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View Poll Results: Which of the following best summarizes your plans for the CMP 1911 Lottery?
I will enter the lottery and see the value in these historic 1911's 39 32.77%
I was interested, but the prices are too high overall 38 31.93%
I was interested but the re-parked mixmaster condition makes them uncollectible 19 15.97%
I was never interested-would rather buy 200 lbs of bacon than spend $1000 these rattle-cans 26 21.85%
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Sorry man, its just a pet peeve of mine that so many people are clueless about the CRPA. Its really a great organization. Glad you joined. I apologize for the snarkiness.
No worries, I totally understand. Thanks for getting the word out.
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I submitted a package for this. If I'm lucky enough to get chosen, I plan on buying one strictly as a collector's item. Yeah, it may not be "collector's grade" but at least I'll have a genuine USGI 1911 in my collection.

For a shooter 1911, I'll probably just pick up a Springfield 1911-A1 "Mil Spec" and add the grips like Garandimal did above. That looks pretty sweet!
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Package went out today.

We’ll see...good luck to everyone who’s entered!!
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Put mine in the mail today.
Would like to thank all the folks that made mistakes in filling out the forms.
Made it much easer to double check and make sure the package I sent will not go to the shredder
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Sort of tempted to send in for one. Think I'll see what you guys get first before committing. Happy to say I have one already.. I just can't imagine what you non-USGI 1911 possessors are going through... haha
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Easy to jump in as I had all the requirements and then some.
It'll be fun, and once you're "entered" you're good for next year
if no joy this time. Assuming they get more which I would bet they will.
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Sort of tempted to send in for one. Think I'll see what you guys get first before committing. Happy to say I have one already.. I just can't imagine what you non-USGI 1911 possessors are going through... haha
"Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO 4 September 2018 and NOT AFTER 4 October 2018."


There will not be another order period. This is it.
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Great piece of history. Hope those that applied end up getting one.
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I'll help you guys out.

I was going to apply and try to get one, but money is tight and these guns are now out of my price range. So, even though I filled out all of the paperwork, I am not going to send it in.

Good luck to the ones who did apply! Be sure to post up pictures.
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I just can't imagine what you non-USGI 1911 possessors are going through... haha
Definitely not sadness over not buying a $1000 government surplus pistol.
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Definitely not sadness over not buying a $1000 government surplus pistol.
Yeah, Im just going through my day as usual.
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Definitely not sadness over not buying a $1000 government surplus pistol.
I can think of better things to spend 1,000 dollars on. I like my Springfield milspec 1911 just fine.
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I can think of better things to spend 1,000 dollars on. I like my Springfield milspec 1911 just fine.
I have enough guns... for now. But I always need more ammo so $1,000 of ammo is a better choice for me to spend money on.
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It amazes me how so many are just looking at these as simply shooters, they are not being sold as such, Of course a new production is going to be cheaper.
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"Orders must be postmarked NOT PRIOR TO 4 September 2018 and NOT AFTER 4 October 2018."

There will not be another order period. This is it.
Not true.

This is from the CMP's website:
"While the National Defense Authorization Act granted transfer of a maximum of 10,000 1911s per year to the CMP, the Secretary of the Army allowed only 8,000 1911s to be transferred to the CMP for sale and distribution this fiscal year. Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned. The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.

The CMP does not know what next year’s allotment might be."


Sounds like there is a very good chance of more being offered in the next fiscal year.
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Saw this on the CMP 1911 forum:

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Everyone disregard the 5 Oct. 18 date for the random numbers generator. We will give mail service (UPS, FED EX & Carrier pigeon) a few days to deliver any mis-routed mail. We will ONLY ACCEPT mail post marked Oct. 4th and before. If it is post marked Oct. 5th and beyond it will be rejected. Once we believe we have received all acceptable post marked mail we will enter everyone into the numbers generator.

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When did the CMP say that they were gonna start selecting who gets the first batch of M1911s via RNG? My packet is postmarked between the September 4th and October 4th cutoff, so I should be in the running. Just want to make sure I don't miss any emails or notifications.
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When did the CMP say that they were gonna start selecting who gets the first batch of M1911s via RNG? My packet is postmarked between the September 4th and October 4th cutoff, so I should be in the running. Just want to make sure I don't miss any emails or notifications.
See my quote from the forum above. CMP doesn’t know when, and doesn’t want people to email/call asking haha!!...they’ve got to wait a few business days for any 10/04 postmarks to get delivered.

My guess is sometime late next week or the week after.

They did say that their intention is to notify everyone who submitted a complete package what number they got assigned by the RNG.
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See my quote from the forum above. CMP doesn’t know when, and doesn’t want people to email/call asking haha!!...they’ve got to wait a few business days for any 10/04 postmarks to get delivered.



My guess is sometime late next week or the week after.



They did say that their intention is to notify everyone who submitted a complete package what number they got assigned by the RNG.

Was this ever clarified by the CMP? According to the details about the 1911 ordering process the info below was posted on their site:

“6. CMP will stop accepting orders at the end of business on 4 October 2018. Customer’s names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator. The sequenced order for customers will be established and each time CMP receives 1911s, customer orders will be filled in the originally established sequence. No one will be allowed to repeat purchase until all orders are filled.”

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They are running the number generator tomorrow. If it didn't get there today you are out of luck.

We'll see what happens.
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Not true.

This is from the CMP's website:
"While the National Defense Authorization Act granted transfer of a maximum of 10,000 1911s per year to the CMP, the Secretary of the Army allowed only 8,000 1911s to be transferred to the CMP for sale and distribution this fiscal year. Some of those are anticipated to be unusual and worthy of being auctioned. The remaining number will be sold based on a computerized Random Number Generator.

The CMP does not know what next year’s allotment might be."


Sounds like there is a very good chance of more being offered in the next fiscal year.
Yes but I believe there will be no longer any new packet submission windows. I think I heard that on a podcast that was interviewing one of the CMP guys.
From what I understand, if you didn't get your packet in this time, that's it. Unless they run out of buyers from this packet window. Which I don't see happening.

The "postmarked by" I cut and pasted from their website. So now not sure if postmark or actual delivery date. Confused.
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Lots of speculation here. Here is mine:

Sounds to me that that they are not likely running the random number tomorrow as they are honoring packets postmarked by today and they will take time to arrive.

I also am a bit skeptical they will tell us our numbers because CMP1911 has stated on the CMP Forum that they are not opening the envelopes at all - just marking numbers on the outside until they are ready to take an order - so there is no way they know your email address at this point to notify you.
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Was this ever clarified by the CMP? According to the details about the 1911 ordering process the info below was posted on their site:

“6. CMP will stop accepting orders at the end of business on 4 October 2018. Customer’s names will be loaded into the Random Number Generator. The sequenced order for customers will be established and each time CMP receives 1911s, customer orders will be filled in the originally established sequence. No one will be allowed to repeat purchase until all orders are filled.”

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/
That info was from the Admin at the CMP 1911 forum, and it makes sense. If they accept postmarks up to the 4th, then they need to allow for those applications mailed on the 4th time to get to Alabama.

ETA: http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=234917
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"Pistols are not listed by manufacture in our A&D book. Most appear to be true mix masters, colt serial number frame with Remington Rand slide as an example. We have inspected about 500 so far."


That leaves like 7500 more to inspect.
So this is going to take a while.
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Yes but I believe there will be no longer any new packet submission windows. I think I heard that on a podcast that was interviewing one of the CMP guys.
From what I understand, if you didn't get your packet in this time, that's it. Unless they run out of buyers from this packet window. Which I don't see happening.

The "postmarked by" I cut and pasted from their website. So now not sure if postmark or actual delivery date. Confused.
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"Pistols are not listed by manufacture in our A&D book. Most appear to be true mix masters, colt serial number frame with Remington Rand slide as an example. We have inspected about 500 so far."


That leaves like 7500 more to inspect.
So this is going to take a while.

I suspected this was going to be the norm for these pistols due to the fact they were refurbished and stored. Mix of parts and slides would be normal with slides and barrels from the 60 - 80's time frame being common. This was the main reason that I passed on these pistols.
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http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=235063

"Disregard the Oct. 5th date about the RNG.

We are allowing the mail services, USPS, Fed Ex, UPS, Carrier Pigeon & Pony Express, to deliver all packets post marked on 4th Oct. We will allow a few days, once all packets have been assigned a number(this will also take a few days) we will enter the numbers into the RNG which will then assign a number to each packet. Once all packets have their assigned RNG number, we will start the processing of the packets. As each packet has to be check for correction/completion before we can notify anyone, this will also take time. My guessimate is at least 30 days before anyone is notified. I may be wrong, and hope I am. Everyone MUST bear with us as this is a first for us also.


DO NOT CALL or EMAIL ASKING WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS All this does is slow us down and upsets you. We have already had one person demanding to know his number. I WILL NOT TOLORATE ANYONE BEING RUDE/UGLY AND CUSSING AT OUR STAFF (this does not include me of course). That person's packet has been thrown away.
We understand everyone wants to know their number and we will work as fast as we can.
As we did with the early submission packets, we will try to notify those that packets were not accepted. This will be after those that were accepted are notified.
At this time we have over 17,000+ packets."



So given 8000 pistols. Odds are pretty good for all.

If more next year all should get one.

I'm thinking they will open up an order window again if each year they get similar numbers of pistols. Though this first batch is supposed to be the best examples.
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I love the comments from those that think they are going to get a real USGI 1911/1911-A1 for less than the CMP is going to ask for these, talk about delusional.

The provenance of having a genuine CMP gun will, in some manner, offset the fact that the lottery guns are going to be mixmasters. The auction guns from the museums are no doubt going to be pricey and I am sure that they will command a suitable premium on the secondary market when eventually they start to appear.

As I said in an earlier post, if you are happy with your commercial clone, if kind-sorta close is good enough, then good for you. Personally I would rather have a real USGI 1911 than a dozen Springfields/AO's or whatever other parkerized copies are out there, (unless, of course, I could immediately sell them and get the real deal).

I already have a few US Property marked 1911/1911-A1's and so have no interest a lottery gun, but I might be interested in one of the museum guns if I can swing the $.







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I agree with highpower. People comparing these to a new similarly priced Springfield Loaded, Kimber, RIA, Ruger, SIG, Smith, Kahr, Colt... whatever brand 1911 are really off the mark.

If just having a 1911, any 1911, these guns are not for you. That's probably why the thread was posted in the Curio & Relic forum, and not the general handgun forum apt to compare Glocks against RIA 1911s.

These have their collectability and no, are not your best bet for comparison to a new, over the counter clone. I think making that comparison is just silly.

That IS just comedy.

$1,000 for a mixed-numbers/mixed-parts/mixed-years refinished CMP 1911 as a genuine lineage of a USGI gun is what it's about. That is exactly about what you will pay right now for a re-parked/parts-gun original Colt 1911 in good shape. On top of that, you get some of the best forged frames ever made, so that alone is not too shabby.

Being CMP guns, having that history, they will hold their value and I don't think they will hurt the value of existing guns on the market, even if mixmasters. If anything, CMP setting the price-bar at $1,000 will lend itself to people saying "well I got one like that" and where they would have asked only $750, will not automatically bump their price to $1,000 - or higher.

Additionally, the more the merrier, but that only drives interest. The release of these will be similar to any marketing awareness of a certain gun through Hollywood, or a movie-character, or some other trending must-have, and this will re-popularize the USGI 1911 for what it is.

Whether that's Harry with his Model 29, or some zombie-killer with a Colt Python, a pastel-adorned 1980s metrosexual Miami detective with a Bren-10, or an Austrian-accented jackass with a Desert Eagle or Winchester 1887.

Yet, my verdict on them is simple; I'm not interested. I think they are a good buy for a beginner or as an extra, but I would rather take that $1,000 and apply it toward a $4,000 to $6,000 good original-finish matching numbers USGI on a good deal, as a collector gun.

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I suspected this was going to be the norm for these pistols due to the fact they were refurbished and stored. Mix of parts and slides would be normal with slides and barrels from the 60 - 80's time frame being common. This was the main reason that I passed on these pistols.
Or refurbed and not stored, but instead used. From that same thread:

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During my first tour in Vietnam (1966) I took a 1911A1 off a dead Viet Cong, not sure if I sent him to the “big rice paddy” in the sky or my buddy did. Nor do I know where this VC got the weapon…but I can tell you it came off a U.S. Soldier. I continued to carry this 1911A1 for three tours in Vietnam, and it came home with me, I still have it. The reason for me telling this part of my history is, this 1911A1 is a mix master, Colt frame, Remington slide.
Like the M1 Carbine frenzy a couple of years ago, I submitted my packet with all the required paperwork, sat back and waited to hear if I would be one of the chosen ones. Near the end, to my surprise I got a really nice rack grade Quality Hardware carbine. I did the same with the 1911s that CMP will soon release…if I get one GREAT, if not, OH WELL, it was fun playing the lottery.
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These pistols are coming from US military inventory. Coming from CMP, they have provenance. Any military arms collector sitting this one out - is missing out.

You could spend a lot more for a humped up fake. Plenty of people have and plenty more will. There may be few chances in this life to get a pistol that you know with certainty is coming directly from US military inventory. $1000 for such a pistol, especially one as iconic as the 1911, is a no-brainer.
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You could spend a lot more for a humped up fake. There will be few chances to get a pistol that you know with certainty is coming from military inventory,
Exactly, and the CMP paperwork to back that up is invaluable.

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These 1911 are a piece of American history itself.
I know what I'm paying for.
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4 - $1000 for these is just silly IMO.
That is the price of a brand new Springfield Loaded 1911. That is just comedy.
Thats about $200 over a Springfield Loaded!
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I was going to send in a packet but I stumbled upon a C96 Red 9 and blew my gun funds for the rest of the year. If there is another lottery next year, I'll give it a shot.
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Election Day update from the CMP:

1911 Update – November 6th

Our Random Number Generator (RNG) has selected random numbers for all the packets received. We are working on assigning those random numbers to the 19,000 packets we have received. This will take some time – PLEASE BE PATIENT! It may take 30-60 days to inform you of your random number. Please DO NOT CONTACT US ASKING WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS.
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Has the CMP stated what happens to those who sent packets but do not get a 1911 this first round? Will they be kept for the next round (if there is one)?
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Has the CMP stated what happens to those who sent packets but do not get a 1911 this first round? Will they be kept for the next round (if there is one)?
Yes and yes
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