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I don't quite get that since the CA DOJ said to use the C&R DROS for modern firearms for collectors, so the system doesn't know it isn't a C&R.
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X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
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PC 31700.
(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned a firearm that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the department pursuant to Section 26710. Defiantly not just just C&R 'transactions" exempted.
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The FSC issue is interesting since if they get a C&R and a modern firearm, you have to be careful, but that is also the fault of the CA DOJ for having it submitted incorrectly.
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Well that didn't take long.. .
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What I’m getting at is the stystem May not know it’s not a C&R but when they inspect, the law doesn’t say you can use a C&R exemption for FSC on modern guns. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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True, you would need to keep a copy of the FSC for the records. This would only be a problem if there are both types of firearms sold (C&R and modern). Otherwise you would have to do the safety demo on a C&R when the person is actually exempt from that.
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I just write in the FSC number on the printout and keep a copy of the card.
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#129
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1/30 C&R AND COE HOLDERS for MODERN firearms
Why wouldn’t you just put the FSC number in the field rather than writing it in and risk the DOJ saying you did it wrong.
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You can't change it in-between DROS. If you don't use the exemption then you need the safety demo. It is better to use the exemption and then for the non-C&R have the safety demo paperwork.
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My point. If the guy buys a Mauser and a glock you put the FSC and do safe handling affidavit. If you put the FSC EXEMPTION then the DOJ can ding you for using an exemption on a modern gun (even if you have the FSC in the packet I bet they will say you wrote it up wrong).
Just my opinion. I sell thousands of C&Rs a year so it’s my specialty. We have a auction today by the way you should check it out. Cwocauctions.com Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Cross it out on the DROS and then put the FSC number on the printout. It isn't our fault that they are having us do it that way and they don't let us change it, but we can change the 4 yes/no questions, as if the person might commit a crime in between submitting the DROS.
I don't think it is a big deal as long as you do the right thing. They know there are problems with the system.
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Ask them to read the bulletin. Often it seems one person reads it and the rest don't get the message.
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There's a lot of info in the FFL forum about the 1in30 exemption. I just copied and printed all the howto stuff that seemed important plus a copy of the bulletin.. that they should have received..., and took it to my FFL1. It was a learning curve but we made it through in fairly short order. One thing that's confusing is by having to use the C&R section in the end it also states that you can deliver the gun right away and not have to wait the 10 days, but it doesn't specifically say that anywhere in writing. So even tho it says it's OK, leave it for the 10 days as the jury is still out on that part??
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You think the DOJ will fix the issues with the DES? I doubt it.
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"we don't expect any issues with the DES at this time" - Department of Justice via their webinar. Sounds a lot like "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor"
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I don't think that they can fix it due to many issues, one is regarding the employee who works on it and not being able to control him, plus it is hard to get changes approved.
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Among other measures Brown has vetoed are: Assembly Bill 1927, ...... Senate Bill 1177, from Portantino, which would have prohibited most Californians from applying to buy more than one firearm in a 30-day period. The state already limits handgun purchases to one every 30 days. A similar proposal was vetoed in 2016 by Brown, who said then that it “would have the effect of burdening lawful citizens who wish to sell certain firearms that they no longer need.” Assembly Bill 1903, ..... https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics...218986670.html |
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