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Old 11-26-2019, 6:33 PM
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Yup, lots of different motivations and objectives in reloading. No such thing as one size fits all solutions.

I just like getting the most life out of my most expensive brass.

Belted magnums are a different beast.
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Old 11-26-2019, 8:56 PM
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I shot belted magnums for 10 years in NBRSA 600/1000 yard competition with Lou Murdica and Gary Child's from Bryan's video and Thomas Speedy Gonzales from the video built one of my heavy guns.
The problem with the belted magnums is you need your own reamer and then have a custom die made to properly fit your chamber. The headspace allowable variation on a 300 Ackley which is just the 300 Weatherby with the double radiused shoulder replaced with a 40 degree and less body taper can be 0.022
Most modern full length dies oversize the shoulder area on the brass and you lose Gilt edge accuracy. They also tend to undersize the web area.
If you swap gunsmiths you will often find that your brass no longer fits or is now way too small even if you supplied the same reamer.
I would lose the primer pockets on Norma brass after 4 firings so I switched to RWS which weighed 78 grains heavier than Norma.
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Old 11-26-2019, 10:34 PM
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If you read your own post it answers your question.
And neck sizing is alive and well for those who can do it properly.
Precision shooters and F-Class isn't about the smallest group so they don't need to load to benchrest levels.
And in case you don't see it barrels have gotten better and the shooters in precision rifle and F-Class arer now using what the Benchrest crowd used before 2010.
6 Dasher with Vapor Trail Bullets formerly Clay Spencer bullets is what I was using in 2008.
I'm sorry, but we're not that far behind the times. 2010? Seriously? Fellow F-Class shooters are winning BR matches and their reloading practices do not change. More F-Class shooters are shooting consistent 200 scores (to people who do not know what this means, it is 20 consecutive shots into a 10 inch circle at 1,000 yards). In 2018, someone shot a 200-22X at the Nationals. That is 22 consecutive shots into a 5-inch ring at 1,000 yards. In Open division, someone dropped 3 points for the entire match over a 3 day shooting period and 120 shots. That means 117 of the 120 shots in the 10 ring or better. To me, that is impressive.

No one winning consistently in LR F-CLass is shooting a 6 Dasher. It is too much work to navigate a 3-4 minute string and 103s or 105s.

Barrels? Well, barrels have sort of gotten better. The same machines making barrels in WW2 are still making them now. Yes, some improvements have been made such as groove design and more consistent metallugy, but what has progressed the sport is people (and I will admit this came from the BR world) are using newer barrels in big matches or at minimum and are more critical of the barrels. I have sold numerous barrels where the round count was in the 300s because the barrel just does not shoot as expected. IMO, with a known good bullet and known good components, if a barrel does not shoot well, it is a waste of time trying to get it to shoot.
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I shot with Jerry Tierney and Ed Eckhoff Gary Child's Pete White and many others for many years before you got in the game so I am familiar with what is going on in F-Class.
The newest annealing is more consistent and barrels with twist rates held to multiple decimals are now available if you know of Tracy Bartlein. Custom bullets we're the norm in benchrest since way prior to 2010 as Sierra Hornady and Berger don't win many benchrest matches. Just the facts. And for the guy just starting out full length dies will keep you out of sticky brass problems but they introduce there own problems which is why the AMP annealer is now available. 5 inch groups at 1000 yards won't get you anything at a benchrest match you need sub sub MOA to set a record or come close.
Good luck with your shooting.
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