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I don't know about any of you guys, but I also love collecting old photos of firearms. Lucky me, I found a photo of two soldiers holding the holy grail of mosins, the m1907 carbine. If I could only get my hands on the rifle itself to match.

If any of you collect old photos, post them up!!! Also, I apologize for the cheesy watermark. If anyone wants the photo without the watermark for their collection, just pm me and I'll email it out. Thanks for looking!


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I have an obsession with collecting old photographs of firearms that I have in my collection (German pre-1945) -
I have absolutely no respect for fascist politics or sympathy for anything nazi as a doctrine - I do have a deep and profound interest in history.

I have several folders of photos from this era on my laptop that I have scooped from collecting sites.
And then a few stacks of physical photo albums in my office.
I enjoy going over these with a magnifying glass and picking out details.

My daughter and I even found the Hotel in Germany that was in the background of a photo, it was still a hotel, but given the nature of the photo, and the uniforms of the soldiers in front, we decided not to contact them, lol.
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These from internet:
Interesting and rare shot of the first model FG42 actually in use in the European theater - (not in the Skorzeny mission.)

Some US GI demilled firearms.


Some from my collection:




This is interesting - obviously after some AA practice - see used belts in can, and beverage in hand and AA front sight - early milled top-cover 34 - the Lafette set up is interesting - shoulder straps clearly hanging, carrying sling unbuckled before mounting. The pre-war AA attachment fitting for the 34 Lafette is curious, too - they use a full ammo can as a counter weight, hanging beneath the tripod.


When I come across photos I do not collect - concentration camp pictures, aftermath photos, deceased, etc - I donate to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, or to established collectors - I bought a collection in Ojai recently that had a sizable grouping of Prison camp shots - they all went this way. I add this note for the ghouls who may feel they have formed some sort of opinion of me
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Nice collections! I love the photo where the kids were playing with those chopped up mausers
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Thank goodness for collectors like you Pitfighter. I too really appreciate history and am fascinated by the societal and psychological factors that led to the rise of the National Socialists. Of course, some of the most evil deeds in modern history were performed by them but it is history, it did happen and every human alive should be aware of it and study it, at least a bit.

I don't find your images and why you have them ghoulish in the least, it is a fascinating subject, institutionalized, government sponsored evil always is always something worth studying.
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Some optimistic Anti Aircraft shooting -



A captured T-Gewehr -
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A captured T-Gewehr -
i wonder how many of those guys with the T Gewehr were alive a month later.
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weighing in the smiles, pipe smoking, standing in the trench (breaking the horizon sillouhette) lack of personal small-arms, and the piles of left behind German war material - let's hope it was late 1918 and these guys all made it home.

Here are some more interesting ones - then I have to get back to this script - which is kicking me in the head.

Two SS Finnish foreign legion - one with PPsh41 and the other with Suomi.


I wonder if this is the precursor to the shot of the wrecked German guns in front of that French farmhouse - a few grim faced GI's inspect MP44's and MG42 - I would have smashed them, too -
The second MP44 kit I found was a Haenel 1945 - that had been smashed by being beaten against something dozens of times - caving in the receiver and actually slightly bending it.


A GI - Airborne I think - with a captured first model FG42 (paratrooper rifle) - which would put him in the European theater -


Spanish Civil war - Mauser and Star pistol - I think -
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
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I'm surprised they destroyed the STG44's... I'd think that would be a definite war trophy & take home item. Were they allowed to take home select-fire small arms?
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A captured T-Gewehr -
Just got a chance to actually see and touch one of these at the Santa Barbara Historical Arms & Blade Show on Saturday. The thing is massive and very impressive looking in person. The receiver and bolt are immense.
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I'm surprised they destroyed the STG44's... I'd think that would be a definite war trophy & take home item. Were they allowed to take home select-fire small arms?
Look at the guys faces, the last thing they're concerned with is collecting goodies - IMO they're determining what the Hell the weapons are that they're facing and how to fight the enemy that's using them.

Later they might use them...
In WW2


A US GI tries out a Korean era PPSH41
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Wow, thanks Pit for your time posting these photos. I love them!

Here is a couple more, since you like german firearms.





I'm just trying to find some photos of japanese soldiers with identifiable weapons. Unfortunately, all the photos of the japanese are either KIA or prisoners
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Great thread, and great pics!
Thanks! Despite our recent confrontations lol
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Nice posed pics - Edvil,

I think i have seen the Luger one before - is that from your collection or on line?

Here are some curious ones - my collection is volumes now - totally out of control - but I do enjoy having it, like the ammo collection, not many people understand it, lol.

MG15 in rare ground mount configuration -
The MG15 was used in planes (operated by a gunner), until there were none left - at which time it was converted to ground use, by an aluminum tray that supported the barrel and a converted MG34 bipod - a quick detach shoulder stock was used, too. The rate of fire is very fast - the co-axle mag empties alternating from left to right, not to affect balance - it is a pain to load and requires a table top tool - if it jams which it does, it requires the removal of ten tiny screws to remove the front plate - lol, totally impractical, but that rate of fire is pretty cool!


A selection of MG34's.


A Russian with war trophy.


Some Germans with their war trophy.


An über rare pic of a G41(m) in operation - I owned this Mauser variant - it was my first five figure sale - I was glad to have sold it, lol.


A really cool pic of a range day with some 1917's.
(I think these are machine gun crew issue coveralls - I need a pair, lol)
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Some pics of the G/K43 in use - not so rare, but interesting.




Some more modern but interesting ones.

On the left is Larry Thorne - (Sic) A Finnish Soldier, winner of the Manneheim Cross, then a member of the SS foreign Legions, where he won the Iron Cross, then a US Army GI and Green beret, eventually a member of SOG - he is the first listed MIA/KIA with SOG.
A serious badass - with a building named after him at Bragg.
(Pilot is a member of SPAF - sneaky Pete air force.)


Some Australian SAS - Vietnam late 1960's.
Truly interesting weapons choices.
(I wouldn't rest that muzzle in the dirt though!)
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My dad in the Army cira 1950 in Basic at Ford Ord. He is the one with the glasses second from the left in the first one and the one standing up on the left (without a helmet) in the second. He passed last November.


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A funny side not on the first pic in my post above, my dad told me the guy on the very left of the photo is actually A.C. Nielsen Jr., the TV rating guy. We has a friend of my dads during basic and later at the Defense Language institute in Monterrey. Not sure which Nielsen he is, apparently there where a few brothers. Dad always said they where good friends and bunk mates.

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Great pictures, thanks - really awesome -
Interesting about Nielsen too.

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I used to collect Boer War era stereocards. Still have a couple dozen. Here are several of them.







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British officer and local troops in Malaya. Note his M1 carbine.
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I don't know about any of you guys, but I also love collecting old photos of firearms. Lucky me, I found a photo of two soldiers holding the holy grail of mosins, the m1907 carbine. If I could only get my hands on the rifle itself to match.

If any of you collect old photos, post them up!!! Also, I apologize for the cheesy watermark. If anyone wants the photo without the watermark for their collection, just pm me and I'll email it out. Thanks for looking!

I've got the coat (surplus).
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Another stereocard. WW1 era Note the rare 03 sniper with the Winchester A5 scope. I believe these are U.S. Marines from what I was told but not sure.

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Nice photos fellas!

Pit, that one is my from my personal collection. Actually, I run across lots of posed luger photos for sale online.

sl0re10 - Now I just need the boots, hat, ammo belt, rifle, and to grow out my mustache
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British officer and local troops in Malaya. Note his M1 carbine.
Noticed that.
Not sure I'd want to be the only man in my unit with a unique caliber... Nice #5s!
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Noticed that.
Not sure I'd want to be the only man in my unit with a unique caliber... Nice #5s!
They might've had one firefight per patrol but probably not even then. I'm guessing he carried the same ammo patrol after patrol.
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I think that shot is Pre-1958 - as the Officer is still wearing the 1937 web belt.
It is an interesting pic, small arms-wise -

Here's one of some 22 SAS jungle fighters a little later on - Borneo Campaign.
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I had to get a Lavuu to go with my polish AK
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Here is an interesting one: Nazi toys in the hands of Israeli commandos:

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Great pic -
Haganah?
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Hagana?
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Not a war photo but here's a picture of my grandparents from my mom's side of the family. My grandpa did serve during the Korean War as a truck driver for an Army chemicals unit stationed in England. I guess I carried on the tradition of truck driving that skipped a generation. They were Hawaiin-born Japanese. It was taken some time in the 1950's after they had gotten married and moved from Hawaii to Chicago. They later settled in the Los Angeles area.

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Unit 101 - the elite.

*I have an Israeli sling (brass fixture) on my MP40 - I like that it went that way.
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Here are some curious pics -
I think the thread was old war pics featuring C&R firearms - although I like all old pictures so, not complaining

German paratroopers with Thompson 1928A1 SMG (Cutts compensator and top mounted cocking handle, cooling fins.)


German paratrooper with Bren LMG (Mk1 I think) - (similar to ZB26/30 but this definitely a Bren.)


Wermacht soldiers (I believe SS pea dot camouflage) using an SVT-40.


Some US GI's with captured booty - by the expressions - I think they're just pleased to be done with having these pointed at them.
MP43 (two stage muzzle protector and wide stock), G41(m), 2X K98K's, P38.

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While I don't own this image, I thought it would be interesting for any collector.

You will find the image on this site:
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Yes - lot's of those kinds of pictures about - especially from WW1
Gives you a clearer (scarier) idea of the incredible volume of war -
That was liberty tree photo was probably one smaller sized pocket of German resistance that was defeated, the arms then stockpiled by the Soviets.
There were hundreds maybe thousands of these stockpiles.
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I think that shot is Pre-1958 - as the Officer is still wearing the 1937 web belt.
It is an interesting pic, small arms-wise -

Here's one of some 22 SAS jungle fighters a little later on - Borneo Campaign.
Great photo! Yes it is pre 1958 but I think his belt is a P44 which was standard for tropical areas.
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Could be a '44 belt - my only experience with '44 webbing was the water bottle holders, we all wanted those, used four water bottle holders on a '58 belt to hold mags, gear and goodies.
I was going to put together a belt pack for one of the mannequins in my office, but, '44 water bottle holders are all but impossible to find now.
This pic is of an Australian set-up using '44 water bottle pouches as utility load bearers - no UK soldier would EVER use a US web belt, lol.

When I was a cadet we were still issued 1937 pattern webbing - then 1958 which was current through 1990's -
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