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Old 11-04-2019, 11:43 AM
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Does it matter if the school is no longer in session? ie can I have it if Im working at a school at night when nobody is there? What about if the school is being built, new construction. Just wondering. I have to work night shift this week and we are doing some electrical work at a high school that is in a really bad area.
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Old 11-04-2019, 11:56 AM
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There is no distinction in either federal law or California law, between the school being in session or not. I wouldn't risk it.
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Old 11-04-2019, 12:35 PM
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There is no distinction in either federal law or California law, between the school being in session or not. I wouldn't risk it.
This. It dictates school property, so no go to CCW in CA.
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Old 11-04-2019, 2:02 PM
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Not the same, but I work in a building with security and right now the building is being remodeled, mostly at night and on weekends. The owner has to provide security as long as anyone is in the building, so they have an FPS team there whenever it's closed but workers are present. Maybe the school could have one or two of their resource officers, or whatever they're called, pull a shift while you're there after hours? At least then you'd have someone watching your back and wouldn't need to look over your shoulder every 15 seconds. Just a thought. Oh, do resource officers in California carry? I probably should have asked that first.
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Old 11-05-2019, 7:55 PM
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Does it matter if the school is no longer in session? ie can I have it if Im working at a school at night when nobody is there? What about if the school is being built, new construction. Just wondering. I have to work night shift this week and we are doing some electrical work at a high school that is in a really bad area.
It does not matter if the school is in sesssion or not, it is still in effect.

Therefore, while on school property...
Handgun needs to be unloaded and in a locked container [PC 626.9(c)(2)], that is hidden from plain sight in the vehicle or in the vehicle's trunk [PC 25140(a)].
Ammo needs to be in a locked container inside a vehicle. [PC 30310(b)(10)]
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Old 11-05-2019, 8:20 PM
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Concealed means concealed. That is if you choose to take your firearm.

Think of it this way. Something does go sideways and you end up saving your life or the life of a coworker. You are then stripped of your CCW and become a felon. So your life is saved but your rights are taken away. Tough choice but only one you can make.
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Old 11-07-2019, 8:54 AM
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Concealed means concealed. That is if you choose to take your firearm.

Think of it this way. Something does go sideways and you end up saving your life or the life of a coworker. You are then stripped of your CCW and become a felon. So your life is saved but your rights are taken away. Tough choice but only one you can make.
How is that a tough choice?
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Old 11-09-2019, 6:21 PM
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It does not matter if the school is in sesssion or not, it is still in effect.

Therefore, while on school property...
Handgun needs to be unloaded and in a locked container [PC 626.9(c)(2)], that is hidden from plain sight in the vehicle or in the vehicle's trunk [PC 25140(a)].
Ammo needs to be in a locked container inside a vehicle. [PC 30310(b)(10)]
Guessing the same locked container for both would be okay?
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School property is school property/zone 24/7 365.
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What about an abandoned school? Like, a school district closed a school and no longer use it as a school or anything else but they still own it?

What about school district property NOT on the grounds of any school--- bus barn, admin offices, etc.? Probably prohibited under the rules of a school district but is it by law?
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What about an abandoned school? Like, a school district closed a school and no longer use it as a school or anything else but they still own it?

What about school district property NOT on the grounds of any school--- bus barn, admin offices, etc.? Probably prohibited under the rules of a school district but is it by law?
Here's what PC 626.9 says
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(e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall apply:

(1) “Concealed firearm” has the same meaning as that term is given in Sections 25400 and 25610.

(2) “Firearm” has the same meaning as that term is given in subdivisions (a) to (d), inclusive, of Section 16520.

(3) “Locked container” has the same meaning as that term is given in Section 16850.

(4) “School zone” means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of the public or private school.

(f) (1) A person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a firearm in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, shall be punished by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for two, three, or five years.

(2) A person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, shall be punished as follows:
A property not providing instruction - 'no longer a school' or 'never was a school', as offices, seems to be excluded.

Note that the law does not say "while" providing instruction, so the 24/7/365 exclusion does seem to apply.
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Old 11-14-2019, 7:14 PM
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Here's what PC 626.9 says

A property not providing instruction - 'no longer a school' or 'never was a school', as offices, seems to be excluded.

Note that the law does not say "while" providing instruction, so the 24/7/365 exclusion does seem to apply.
Do universities and colleges have same restrictions as school zone?
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Do universities and colleges have same restrictions as school zone?
No 1000' zone for college/university. [PC 626.9(e)(4)]

Not legal to bring or possess a loaded firearm on college/university property, unless the person is exempt or has written permission from the college/university president/dean or their designated representative. [PC 626.9(h)]

Not legal to bring or possess an unloaded firearm on college/university property, unless the person is exempt or has written permission from the college/university president/dean or their designated representative. [PC 626.9(i)]
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Zero tolerance for guns in CA public schools. Don’t risk it. If something does happen, go with plan save ***. Jump out the window and run like a bastard.
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