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Next best option for LTC?
On a job a while back, was given a "safety trincket", a nice thin metal lock blade knife. Very easy to open one handed with a 3" blade, carries very comfortable in my back pocket.
Part of my daily routine is to take a nice long walk in the park. Today on my walk I came to a isolated area with a service road access to rather large lawn area surrounded by trees. Cant see the lawn area from the barracaded service road entrance. As I get to the lawn area, a guy was playin fetch with his pit bull about 80 yrds from me. Pit bull sees me, drops stick and charges straight to me at a full sprint. I stop, get knife from my back pocket and wait...I'm at defcon 1, not knowing if this dog is gonna maul me or lick me to death. Everything went ok. Pit bull came to me and retreated when his owner called him. This was a very scary situation that could have went really bad. I sure hope that my county goes shall issue some day. For now, knife is next best option. Last edited by 1bulletBarney; 02-19-2014 at 7:30 PM.. |
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No, dog was ok, he sure looked mean tho... wish owners would obey leash laws...
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I understand that Pit bulls can be big and intimidating looking and the dog definitely should have been on a leash ,but would you have shared this story if it was a golden retriever or lab that came running over to you? Just because YOU were scared, doesn't mean pit bulls are scary or mean. Think about the message your sending about the breed.
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You are right.
As a dog lover, It is my problem that people wrongfully stereotype this breed as something its not. But as a member on a gun form I would think you would understand and be somewhat sympathetic because we deal with a similar situation: Its the same mentality that people say AR15s are scary big black guns. |
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The worst thing we do as a society is ignore science for "emotion".
Being a dog lover does nothing to change the science that pit bulls are by far the most dangerous breed of domestic dog. http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/31-year-...ack-trends.pdf http://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-atta...ifton-2013.pdf It takes almost 0 skill with excel to see dog population to bite ratio. The only domestic dog breed that mauls, kills, and bites more people than the pitbull as a percentage of population, is the wolf-hybrid. Pitbulls are an aggressive and unpredictable dog breed and the *only* known domestic dog breed to randomly turn on their owners unprovoked and kill or maul them, other than wolf-hybrids. Between 2006 and 2008, pit bulls were responsible for killing 6 senior citizens, their owners, on their own property. In fact... they were responsible for 59% of all dog related deaths involved pit bulls and 81% of off-property deaths were pit bulls that got out of their yard and killed random people that offered no threat. I would be a lot more likely to shoot a charging pit bull over a golden retriever, they don't have a factual reputation for aggressively killing people. That is science. Lets keep opinion out of facts.
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Even worse for society is selective facts and not looking at the bigger picture
http://mabbr.org/pit-bull-ownership/...out-pit-bulls/ There is no "science" as you claimed to be quoting that shows the pit bull breed randomly turns against humans. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON . |
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Let me guess though... you didn't actually read any of it? I didn't post anything from an anti-pit bull site... I posted factual dog bite statistics from a pro-animal safety group. You are posting from about the most possibly biased site without factual reference to data that you possibly could. It is akin to using MSNBC as an unbiased opinion site for Obama.
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Pepper spray may be a good option if you need some protection against a loose/vicious dog. Also a good solid walking stick is probably wise to have. Nothing says down boy like a swift whack across the head.
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I used to get it backwards too! Sent from my iPhone; pardon any typos.
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Dogbites.org is a amateur website owned and written by solely one woman, Collen Lynn, whose original intention was to ban certain breeds deemed too dangerous to own as she stated in her original "about us" section on her website. Quote:
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The facts I provided are backed strongly by the ACF (American Canine Foundation) which is one of the biggest foundations for canines in America Here is their link which has a lot of great information and backs up what I was trying to say with the first resource I provided. Quote:
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I've only been bitten by one dog in my life and it was a wiener dog, I hate those things almost as much as I hate chihuahuas. I have known a lot of pits and have never had an issue with any of them. And I grew up in gang areas down south where they loved to make pits mean by being stupid owners, and that is the problem 99% of the time. Stupid owners that get a pit and make them mean to make themselves look tough.
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Dogs are not scary unless you are not an alpha. Alphas know.
LTC versus knife is not even a discussion to have - apples and rutabagas. Who doesn't carry a knife? I'm with SacTown on the pepper spray as well. LTC, knife, pepper spray - what you want is not LTC versus knife as an 'option' what you want are options which means LTC (when we can get it), knives, pepper spray and whatever else you can get without getting into trouble so you have options to choose from when you need them! It is a spectrum of force - not gun versus knife.
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Oh, so if someone was running full speed towards me with an AR15 I shouldn't feel scared?
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The op probably wouldn't have shared his story if it was a chihuahua that came running at him. He mentioned it was a pit bull multiple times insinuating that this specific breed is something to be feared where as it was really just his personal fear. My analogy was to make the comparison of how people use emotion and fear of the ar15 just because of It's color and military looks where really it's just a gun. The same goes for pit bulls and how people are quick to judge them based on their appearance and bad publicity when they are just another dog. Kind of like how people fear the ar15 because the news stories they hear about shootings. |
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The only insinuating I seen was on your behalf. |
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I always like to carry an old 9 iron or sand wedge.
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You mean like you just did. I never accused the op of being anti pit bull. Just said his story portrays a false negative stereotype.
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How about the CDC? Are they *ALSO* anti-pitbull? http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreation...ogbreeds-a.pdf They also conclude that per populace the dogs along with rott mixes are exceptionally dangerous as a percentage of dog population. Is anyone that posts facts about the dangerous nature of pit bull breeds "anti-pitbull"? Or, is it possible, that you are just an apologist for the breed? I'm not saying they need to be banned, shot on sight or anything of the sort, but lets not try to pretend they aren't an aggressive breed of animal. You do have a MUCH bigger reason to fear a pitbull breed charging you, than you do a golden lab though. Facts is facts.
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Except it isn't a false negative stereotype, it is a factual stereotype backed up by multiple, multi-decade studies by completely disparate groups across the country.
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You fail to understand my whole point.
I'm not denying pit bulls are probably one of the more dangerous breeds of dogs given their muscular build and large jaws. When I say dangerous I mean capable of doing more damage more easily than say a Chihuahua . (I would say a .50bmg is more dangerous than a 7.62 but I wouldn't want to be shot by either) Im saying there is absolutely no scientific backing or process that shows the American Pit Bull Terrier has any more tendency to "turn" (not that any dog really turns on people unless they feel threatened or have some other reason) or is more "aggressive". There are a couple reasons that there are "facts" claiming these notions you mentioned. 1. People don't really know what a pit bull is. So when there is a incident where someone is bitten by a dog that resembles a pit bull, when they go to seek medical attention or fill out a survey, they label that dog as a Pit Bull, because they don't know any better. In the long run it makes the "facts" look really bad for pits or in other other words become a "false negative stereotype". 2. When a pit feels threatened and there does happen to be a biting it usually results in much more damage causing the person to actually report it or seek medical attention with is the same as reporting. Think about if everyone reported how many times they were bitten by mini dogs like Dachshunds or Chihuahuas or Mini Dobys. There is a reason they call them ankle bitters and I would guess the numbers would be way higher for dog bites from small dogs if they were all recorded. Not that this matters but I am around a lot of dogs and my personal experience has always proven more aggressiveness from small dogs than the pit bulls I have been around. Im sure we are going to continue to disagree on the matter, and that's fine. I can actually appreciate that you responded with some kind of source and not just pure opinion. I try to be as open minded about everything. Cheers Last edited by AK5.56; 02-20-2014 at 4:42 PM.. |
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With the recent 9th CCA opinion "reverse and remand" in mind, I started this thread after I was charged by a dog (pit bull).
In my opinion a couple of posters craped all over this thread. When this dog was charging, I took a defensive stand and was ready to defend myself with a weapon I lawfully was able to carry. Funny thing was I did not feel the fear until after the situation was over. Pepper spray, golf clubs, big sticks and boots are all viable options, I just happened to have a knife in my pocket. I hope that someday my county (state of CA) will become "shall issue" so that I can have another option to defend myself LTC. Thanks to the posters that stayed with the thread and to the others... |
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