Time to put some optics on my Remington. I need some opinions

[1919A4]

Hi Guy,
Over the years I have mostly shot at the 100 yards ranges. Over the last couple years I have had the opportunity to shoot 100 yards out to 750 or so. I loved the challenge. Next month I am going to take the Introduction to Tactical Long Range Shooting. I want to get involved with shooting matches etc with the guys at the Nor Cal Practical Precision Rifle Club. I believe I have the rifle to get started. But I need to put some decent optics on it. For my budget I have $1450.00 to spend. I am leaning towards a Night Force. I figure I will have to buy used but thats ok. So my question is what reticle do you guys like best on the Night Forces. I was leaning towards the mildot. And for the model. It would be the:
Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 Mil-Dot
NIghtforce NXS 5.5-22 x 50 Mil-Dot

Would you recommend to go 56mm instead of the 50mm. Are there any advantages. Also do you recommend a different reticle like the NP-R2. My eyes are getting old. Seems like on my current scope , 14 power. I was wanting a little more power. But I was looking through a low end scope. Maybe thats the issue

I will be using this scope on a Remington 700 P. Accuracy International stock.Badger Ordnance 20MOA base.Burris Extreme Rings Low. Arizona Tactical Bolt handle. Harris bipod 6-9 swivel.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Brian

[rksimple]

In your budget (a bit over really), the 5.5-22x50 with the MLR reticle and mil knobs is about the best bet. But don't pass up a 3.5-15 with a NPR1 with MOA knobs for a good price. Its more than sufficient for 1k at Sac Valley, and handles the closer tactical stuff really well.

[wildcard]

I'd recommend the 3.5-15X50 MLR reticle with Mil knobs. Since most people are on the Mil system, it'll be a lot easier when people are spotting for you and call out in Mils.
As a beginner, you'll probably want a do-all magnification. If you get the 22X but find that you're shooting at 11X most of the time, you'll end up having to constantly correct by a factor of 2. 15X is the most you'll need (or want) 98% of the time.
Alsom stick with the 50mm. 56mm offers no discernable difference and is enough to require medium rings instead of low.
With that said, NF is the way to go.

[desmark6]

I just got a NXS 3.5-15x50 MLR w/mil knobs and zero stop last month. I love it!! Only have one match under my belt so far but I love it!! Sweet glass if ya ask me!!

Worked just fine from the 1K line as well as the 200.....I never took it off of 15x for the whole match

[Hateca]

5.5-22x50 better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Stick with the 50mm.

Reticle, Mils or MOA is up to you. If you don't know either and want to learn get the Mil if you are set in your ways like me or don't want to learn something new stick with MOA.

[coma]

Problem with high magnification is the hold overs. You will probably not use 22x all the time, therefore your hold overs will be off. Since the 22x has the article at scale you'll have to use 11x and divide the article's scale in two to do hold overs, and that can get difficult under pressure at comp

[1919A4]

Thanks for all the replies guys,
After researching and your guys help and guys over on snipershide I have decided I am going to go with :
NXS 3.5-15x50 MLR w/mil knobs. If I can find a deal on one with zero stop that will be a plus. Otherwise I will buy one without the zero stop.
Thanks again.
Brian

[E Pluribus Unum]

Don't waste the money.... get a Nikkon.... excellent scope for cheap.

[rksimple]

Originally Posted by 1919A4

Thanks for all the replies guys,
After researching and your guys help and guys over on snipershide I have decided I am going to go with :
NXS 3.5-15x50 MLR w/mil knobs. If I can find a deal on one with zero stop that will be a plus. Otherwise I will buy one without the zero stop.
Thanks again.
Brian

They don't make the mil knobs any more without a zero stop. Finding one used is getting harder and harder. I was looking for the same scope recently and only found a few retailers that had the 5.5-22 mil/mil non zero stop in stock. No 3.5-15s in the same configuration. Keep an eye out. Good luck!

[rksimple]

Originally Posted by E Pluribus Unum

Don't waste the money.... get a Nikkon.... excellent scope for cheap.

Are you joking?

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by 1919A4

NXS 3.5-15x50 MLR w/mil knobs. If I can find a deal on one with zero stop that will be a plus. Otherwise I will buy one without the zero stop.
Thanks again.
Brian

What would be considered a good deal to you?

[1919A4]

ok, Thanks for the heads up on that. I appreciate it.
Brian

Originally Posted by rksimple

They don't make the mil knobs any more without a zero stop. Finding one used is getting harder and harder. I was looking for the same scope recently and only found a few retailers that had the 5.5-22 mil/mil non zero stop in stock. No 3.5-15s in the same configuration. Keep an eye out. Good luck!

[1919A4]

I am open, Are you considering selling one?

Originally Posted by wildcard

What would be considered a good deal to you?

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by 1919A4

I am open, Are you considering selling one?

On the fence about it..

I have a used one without zero stops..
And I have a brand spanking new one with zerostops..
Then I also have a lightly used 5.5X22 with zero stops..

I only heavily use one rifle/scope at a time so it's almost wasteful to have good optics sitting on "just for fun rifles" that aren't competed and practiced with.

I have wedding vendors to pay!

[tacticalcity]

You have a pretty decent budget there. So you have lots of options.

I am personally a huge Leupold fan. There are all kinds of Leupold haters, just like there are all kinds of Glock haters. However, I've owned at least 5 different models of Leupold Mark 4 Scopes over the years and could not have been happier with them.

Having owned a 50mm, 56mm and 40mm (not all of which were Leupolds) I found the 40mm was the best option. It alows you to use lower rings. The lower you can get your scope on the rifle (without touching the barrel) the better. It helps avoid height over bore issues and offers a much more comfortable cheek weld. For me, those two things outweight the advantages of a larger front objective. I seriously doubt a scope with anything other than a 40mm front objective will actually work with your rings.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by rksimple

Are you joking?

Originally Posted by tacticalcity

I am personally a huge Leupold fan.

Ignorance is bliss.

[desmark6]

I still have Leupolds on my hunting guns and love them, but after getting my Nightforce scope there is NO STINKIN' WAY I would go back to the Leupold MK 4 that it replaced!!!!

[hnoppenberger]

one thing i noticed the gun does not have a muzzle device? i would say this is overlooked and save the 150-200 to have one installed. it makes a big difference to easily see impacts at distance.

[1919A4]

Hi there.
I am really interested in these two.
Can you shoot me a price by email or IM.
Thank you Sir.
Brian


From: wildcard
I have a used one without zero stops..
And I have a brand spanking new one with zerostops

Originally Posted by wildcard

On the fence about it..

I have a used one without zero stops..
And I have a brand spanking new one with zerostops..
Then I also have a lightly used 5.5X22 with zero stops..

I only heavily use one rifle/scope at a time so it's almost wasteful to have good optics sitting on "just for fun rifles" that aren't competed and practiced with.

I have wedding vendors to pay!

[desmark6]

Originally Posted by hnoppenberger

one thing i noticed the gun does not have a muzzle device? i would say this is overlooked and save the 150-200 to have one installed. it makes a big difference to easily see impacts at distance.

While muzzle breaks are effective at cutting recoil, they are equally effective of annoying your neighbors during a match.

If you are shooting a big caliber sure, but do you really need it on a 308/260/243 that a lot of guys/gals are competing with?

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by desmark6

do you really need it on a 308/260 that a lot of guys/gals are competing with?

yes.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by 1919A4

Hi there.
I am really interested in these two.

Told the woman I was planning to sell some scopes just to have some more disposable income to painlessly pay vendors..

But she told me not to. Probably because one of them is "hers" and she enjoys them too!

[tacticalcity]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

Ignorance is bliss.

Since you and I only agree about 25% of the time, I am not surprised by the response, however ignorance pressumes I have not used the more expensive scopes. That is not the case. I am however a cost vs. reward guy.

I've used Night Force and US Optics and liked them a lot. No question they are great scopes. However, I didn't feel they were worth the extra coin. If they cost the same as a Mark 4, then they would be the winner. But the amount of the increased cost compared to performance in the context of what I am actually using my rifles for...they didn't make much sense. If I were fast ropping into an LZ and taking out Drug Lords from 1000 yards I might feel differently.

If I were going to get something other than a Leupold Mark 4, as in more expensive, I would keep saving for a US Optics scope. I like them much more than Night Force.

Then again, his budget nicely allows for the Night Force, and if he has his heart set on spending of his budgeted amount that is fine. It is his rifle, and he needs to get the scope he will be most happy with.

Bear in mind however that he is going to need taller rings as well. Something it does not sound like he is taking into account. I doubt LOW height rings are going to work with a 50mm or 56mm front objective. Not if he has a thick diamater barrel. A decent set of rings can run you $100-150 right there.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by tacticalcity

Bear in mind however that he is going to need taller rings as well. Something it does not sound like he is taking into account. I doubt LOW height rings are going to work with a 50mm or 56mm front objective. Not if he has a thick diamater barrel. A decent set of rings can run you $100-150 right there.

Low height 30mm rings used on a Picatinny rail on a remington 700 are higher than low height 1" rings.
I use 30mm low rings with a 56mm nightforce with no problem on a factory 700 varmint profile barrel.
The scope is longer so the larger diameter bell ends up further forward where the barrel is not as large in diameter.

[1919A4]

Thats cool man. I understand. I have decided to just buy a new one.
I am going to go with a :
Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50
MLR Mil based Reticle
High Speed 1/10 Mil Rad 0-Stop turrets
50mm Objective.

I hope I am making a good choice. Its allot of funds. LOL
Now I have to find a vendor that has one in stock.

Thanks again guys for all the replies.
Brian
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[QUOTE=wildcard;4789297]Told the woman I was planning to sell some scopes just to have some more disposable income to painlessly pay vendors..

But she told me not to. Probably because one of them is "hers" and she enjoys them too!

[desmark6]

Give CS tactical a try, he's in Elk Grove but has a web site if you want it shipped.......he usually has quite a few NXS in stock, that's where I bought mine, exactly what you are looking for minus the high speed turrets

[1919A4]

Yup, Earlier I sent them a messages to see if they have one in stock.

Originally Posted by desmark6

Give CS tactical a try, he's in Elk Grove but has a web site if you want it shipped.......he usually has quite a few NXS in stock, that's where I bought mine, exactly what you are looking for minus the high speed turrets

[wildcard]

Also try EuroOptic. Good guy to deal with.

[High_Side16]

You can also try SportOptics. They have no tax and free shipping.

http://www.sportoptics.com/nightforc...15-scopes.aspx

[rksimple]

Originally Posted by tacticalcity

Since you and I only agree about 25% of the time, I am not surprised by the response, however ignorance pressumes I have not used the more expensive scopes. That is not the case. I am however a cost vs. reward guy.

I've used Night Force and US Optics and liked them a lot. No question they are great scopes. However, I didn't feel they were worth the extra coin. If they cost the same as a Mark 4, then they would be the winner. But the amount of the increased cost compared to performance in the context of what I am actually using my rifles for...they didn't make much sense. If I were fast ropping into an LZ and taking out Drug Lords from 1000 yards I might feel differently.

If I were going to get something other than a Leupold Mark 4, as in more expensive, I would keep saving for a US Optics scope. I like them much more than Night Force.

Then again, his budget nicely allows for the Night Force, and if he has his heart set on spending of his budgeted amount that is fine. It is his rifle, and he needs to get the scope he will be most happy with.

Bear in mind however that he is going to need taller rings as well. Something it does not sound like he is taking into account. I doubt LOW height rings are going to work with a 50mm or 56mm front objective. Not if he has a thick diamater barrel. A decent set of rings can run you $100-150 right there.

Depending on ones requirements, Leupold may be just fine. When precise, repeatable adjustments, returning to zero, no backlash anywhere, straight reticles, etc. are important to someone, Leupold fails to deliver. You might luck out with a good one, but its not the norm...especially within the last 3 years.

OP-good choice on the scope. You'll be happy.