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Old 01-20-2014, 4:22 AM
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I went on ammo bros webpage and saw this on there featured products...Ain't that a crock. I'm soooo glad I bought 2 of them from Wal-Mart a week before Sandy hook. They were $25+tax then. I've been sitting on them ever since. Seeing this makes me put it farther and farther to the back of the safe... It's a shame. I miss hitting up blm Barstow and killing a whole box and my afternoons... End rant.
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I went on ammo bros webpage and saw this on there featured products...Ain't that a crock. I'm soooo glad I bought 2 of them from Wal-Mart a week before Sandy hook. They were $25+tax then. I've been sitting on them ever since. Seeing this makes me put it farther and farther to the back of the safe... It's a shame. I miss hitting up blm Barstow and killing a whole box and my afternoons... End rant.
Their ya go. Try and replace them nowadays for cheaper. Sad state of affirs indeed.
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I went on ammo bros webpage and saw this on there featured products...Ain't that a crock. I'm soooo glad I bought 2 of them from Wal-Mart a week before Sandy hook. They were $25+tax then. I've been sitting on them ever since. Seeing this makes me put it farther and farther to the back of the safe... It's a shame. I miss hitting up blm Barstow and killing a whole box and my afternoons... End rant.
You need to watch ammo finds. In the last month I was able to pick up 1500 rounds of federal 22lr for $25 a box of 500 and 1000 rounds of CCI mini mags for $7.99 per 100. There was no tax and my shipping was only $10 so I'm pretty happy. I got real tired of looking at walmart to find the same people had bought them out first thing every morning.
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You have to wonder why apparently supply and demand doesn't work for ammo -- i.e., why Walmart and everyone else haven't raised their prices on 22LR to like $35-$40/brick? A lot of people might be happier...
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Don't be a drama queen. If you put in minimal time and effort you can get reasonably priced .22 lr online. Cabelas and Gander Mountain have the best deals followed by Midway with their backorders if you can wait.
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If people would just stock up and stop hoarding, it would get better.
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Simple solution to this mess is to stop supporting the price gouging....
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I went on ammo bros webpage and saw this on there featured products...Ain't that a crock. I'm soooo glad I bought 2 of them from Wal-Mart a week before Sandy hook. They were $25+tax then. I've been sitting on them ever since. Seeing this makes me put it farther and farther to the back of the safe... It's a shame. I miss hitting up blm Barstow and killing a whole box and my afternoons... End rant.
You should have bought more. Could've made good money now.
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22LR, the new ****ing gold! Oh, and reloading powder magically produced from a unicorn's fart......
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If people would just stock up and stop hoarding, it would get better.
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How many of you pay $1.50 at a vending machine for a can of Coke vs. going to the supermarket to get a 2 liter bottle for $1.39?

It's not gouging. High prices deter hoarding. They make sure people buy only what they absolutely need, when they need it.

Imagine if every vender sells a brick of 22LR for $20. There will be none left in the world. Only those who monitor the internet 24/7 have any chance of getting one. Those who don't have time wouldn't be able to get one even if they are willing to pay triple the price.
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Cheaper Than Dirt had 325 round bulk Federal auto match for $149.00 several months back. Before Sandy Hook, Walmart had it for $14.00. Quite a mark up just to take advantage of people. CTD has been permanently removed from my list of suppliers.
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How many of you pay $1.50 at a vending machine for a can of Coke vs. going to the supermarket to get a 2 liter bottle for $1.39?

It's not gouging. High prices deter hoarding. They make sure people buy only what they absolutely need, when they need it.

Imagine if every vender sells a brick of 22LR for $20. There will be none left in the world. Only those who monitor the internet 24/7 have any chance of getting one. Those who don't have time wouldn't be able to get one even if they are willing to pay triple the price.

sure they would, there would be millions of middle men, just like on these forums with people buying ammo at fair prices 20-30 a brick and selling them for x2-3 the price they bought it for.

if people were smart they'd stop buying ammo and let them hurt. i only bought 1 box of 22lr ammo since sandy hook for above normal prices. i will not play their games. they want to jack up the prices fuine, i wont buy it. when it returns to normal or goes on sale then i will. which is why i bought 4 boxes of 22lr this morning. i was able to find it for a pretty reasonable price.
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No, wrong. I am stocked and then stopped buying. It's like any other product in my life- buy a certain amount and have it on hand if needed. I also do this with canned soup. Stock up a large amount and then replenish as needed.

There is no stopping point in hoarding.
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Thanks for all the post. Not normally a drama queen. Was very disappointed at my favorite brick&mortar store. And yes I know internet is the wave of the future...for now. I am an advocate of supporting your local lgs. But boy, how the time's changed....

ANYWAYS...gander mountain, cabelas, etc. copy that! Thanks for the help...
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Stocking up is NOT hoarding---it's just being prepared! I stocked-up waaaaay before this whole panic thing---and not just 22...
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sure they would, there would be millions of middle men, just like on these forums with people buying ammo at fair prices 20-30 a brick and selling them for x2-3 the price they bought it for.
So either way, higher prices deter hoarding. They ensure there will always be 22LRs around if you really need it.

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if people were smart they'd stop buying ammo and let them hurt. i only bought 1 box of 22lr ammo since sandy hook for above normal prices. i will not play their games. they want to jack up the prices fuine, i wont buy it. when it returns to normal or goes on sale then i will. which is why i bought 4 boxes of 22lr this morning. i was able to find it for a pretty reasonable price.
People are smart. The first law of economics is "people are rational." People do what's in their own best interest. If I make $150/hr and really need a brick of 22LR, I won't bother to spend 3 hours scouring the internet for a brick at $30. The money I lose from spending 3 hours on the internet is greater than the savings I get from a cheap box of ammo. I'd rather just pay the $70 a brick in under 5 minute and be done with it.

Retailers with high prices ensure that there will always be an immediate supply of 22LR (and any other product) available for those who really need it right now.

Or think of it this way, government passes an "anti-gouging on 22LR act of 2014." No one can sell 22LR at higher than $0.06/round. What do you think will be the consequence of such a law?
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How many of you pay $1.50 at a vending machine for a can of Coke vs. going to the supermarket to get a 2 liter bottle for $1.39?

It's not gouging. High prices deter hoarding. They make sure people buy only what they absolutely need, when they need it.

Imagine if every vender sells a brick of 22LR for $20. There will be none left in the world. Only those who monitor the internet 24/7 have any chance of getting one. Those who don't have time wouldn't be able to get one even if they are willing to pay triple the price.

I think this is actually a bit backwards. If 22lr is $20 at every vendor, then there would be plenty of 22LR because people don't need to hoard it and flippers wouldn't bother snatching it all up.

The problem is that people are WILLING to pay $50 for a box, so other people will snatch up any box that costs less than $50.

If Walmart stocked plenty of 22lr, and sold it with a max of 3 boxes per customer ... there would be plenty. It's all about flippers.
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I think this is actually a bit backwards. If 22lr is $20 at every vendor, then there would be plenty of 22LR because people don't need to hoard it and flippers wouldn't bother snatching it all up.

The problem is that people are WILLING to pay $50 for a box, so other people will snatch up any box that costs less than $50.

If Walmart stocked plenty of 22lr, and sold it with a max of 3 boxes per customer ... there would be plenty. It's all about flippers.
this is my feeling, when it was 10-20$ a box i didnt have more than a brick at home... now i feel the need to have thousands as god only knows when i'll be able to grab some more, it took me over a year to get 22lr ammo and i bought a few bricks because of that and it was close to what it should cost.

like i said i bought 1 box at 50$ because i wanted it when i went out rabbit hunting. but now i can sit tight and let me fiance plink as i have some stored up so that she can finally get some real trigger time with my 10/22
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I think this is actually a bit backwards. If 22lr is $20 at every vendor, then there would be plenty of 22LR because people don't need to hoard it and flippers wouldn't bother snatching it all up.

The problem is that people are WILLING to pay $50 for a box, so other people will snatch up any box that costs less than $50.

If Walmart stocked plenty of 22lr, and sold it with a max of 3 boxes per customer ... there would be plenty. It's all about flippers.
It doesn't matter which came first. The fact is people want 22LR and people "believe" there's a shortage of supply.

Economics is psychology on a massive scale. Reality is what people believe in, rather than people believe in reality. We see that everywhere. The last one was the gold bubble. People believed in the impending inflation and wanted to protect themselves from it by buying gold. Gold went up to $1900+ per ounce. Before that it was the housing bubble. People believed housing price would go up forever and bought accordingly. The tech bubble was before housing bubble. People bought anything with a .com in the name.

The point is there is no such thing as gouging and no such thing as fair price. What is fair to you is not fair to someone else. Prices must be flexible and without restrictions to ensure an adequate market supply. Government shouldn't pass laws to stop the so-called "gouging," nor should it provide cheap loans to boost the housing market.

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Prices must be flexible and without restrictions to ensure an adequate market supply.
That's the strange thing...all of the major online retailers sell out immediately at $30/brick. Shouldn't Cabelas, SG, Walmart, etc. just raise their prices until bricks of 22 don't sell out immediately, like $35-40/brick? Supply would be fine and the flippers would disappear.
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If people would just stock up and stop hoarding, it would get better.

More guns out there, more people shooting. and seriously, your going to state that someone buying 1500 rounds of 22lr is hoarding? there is no such thing with ammo.

If I buy 10k rounds of ammo, then I have 10k in ammo to shoot before I need to buy it again.

So if i buy 10 cases of soda for my house am I hoarding soda? Or do I use it and buy more when I get low.


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That's the strange thing...all of the major online retailers sell out immediately at $30/brick. Shouldn't Cabelas, SG, Walmart, etc. just raise their prices until bricks of 22 don't sell out immediately, like $35-40/brick? Supply would be fine and the flippers would disappear.
These large retailers are slower to adjust prices to market condition, and that's why they are always out of stock. The middleman is either too stupid or not paying attention. Most likely he just doesn't care.

Notice those retailers that sell at above market values always have an ample supply of 22LR in the inventory. The middleman here wants to make high margins but less volume. One reason could be that these smaller retailers don't always get the mass shipment that large retailers get, for whatever the reason. They are perfectly content at moving their inventories at a slower pace with high margin.

The current equilibrium price just might be around $40 - $45 per 500 rounds. Everything below $35 sell out immediately. Everything above $50 will stay in the inventory for a bit.
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More guns out there, more people shooting. and seriously, your going to state that someone buying 1500 rounds of 22lr is hoarding? there is no such thing with ammo.

If I buy 10k rounds of ammo, then I have 10k in ammo to shoot before I need to buy it again.

So if i buy 10 cases of soda for my house am I hoarding soda? Or do I use it and buy more when I get low.


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Like I said above- there is having a stockpile and staying with that number AND there is hoarding where you don't stop.

Some people have a great stockpile of ammo, but keep going because the end of the world is coming and/or they want to brag and rub it i the face to other members here how much they have on hand.

IMO there is a difference.
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You think that is stupid. Look at some of the prices of the place that has the nerve to call itself Cheaper Than Dirt. A mere 30.00 plus shipping for a big box of 50 CCI Stingers.

If you have ever purchased from these Jerks do not ever again. And please take the time to send them an Email telling them you will never buy anything from them even if you have not before..Maker sure you emphasize that it is because they are crooks..

I do it atleast once a month,LOL

That is their Low Price. Really, they even said so..

They also 50 round boxes of CCI CBs for the same low price,. Wow they are so nice..
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You think that is stupid. Look at some of the prices of the place that has the nerve to call itself Cheaper Than Dirt. A mere 30.00 plus shipping for a big box of 50 CCI Stingers.

If you have ever purchased from these Jerks do not ever again. And please take the time to send them an Email telling them you will never buy anything from them even if you have not before..Maker sure you emphasize that it is because they are crooks..

I do it atleast once a month,LOL

That is their Low Price. Really, they even said so..

They also 50 round boxes of CCI CBs for the same low price,. Wow they are so nice..
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AMM-0751

i laughed at the clerk in turners in orange when he told me cci 100 packs are 10$



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I agree _ everyone I know who shoots has personal stock and replenish as they use. Plus, what do I care if someone hoards? The funniest comments I read are those telling people what someone should sell their goods for haha. I remember someone guy saying $30.00 should be the max when the total after shipping is a little over $30.00. If I sell off stuff, it comes at the cost to replenish which doesn't include my OCD on having matching ammo from manufacturers to grain.

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No, wrong. I am stocked and then stopped buying. It's like any other product in my life- buy a certain amount and have it on hand if needed. I also do this with canned soup. Stock up a large amount and then replenish as needed.

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i doubt it because 112 gauge bulk is now $27.99 which used to be $19.99 not that long ago (checked today and nothing on hand). Would you purchase 22lr if they said screw it and charged $65? Scalpers will be gone but will reappear once it drops again. Look at all the 9mm that cost $0.41 (ZQI)it sits there collecting dust- I highly doubt they will drop the price just to push it out.


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i laughed at the clerk in turners in orange when he told me cci 100 packs are 10$
and because of that, Turners might actually have some in stock for that guy who really needs some ammo to go shooting this weekend. If it was priced at $4-5 a box, it would be all gone by people who didn't "need" ammo but saw it at a good price and snatched it up.

Its the same thing as selling gas for $10 when there is a hurricane and people are fleeing. if if you sell it at pre-evac prices, everyone is going to fill up, even if they don't need that much gas. but if you raise it to $10+ a gallon, then they'll only buy enough gas to get them out of the evac zone and there will be gas left over for the people behind them.
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I like Ammo Bros, however I won't buy any 22lr there! It's just too expensive! Of course it is their right to charge whatever they want to. They choose their mark up %. I do find it hard to believe that they are NOT being opportunistic at the expense of their customer base.
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and because of that, Turners might actually have some in stock for that guy who really needs some ammo to go shooting this weekend. If it was priced at $4-5 a box, it would be all gone by people who didn't "need" ammo but saw it at a good price and snatched it up.

Its the same thing as selling gas for $10 when there is a hurricane and people are fleeing. if if you sell it at pre-evac prices, everyone is going to fill up, even if they don't need that much gas. but if you raise it to $10+ a gallon, then they'll only buy enough gas to get them out of the evac zone and there will be gas left over for the people behind them.
because im sure thats what their thought process is....


of ****ing course not they just want to make a quick couple bucks, they dont give a flying **** about having only the people that need it have it they juat want money. if they're so nice why does rifle gear sell theyre bricks for half the cost of everyone else? or gander mountain, midway. look at the gougers on the forums. its people being greedy and taking advantage of a situation and ****ing the next guy over.


no one on thw forum is selling 22 ammo to break even theyre doing it to take advantage of a community of people supposedly they like... seems real friendly to me
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