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Old 12-13-2016, 4:52 PM
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I've heard a little discussion about not changing out the trigger or doing anything that alters the way your every day carry firearm came from the factory. Is it illegal? I have a S&W Sheild 9, that I want to drop a new trigger in. What are the concequences when using one to defend yourself after it's been modified?
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Old 12-13-2016, 4:56 PM
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Depends on your issueing agency.
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Old 12-13-2016, 5:52 PM
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Most people don't recommend changing the mechanical (trigger) parts as it can cause issues in court. Again depends on agency if it's legal or not. I would recommend only changing the sights or grips just to be safe. Here's a good video about the issue on more of a national level.

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Old 12-14-2016, 5:38 AM
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I have a Shield and am Licensed to carry in San Bernardino, my Shield has a modified trigger ( 4lb ), loaded chamber indicator blocked and night sights. My gun passed in section easily. However the guy in front of me was denied by the same instructor for to light of trigger, i'm not sure how light it was or what type of gun. I couldn't get a good look without putting my nose where it didn't belong.

I look at it this way and maybe i'm wrong, but if I get in a spot where I have to DEFEND my life or my families. The last thing i'm worried about is a lawsuit. That's what insurance is for, which I have yet to purchase LOL
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Old 01-24-2017, 9:37 AM
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Don't touch the trigger. Use stock OEM trigger same as the police. Same typical police issue ammo just as Gold Dot, HST, TAP...etc.
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Old 01-24-2017, 9:40 AM
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Just do it.
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Shield with Apex trigger, removed CALI load indicator, removed mag lock, and added trijicon sights - no problems.
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Not a question of legal or illegal.

Some IAs do not allow modified guns on your permit. Some don't care.

If you IA allows it, some people think it's a bad idea to modify a carry or HD gun. Some think it would never matter.

The answer is: Check with your IA then decide for yourself if using a modified gun in an hd/sd situation will make a difference because there's no legal answer and certainly no consensus of opinion here and it's been discussed 1000 times.
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Just DO IT.
Unless you're drawing a paycheck from whatever law enforcement agency issued your ccw, you shouldn't have to have your weapon configured to please them.
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San Bernardino permit here. My 2 glocks passed inspection with the following mods:
Glock 17 - 3.5 lb trigger, 3rd party sights installed
EDC Glock 26 - 3.5 lb trigger, cerakoted (but is wearing off due to holster wear from daily carry).
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During my interview the detective and i started talking about what id be carrying. He actually suggested that i get the apex trigger for my shield. I thought this was kind of odd.
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During my interview the officer cycled my pistols a few times. I was a little scared he would deny as the drop safety and mag locks were disconnected. He let them through


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Not a question of legal or illegal.

Some IAs do not allow modified guns on your permit. Some don't care.

If you IA allows it, some people think it's a bad idea to modify a carry or HD gun. Some think it would never matter.

The answer is:

Check with your IA then decide for yourself if using a modified gun in an hd/sd situation will make a difference because there's no legal answer

and certainly no consensus of opinion here and it's been discussed 1000 times.
We have heard from CCW'ers who have done it without immediate consequences and

from those who were told that the gun's would not/did not qualify under their IA's rules or

after inspection in their CCW class identified that unapproved/unsafe? changes were made.

Few guns that I would consider carrying would require real trigger work outside of range/competition use...
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During my interview the officer cycled my pistols a few times. I was a little scared he would deny as the drop safety and mag locks were disconnected. He let them through


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My IA (Modesto PD) didn't inspect the firearms.
Neither did the CCW class.

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I have a Shield and am Licensed to carry in San Bernardino, my Shield has a modified trigger ( 4lb ), loaded chamber indicator blocked and night sights. My gun passed in section easily. However the guy in front of me was denied by the same instructor for to light of trigger, i'm not sure how light it was or what type of gun. I couldn't get a good look without putting my nose where it didn't belong.
AFAIK...
San Bernardino County Sheriff Department has a nothing under 3.5lbs trigger pull requirement.

And if it keeps having stoppages/malfunctions during the shooting portion, then it's a disqualifier.
^During my range day, some guy with a "customized" (he did all the mods himself; lighten trigger, heavier recoil spring assembly, disabled chamber load indicator, disabled magazine disconnect, stronger magazine springs) S&W Shield 40 kept having stoppages, so they no-go'd that handgun.
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Qualified SB county yesterday... I didn't see a single gun denied out of 22 people, over 50 guns. Instructor encouraged external accuracy and comfort upgrades (sights, lasers, grips) recommended against "competition" upgrades and things like punisher skulls painted on your gun.
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Gun modification is not a factor in determining legality in the intentional use of deadly force in self-defense. Intent is stipulated (you intended to use your gun to defend yourself), and deadly force is not an issue (any gun is inherently deadly). The only issue is the self-defense component: were you legally justified in using deadly force in self-defense under the circumstances?

In a negligent (as opposed to intentional) shooting, gun modification could be a factor. Did the gun modification contribute (think nexus) to the negligent discharge? This is the issue surrounding the "hair trigger" debate, and the reason that some issuing agencies are concerned with modifications that they believe make a gun unsafe to carry around in public with their authorization.
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I am planning on changing my PX4 from type F (decocker and manual safety) to type G (decocker only). I have not heard of any problems with this, since both F and G are available on the Kommiefornia handgun roster.
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Old 02-12-2017, 10:27 AM
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I am planning on changing my PX4 from type F (decocker and manual safety) to type G (decocker only). I have not heard of any problems with this, since both F and G are available on the Kommiefornia handgun roster.
Actually, they are not. The PX-4 dropped off the roster on 1 Jan 2017.

Apparently Beretta chose to not submit for renewal.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:36 AM
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I don't NEED to modify a gun to use it to defend myself, so I don't. Just my personal opinion and practice.
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Actually, they are not. The PX-4 dropped off the roster on 1 Jan 2017.

Apparently Beretta chose to not submit for renewal.
Oh that's right, I didn't think about it until you pointed it out.
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I was advised to keep it stock....but also told its on you
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