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Old 07-16-2018, 9:14 AM
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Default How do I maintain authority over my security force after SHTF?

Interesting problem for the billionaire prepper (yes that's a real thing).

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Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”

The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus...

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers — if that technology could be developed in time.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/11/surv...us-behind.html
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Old 07-16-2018, 9:19 AM
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The short answer is you don't. Just because your a billionaire does not mean you are the most qualified to lead any group of people after a major event. What are your crisis management skills? What are your military leadership skills? What do you have that would make people follow you once your money means nothing? If you establish some type of control system, people will find a way to subvert it eventually, especially if you are a horrible natural leader or show yourself to be horribly equipped to lead in a SHTF scenario.
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This place just jumped off the silly cliff.
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I think the best person to ask this question is Negan.
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I think the reality during even a complete shtf situation is that people remain hopeful that things will return to normal eventually because that's what's happened many times in the past, and even more so in our modern past.

So a billionaire might be smart to hire religious people who believe strongly in doing the right thing / keeping their word and his security team have a strong hope muscle because that billionaire is going to have to be telling some mighty good Stories about how his security team will all rolling in gold, women and alcohol ( or converts to their religion of choice and multiple brides, if that's how they roll.) when eventually things get back to normal after that first year or so.

Nevermind the first year actually, the first 3 months would be a challenge.


I personally like to think that normally we wouldn't have shtf events take that long before some other State, country or anyone came along and gave the desperate a hand up but maybe they might take advantage of the situation when we are weak.

The reality is however something like a very large asteroid hitting the planet is possible, even if it's unlikely to be a planet killer, it still may sting for a while.

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If you have a paid security force then there must be a significant incentive of some sort that can be controlled by you and will be enough to keep them in the game. This might mean keeping their families as part of your collective retreat to further incentivize their efforts, or it could be a large monetary reward when society returns to a norm (think gold bars in a far away bank?). The Billionaire will likely not be the leader of his security operations.
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This place just jumped off the silly cliff.
Did you even check the link? It's an article on CNBC. Those are real billionaires in charge of real Wall Street investment banks who built those bunkers and who are asking this question to the famous futurist guy/college professor they hired.
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If you have a paid security force then there must be a significant incentive of some sort that can be controlled by you and will be enough to keep them in the game. This might mean keeping their families as part of your collective retreat to further incentivize their efforts, or it could be a large monetary reward when society returns to a norm (think gold bars in a far away bank?). The Billionaire will likely not be the leader of his security operations.
I agree with you.
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Did you even check the link? It's an article on CNBC. Those are real billionaires in charge of real Wall Street investment banks who built those bunkers and who are asking this question to the famous futurist guy/college professor they hired.
Silly people with a boat load of money are still silly.
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You won't. At least not the ones witb any family.

I don't care how much you pay me.......I am ditching you so I can go protect my family.

You gonna house my family too? That's what it would take. So I guess that is the answer.

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You have to be a leader....that includes being bad @ss enough to be the boss and physically assert that leadership if need be.

He is right in thinking that if things go sideways, and there is no law, Violence will be the order of the day. And if you are not able to meet that violence with greater violence of action....you are done.

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New world, new rules and money has no value.

The Alpha Male will emerge and the rest will blindly follow.

The Laws of Nature are immutable no matter what homo sapien thinks or does.
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whoever controls the food, fuel and supplies controls the people that need them to survive.

who run bartertown?
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build robots as guards. WTF...talk about jumping off the silly cliff. it sounds like a child imaginations
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Interesting problem for the billionaire prepper (yes that's a real thing).

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Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”

The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus...
Buy your own island (that's what Larry Ellison did.)

Have the boss choose your security crew very selectively, people with limited family.

Then stock deep, invite the girlfriends if needed, make it so everyone has a vested interest in coming out the other side alive. And be prepared to reward others when the problems end... (Note girl friends would also need to be screened.)

(I assume that material costs to support such operations are negligible compared to total wealth.)
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Every dictator in the history had this problem. The answer is a ruthless, efficient Praetorian Guard that offers unquestioning loyalty in exchange for exceptional privilege and position. This "elite force" is used to police the regular forces.

Roman Emperors = Praetorian Guard
Hitler = SS
Stalin = NKVD
Mao = Red Guards
Imperial Japan WW2 = Kenpeitai
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The Alpha Male will emerge and the rest will blindly follow.
Four other possibilities: (1) intelligent analysis results in the judgement that following A would be the best course; (2) coercion from other followers of A; (3) A is too distasteful, so potential followers break from the group; (4) as (3), except another candidate B suits the group better, so B and followers attempt to evict A and followers from the group.
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Hold their families hostage separately but safe. Oops, I said it.
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Easy.

Two main compounds. One interior to the other. The outer compound area has the guards. Their job, if they want to eat well and have the amenities, protect the entire compound. Inner compound is where the rich dick lives and is essentially inaccessible from the outside compound (or world). He pays the guards with meals and booze, they protect the place. Any unrest or aggression toward the rich dick result in rations for those participating being eliminated and distributed to the other, loyal guards. Basically, loyalty pays.

Personally I'm gonna take over my neighborhood, blow up whatever I have to around the perimeter to make it impassable and relax on my rooftop hide. Eating steak, eggs, coffee and booze...eat it suckers!!!



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In Kali, bad juju could happen in a blink.
To me, it's the luck of the draw. Biblical, if you will
It's either total, apocalypse, or a bump in the road.
Worst case but survivable, you have to last 1 growing season.
You have to be hooked up in ag production, which in Kali, is year round.
Stores of food are essential for X days, but will exhaust.
Bulk nut stores are vast, with tonnage from Bakersfield to Chico.
Same with beans & rice.
The first real likely hood is that ALL water supply will sever to the metro areas, as collateral damage to the systems occur.
You need a crew that money can't buy, but couldn't hurt to have a stash pile. PAX
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