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Survival and Preparations Long and short term survival and 'prepping'. |
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Bolt Action .308
Whether it takes mags or not, step up to .308. .223 only if you are going with an AR. A .223 bolt action is a varmint gun, good for groundhogs and the like. |
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If I'm by myself and on foot I would probably just bring the .223 rifle with as much ammo as I can carry in after everything needed for survival. I'm also going to concealed carrying my sub compact with maybe 50 rounds. I should have a 2nd person with me who will be carrying the 22 and probably 1000 rounds. I'm leaning towards the Kel-Tec su16ca because of how light and compact it is. If the sub 2k was CA legal I would for sure have that as well |
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My own plans call for me to avoid using firearms. Rather than killing others for their supplies, I'm preparing my own. Rather than being a target for marauders, I'm trying to keep a low profile. Given a choice of defending my territory with bullets or running away to safety (and it must be that choice--not actually defending my territory with bullets or running away and fighting on someone else's territory) I'll run away. I'm a hider, not a fighter. Rather than hunting, I'm stockpiling. Firearms are part of my plan, but only if I've failed in a prior part of the plan. |
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Edit: Oh, I forgot T.P. - Major need!
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If you are bugging in at home, or if your area will allow easy routes for vehicles, or you have a getaway cabin, then by all means, load up with as much guns and ammo as you want. |
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I think WAY too much thought is given to just weapons---staying alive, clean drinkable water, some food, some shelter---these things become real important when you're freezing your tits off, starving and drinking bad water and the bad stuff that happens to you when you drink bad water. Of course being a gun related website, we wanna talk about guns.
I'll cover the gun thing right now---if you want a self-protection rifle for bad times, only three come to mind: a nice used Mini 14, some sort of AR-15 or a simple old SKS. The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story. Something that always amuses me is the whole "bug-out" thing---where are you going? What will be at this new location thats better than your old location? Chances are, if you're in the city when things turn nasty, you'll be stuck there---so make you're plans... |
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Between that and your "bullet button" you could be SOL in a fire fight after 10 rounds or less. The M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine, and M-14 bolt designs are vastly superior for firefights. |
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^^^this! FTW!! |
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lol the 7.62 nato is also standard military round as well which makes a bolt action or m14 a better choice especially with its superior functionality and balistics to the mini and AR if you follow your line of argument.
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The only concern here is that many .308 bolt guns do not like 7.62 NATO ammo. Had one jam up on me even though the manual said either/or. Pretty much have to go with what is stamped on the barrel to be safe unless you find a specific type your rifle accepts. Same for 5.56 in a .223 bolt gun I would think, again, depending on the chambering specs.
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Some random thoughts for the OP. Everything below is IMHO.
For urban/housing tract bugging in a bolt action may not be the way to go. Your defense actions will be within 50 yards so fast follow ups and volume of fire are more important. Semis and shotguns are the better option. Bugging out to the wilderness. Bolts long range accuracy take the lead. If you do plan on heading to the wilderness you need to stake out where you are going now. Find a place with year round water and no road to it or you will not be there alone. P.S. The MVP is a great rifle and a ton of fun too.
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