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C&R 03-FFL + COE Privileges in 2019 California
Sorry to use the word "privilege" to represent the right we should have. Anyway, I can't find a clear list of all current valid privileges for 03-FFL + COE holder in California. These are some information here and there but most of them were posted quite long ago. Since the gun law changes so frequently these years, those posts may base on old law and not be valid now. Here I would like to have a summary and see if I miss something. Hopefully, this will also benefit people who are new and have spent $100+ to get 03-FFL + COE.
1. Purchase Ammo * Purchase ammo online and ship to door * Purchase ammo out of state and transport to CA 2. Purchase C&R long gun in-state from a non-licensees * No need to go thru 01-FFL DROS, report within 30 days of possession 3. Purchase C&R long gun or C&R handgun out state and transport to CA * No need to go thru 01-FFL DROS, report within 5 days of transporting 4. Purchase C&R long gun or C&R handgun from in-state 01-FFL * DROS, with no 10 days waiting period 5. Purchase C&R handgun or modern handgun from in-state 01-FFL * DROS, with no 1 in 30 days limitation 6. Discount from online retailers, such as Brownells, Numrich, Century etc --Please correct me if my understanding is wrong, or anything is missing. Thanks!
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6). Discounted pricing from Brownells, Numrich, Century and others
And at Brownells you can stack their coupon codes onto your already discounted pricing. Last edited by SkyHawk; 12-09-2018 at 11:14 AM.. |
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You are exempt from the one in thirty on ALL purchases. The law is clearly written this way but CA DOJ hated it, so they just stopped allowing it. They got sued, they lost, and now you can buy as many handguns at a time as your bank account allows. The law clearly says you must have an (as in any) FFL and COE for 1 in 30 exemption.
It would have been nice had this been in place during the SSE days, but oh well. NOTE: If you buy more than one in 30, the way the system is set up you have to have the dealer select C&R FFL/COE exempt to buy more than one modern handgun every 30 days. The way the DOJ "fixed" the system will also tell the dealer to go ahead and deliver the handguns. If they are modern, my understanding is that they still have to stay there for 240 hours. I leave them for 10 days at the dealer even though the CA DOJ DROS system says to release them. Last edited by John Browning; 12-09-2018 at 11:50 AM.. |
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Purchase ammunition out of state and physically transport back into state.
This is my primary consideration in pursuing C&R and COE, so if I'm wrong someone please correct me. I routinely travel to AZ and NV, and sometimes ammo is much cheaper/more available. |
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Nope, you're right.
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The upside to this is that when you send in a form you get to wait nervously for up to six months while the CA DOJ hopefully processes and returns the registration to you. I hate that. You know that processing it at an 01 you are all registered and GTG. |
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Last time I checked it was ok to have CA resident non-licensee ship directly to CA resident FFL03 within CA? Did this change? Or is it now nebulous?
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A benefit also is that you can use the fact you are a collector with valuable firearms and when you purchase you give your info to at times to members of the general population. This could help with CCW justification.
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Thanks for the list.
I just applied for the FFL-03 & COE.
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But usually, you need to pay a transfer fee or handling fee to the 01 in additional to the $25 DROS.
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And tax
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Thank you!
I just got my COE/FFL03, and was doing the research to start almost this exact thread.
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Many private parties are so confused that they think they must ship their gun from an FFL to an FFL. Wrong, as long as it is shipped TO a valid FFL. Many CA FFLs will not accept a gun shipped directly by a private party. Also wrong. Some private party sellers don't trust themselves to safely pack a gun for shipping, so they go to the local gun shop to have it packed and shipped. Not necessary, but convenient. I am not an 01-FFL so not sure about this next point, but I think that if all the shipping 01 is doing is packing and shipping as a service to the customer, then he does not have to log the gun because he is not selling or transferring it. But if the receiving FFL in CA sees that the gun came from another FFL, he probably automatically presumes that the gun was sold by that FFL, and is thus taxable under the CA DOJ rules. I will note at this point that the CA State Board of Equalization makes the rules on sales and use tax, and they do not require the collection of tax at the point of transfer if the transferring FFL has no part of the actual sale. The DOJ seems to have taken it upon itself to impose this "rule" on transferring FFLs, even though it is not part of the CA BOE official regulations. The FFLs go along with this arbitrary rule from DOJ because none of them can afford to defend a suit against the DOJ. I will also note that this tax at the point of transfer arose out of an opinion letter issued by Carmen Trutanich before he became, for one term, the City Attorney for Los Angeles. He was at that point a lawyer in private practice, not any kind of government employee or official, so his opinion was just his opinion with no regulatory or legal authority behind it. The DOJ started waving this letter at the FFLs and they almost **** their pants trying to comply with an arbitrary new rule. I have/had (can't find it now) a copy of the Trutanich letter, on his letterhead and apparently signed by him personally. I had occasion to ask him directly about his logic in issuing such a bogus opinion and he denied writing the letter, in a live conversation with me. All he could come up with was the lame argument that it must have been written by a junior associate.
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These privileges are great in theory but realistically you will still have limitations and obstacles. Many retailers and private sellers won't care or know about exemptions and will refuse you out of caution and fear so keep that in mind if you don't already have a C&R and are considering one. Just be prepared for uphill struggles
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I gladly sell and ship directly to a ffl 03/coe buyers doorstep
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On this tax issue. Here's a thought... My background. I have a non-gun online biz, and don't charge CA sale tax on CA sales, but do pay on the CA gross sales at year end. Without getting into a great debate. Since the FFL/DROS dealer also pays sales tax based on gross sales, and does not make a sale, where does the sales tax go?? Does it go into the dealers pocket?? Could a dealer please explain how the tax is handled on their books??
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The way that CA law is written, the penalty is on the head of the person receiving the firearm. Reportedly, the CMP will also ship to FFL03 but that doesn't make it legal for the FFL03 holder in CA. Sent from my E6810 using Tapatalk
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Here's a question that I have not seen answered before...
I was at the Big Show in Reno and there was a seller from California renting a table there. He had a C&R handgun I was looking at and said I could cash and carry (I have a 03FFL). I didn't know if that was true so I didn't buy it. So here's the question: Can a buyer and seller who both live in California and both have 03FFLs go to Nevada and do a direct sale of a handgun without going through a 01FFL? |
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Remember CA law only applies in CA. Now if both parties are CA residents and meet out of state I'm not sure... But I believe it would still be a legal sale Federally and since it's not in CA, CA law would not apply. The above scenario would then apply and require the buyer to send in the required papers and fees to CA DOJ.
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For the 1-in-30 exemption, there are two documents which are sometimes useful in helping the FFL along the decision-making process:
Superior Court Ruling with Third Appellate Court Ruling OAG DES Notice of May 2018 explaining approval.
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Not directly, only through a 01 FFL. At least that is the case if the seller is a CA resident.
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In addition, if 03FFL+COE holder buys a C&R long gun from non-licensee, is there any document/paperwork need to be passed to/from the licensee or sign something somewhere?
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You are required to record who the gun came from in your bound book. |
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It depends. If the C&R firearm is from a private party and an occasional sale, and the buyer has a C&R FFL, then it isn't subject to sales tax if it is documented. Quote:
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Handguns can actually be cheaper to ship through a FFL dealer since a dealer can ship a handgun USPS, whereas non-dealers can not. USPS rates, depending on service and distance, can be from around $5 to around $20, not including insurance. Incorrect. A C&R FFL holder can go out of state and acquire a C&R handgun and bring it in. See CA PC 27585 and 27565. A CA PPT is only possible if both buyer and seller are CA residents.
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Not from a seller in another state if your license address is in California.
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Does anybody know, starting from July 1st, 2019, whether
1. Purchase Ammo * Purchase ammo online and ship to door * Purchase ammo out of state and transport to CA is still valid according to Prop-63?
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