competitor, I'll go there instead.

DPMS.

[nrgcruizer]

I'm still sore over Ruger and have yet to purchase anything Ruger. Looks like Armalite will be on my list now.

[Noble Cause]

Originally Posted by nrgcruizer

I'm still sore over Ruger and have yet to purchase anything Ruger. Looks like Armalite will be on my list now.

I reconsidered my views on Ruger years ago.

As others have frequently mentioned, Ruger is a different company today.

They sell several AR variants, they now sell normal capacity magazines,
not the neutered mags Bill Ruger pushed after being coerced by politicians.

Their letter writing campaign has generated over five million emails
in support of the 2nd Amendment.... S&W has followed with their own
letter program after seeing how effective Rugers idea was.

If Ruger was to go out of Business, it would hurt our cause, not help it.

Not to mention the hard working people at Ruger today, should not be
punished for a grievous mistake a dead man made decades ago.

I think Armalite has responded rather poorly so far. They need to step
up to the plate somehow, and make it clear to us and the anti civil rights
politicians that Armalite stands with us in defense of the 2nd Amendment.

Noble

[tcrpe]

I ain't gonna be boycotting no Armalite.

[.22guy]

If I boycotted every gun maker and gun store that I see people calling for a boycott for I'd be reduced to whittling sharp sticks and making rubber band guns for weaponry.

[HKMadness]

I too will continue not buying anything from armalite.

[bonusweb]

Its called voting with your wallet. If most of us are firm they will notice and change their ways. leos can complain to their leaders or vote with their feet and work for an honest state government. They took an oath and if they break that oath they are obligated to turn in their badges. "Just folowing orders" is no excuse, didn't work a Nuremburg trials it certainly will not work now.


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[todd2968]

The point is here are the businesses to support


Those companies include:

LaRue Tactical
Olympic Arms
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC
Templar Custom
York Arms
Cheaper than Dirt
Midway USA


Well, reports have been coming in about additional companies who are joining the bandwagon against government and law enforcement sales in states that have chosen to deny their residents their Constitutionally-protected right to keep and bear arms.

Barrett
Ace Limited
Doublestar
J & T Distributing
J & G Sales
Spike’s Tactical
Bullwater Enterprises
Westfork Armory
Smith Enterprise
Alex Arms
Quality Arms
Liberty Suppressors
American Spirit Arms
Trident Armory
Head Down Products
Bravo Company USA

[Bobby Hated]

Originally Posted by .22guy

If I boycotted every gun maker and gun store that I see people calling for a boycott for I'd be reduced to whittling sharp sticks and making rubber band guns for weaponry.

well if you do decide to care about your rights and want to buy from sources that unequivocally support your 2A rights here's a list of the companies that wont sell to LEO's in gun control states:

•LaRue Tactical
•Olympic Arms
•Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC
•Templar Custom
•York Arms
•Cheaper than Dirt
•Midway USA
•Barrett
•Ace Limited
•Doublestar
•J & T Distributing
•J & G Sales
•Spike’s Tactical
•Bullwater Enterprises
•Westfork Armory
•Smith Enterprise
•Alex Arms
•Quality Arms
•Liberty Suppressors
•American Spirit Arms
•Trident Armory
•Head Down Products
•Bravo Company USA

[advocatusdiaboli]

Originally Posted by phamkl

however I do not begrudge Officer Joe his rifle just because I can't get mine.

That is the beginning of defeat—once they get you to divide yourselves as you just did, then they can take you on one by one. You don't realize it, but with your attitude, you've already lost.

[rugershooter]

Originally Posted by phamkl

Where I disagree with them is that I don't feel that ArmaLite is making the case that LEO lives are worth more. That's just exaggeration and blowing things well out of proportion. The comment that LEO's working wooded areas may run into drug farms and the like, and deserves good hardware, is not saying that civilians don't deserve it. He deserves it the same as we deserve it. The main difference that I see is that sometimes it's a LEO job to go into a suspicious area, whereas the rest of us, knowing the first rule of self defense, should avoid a suspicious area and avoid the conflict to start with.

Do NOT misconstrue my post to say that LEO deserves anything more than we do. I'll state again that I support the companies holding LEO to the same standard as other civilians, and would like Armalite to do the same. I even support this boycott. Where I disagree is the inflammatory and insulting attitudes against Armalite. I have no illusion that "attitude" is going to have a direct effect on Armalite, as a boycott is a boycott. The difference is when this is all over, a lot of people will still boycott the company, holding onto an ire that overblown.

My biggest problem with this is the mob mentality. The company hasn't joined in with the mob and so is ostracized. And what of valuing independent thinking? Until such time that Armalite actively endorses legislation that infringes on our rights, then we I think are overreacting. Arming law enforcement does not mean arming the disarmament movement. LEO's have other jobs as well.

And to reiterate - I do NOT think law enforcement deserves modern firearms more than any of us; however I do not begrudge Officer Joe his rifle just because I can't get mine. That anger is directed higher up.

It's not begrudging anybody anything. It's asking them to abide by the same laws I abide by. If one has the view that "the law is the law" and the "commoners" should be subject to them, yet that same person says the police should be exempt is implying that the lives of the police are somehow more valuable than the lives of others. They may not admit that and may even deny it. But that's the bottom line. If I have to obey the law and can't do certain things, then the police - who are public servants shouldn't be able to do those things either. If the authority of government comes from the consent of the governed, the government doesn't have the authority to do anything the People can't do....after all, the government does it on our behalf. Nobody forced them to take the job, they knew the risks when they joined. All this does is create an "us vs. them" attitude between the police and other people. If the cop's lives are not more valuable than mine, why should they be able to have weapons I can't have? As a "non-cop" I'm not qualified or valuable enough to be afforded the protection of certain types of firearms. But the police "need" those firearms that I can't have, and the justification is that the types of firearms I'm legally restricted to aren't good enough for them. Which implies that their lives are more valuable than that of others who aren't cops and don't intentionally go into situations that the police go into.

[tanner127]

I purchased a bunch of items from Armalite before this whole "gun craze" hit. I still believe they have excellent products, but after seeing their lack of 2A support I will not be buying from them again anytime soon, unless of course they change their position on the topic. I will gladly spend my money with companies that support my 2A rights.

[k1dude]

I just purchased a DPMS patterned 308 lower instead of the Armalite AR-10 lower I was considering before hearing of their stance. They've already lost business with me. Now I will be building it up with all DPMS components instead of Armalite components.

[mabilis_matulis]

I don't buy any armalite products but that respond letter from armalite doesn't seem right or professionally done..

[gwgn02]

buh bye Armalite...pussi es.

[tonelar]

Armalite isn't even the same company that came out with the first ARs... The current owners purchased it years ago.

[.22guy]

Originally Posted by Bobby Hated

well if you do decide to care about your rights and want to buy from sources that unequivocally support your 2A rights here's a list of the companies that wont sell to LEO's in gun control states:

I DO care about my rights, thank you very much.

I just get tired of seeing half a dozen "boycott" threads on Calguns every time I'm on. Sometimes they are legit and sometimes not.

Thanks for the list.

PS You really should take Cheaper than Dirt off that list.

[Simply115]

Lel, CTD now supports our rights? That's the best joke I've heard all day.

[elsolo]

For those of you who act serious about this avenue of protest, shouldn't it be:

"Boycott ALL manufacturers except the few tiny boutique ones on the list above"

Or would that be too inconvenient?

What about ammo manufacturers?
Are any on the list?
Should we all stop shooting because Winchester, Speer, etc sell to LEA's?
What primer manufacturer has joined this list?

[hermosabeach]

Shoild we be boycotting anti gun corporations?
Entities that support the gun ban groups?

Boycotting Colt for failing to cease selling to LEO seems... Like we are on the wrong path....

If Glock stopped selling to LEO, a void would be created....

In the real world, the void would be filled by another supplier

I get why people boycotted Colt after the 1994 AWB. Colt stopped making rifles for the public and really cut back on modern hand guns to the public for years.

Same with Ruger- the original owner supported the AWB and the ban on public sales of mags over 10 rounds.

Fortunately Ruger changed management and went back to he pro 2A side of the fence

[bonusweb]

Here is updated list. http://theintelhub.com/2013/02/25/gu...700-in-1-week/

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[Napalm Bulldog]

Originally Posted by phamkl

Where I disagree with them is that I don't feel that ArmaLite is making the case that LEO lives are worth more. That's just exaggeration and blowing things well out of proportion. The comment that LEO's working wooded areas may run into drug farms and the like, and deserves good hardware, is not saying that civilians don't deserve it. He deserves it the same as we deserve it. The main difference that I see is that sometimes it's a LEO job to go into a suspicious area, whereas the rest of us, knowing the first rule of self defense, should avoid a suspicious area and avoid the conflict to start with.

Do NOT misconstrue my post to say that LEO deserves anything more than we do. I'll state again that I support the companies holding LEO to the same standard as other civilians, and would like Armalite to do the same. I even support this boycott. Where I disagree is the inflammatory and insulting attitudes against Armalite. I have no illusion that "attitude" is going to have a direct effect on Armalite, as a boycott is a boycott. The difference is when this is all over, a lot of people will still boycott the company, holding onto an ire that overblown.

My biggest problem with this is the mob mentality. The company hasn't joined in with the mob and so is ostracized. And what of valuing independent thinking? Until such time that Armalite actively endorses legislation that infringes on our rights, then we I think are overreacting. Arming law enforcement does not mean arming the disarmament movement. LEO's have other jobs as well.

And to reiterate - I do NOT think law enforcement deserves modern firearms more than any of us; however I do not begrudge Officer Joe his rifle just because I can't get mine. That anger is directed higher up.

Even if Officer Joe is enforcing the same laws that will take yours away? How about if Joe officer stands on national television in support of you not having one? Really!!!! So you do support them having AR's and the common citizen well can pound sand its the politicians fault? Ever heard of Union Lobbyist? What do you think the Chicago or New York Police Union is pushing for when it comes to you and I owning an AR or any other kind of firearm? Its stated in the article the manufacturers are only boycotting the cities that are infringing on our 2A rights. Armalite can kiss my ***! All they are doing is trying to capitalise on the void thats going to be created.

[hnoppenberger]

I dream of a day when all gun companies are not selling to the government.

[bonusweb]

List is even way larger now. Is there a thread for this?

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepor...omentum/36426/

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[MikeR]

Originally Posted by tonelar

Armalite isn't even the same company that came out with the first ARs... The current owners purchased it years ago.

You mean like just about every other old school gun manufacture, colt, s&w ect....

Love my Armalite products. It saddens me to see their stance on this. Boycotting is kinda lame in general, but I will give this consideration when I'm looking to purchase my next upper/lpk/bcg ..ect, Im sure it will influence my decision at some point.

Magpul is doing the same crap. *sigh*

[shootthehorses]

Originally Posted by hnoppenberger

I dream of a day when all gun companies are not selling to the government.

Bingo. Government stopped all of us from being able to legally acquire machine guns made after 1986, gun companies should repay the favor. They should not be sold ammo, gear, weapons, police cars, etc., etc. Any government who takes away the rights of citizens who constitue a free, market driven society should not be allowed the benefits of same.

I will buy my next pistol from the major manufacturer who says "we will NOT sell to law enforcement or the military any firearm that a citizen may not legally own in its originally designed capacity and configuration". I would love to see a company like S&W, Beretta, Glock or Sig make such a stand, but I seriously doubt it will ever happen.