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Old 02-25-2014, 5:59 PM
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Bolt Action .308

Whether it takes mags or not, step up to .308.
.223 only if you are going with an AR. A .223 bolt action is a varmint gun, good for groundhogs and the like.
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Old 02-25-2014, 8:09 PM
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I agree with this 100%.

We all like guns, but in terms of survival, they aren't the #1 thing.
Food, water, and getting to a safe place are the priority.

When the original poster said he had a 10/22, a handgun, and was looking
at picking up a bolt-action rifle, it sounds like a good mixture of weapons,
but when I think about the weight on all of them, and ammo, and carrying
them all on foot, it seems like too much. If you are going to be on foot,
you probably don't want to be carrying more than one weapon. It seems
cool to have more, but if you are hiking around in the woods, trying to survive,
I think there are many more useful things to take up space in your backpack.

In fact, a better discussion for survival weapons, is what is the ideal *single* weapon to carry with you,
if you want to reduce weight, and have something that does covers defense, hunting, concealment, etc.
I didn't say I was going to carry all of them with me lol. That would be way to much weight to handle for 1 person unless your in the military and make a living by being in fighting shape.

If I'm by myself and on foot I would probably just bring the .223 rifle with as much ammo as I can carry in after everything needed for survival. I'm also going to concealed carrying my sub compact with maybe 50 rounds.

I should have a 2nd person with me who will be carrying the 22 and probably 1000 rounds.

I'm leaning towards the Kel-Tec su16ca because of how light and compact it is. If the sub 2k was CA legal I would for sure have that as well
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Old 02-25-2014, 8:58 PM
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Now i need a PSL darn it PC next gun on the to get list lol Been looking everywehre for parts kits but they are dryed up right now but you can get recivers for em lol THere are two parts kits on GB but they are too expensive lol the complet ones are going for like 1200 only one was 800
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Just wait about a month for all those bug out guys with a 100 lbs of guns and ammo to drop dead from thirst, starvation, exhaustion, and disease and then pick up whatever they dropped.

Not trying to be rude but the vision of hordes of men each on his own prowling the hills and gullies of California armed to the teeth after the end of society and looking for a fight is frightening and in a macabre way, funny. Everyone fitted with a rifle, handgun, fighting knife, magazines and ammo clinking away and a Safeway bottle of water and a granola bar in the pocket to survive until they get to...what and where? And what do they do when they get there?

I suggest that the firearm is the very last part of the whole plan. To do otherwise is like the mistaken concept of the sun revolving around the earth except for us it is everything revolves around the firearm.

My apologies if I have offended anyone with this.
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I agree with this 100%.

We all like guns, but in terms of survival, they aren't the #1 thing.
Food, water, and getting to a safe place are the priority.

When the original poster said he had a 10/22, a handgun, and was looking
at picking up a bolt-action rifle, it sounds like a good mixture of weapons,
but when I think about the weight on all of them, and ammo, and carrying
them all on foot, it seems like too much. If you are going to be on foot,
you probably don't want to be carrying more than one weapon. It seems
cool to have more, but if you are hiking around in the woods, trying to survive,
I think there are many more useful things to take up space in your backpack.

In fact, a better discussion for survival weapons, is what is the ideal *single* weapon to carry with you,
if you want to reduce weight, and have something that does covers defense, hunting, concealment, etc.
I have to disagree with the above about a firearm being the last part of a plan. I don't understand how any plan/preparation is worth a damn if you do not have the means to protect yourself/family etc. from the bad guys doing what ever they desire?
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I have to disagree with the above about a firearm being the last part of a plan. I don't understand how any plan/preparation is worth a damn if you do not have the means to protect yourself/family etc. from the bad guys doing what ever they desire?
In every SHTF scenario, people will need water. Everyone will need food. Not everyone will need to defend their food and water with force. Your firearm is not drinkable or edible, but is a secondary survival item, for protecting or obtaining things needed for survival. It should be part of your plan, but not at the top of your list.

My own plans call for me to avoid using firearms. Rather than killing others for their supplies, I'm preparing my own. Rather than being a target for marauders, I'm trying to keep a low profile. Given a choice of defending my territory with bullets or running away to safety (and it must be that choice--not actually defending my territory with bullets or running away and fighting on someone else's territory) I'll run away. I'm a hider, not a fighter. Rather than hunting, I'm stockpiling.

Firearms are part of my plan, but only if I've failed in a prior part of the plan.
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:17 AM
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Depending on the application. You cant go wrong with 7.62x39 rifle and pistol.
Yes you can. .223 is available everywhere, all the time...
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Old 03-04-2014, 10:24 AM
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In every SHTF scenario, people will need water. Everyone will need food. Not everyone will need to defend their food and water with force. Your firearm is not drinkable or edible, but is a secondary survival item, for protecting or obtaining things needed for survival. It should be part of your plan, but not at the top of your list.

My own plans call for me to avoid using firearms. Rather than killing others for their supplies, I'm preparing my own. Rather than being a target for marauders, I'm trying to keep a low profile. Given a choice of defending my territory with bullets or running away to safety (and it must be that choice--not actually defending my territory with bullets or running away and fighting on someone else's territory) I'll run away. I'm a hider, not a fighter. Rather than hunting, I'm stockpiling.

Firearms are part of my plan, but only if I've failed in a prior part of the plan.
Understood. I guess I'm taking it for granted that anyone thinking about being prepared for a shtf situation has already considered their water and food supply. In which case...I would say protection, fire, lighting, cooking, fuel (of any/all kinds), medical, good blankets, water filtration/purification, more food/water - the list goes on. Of course pacifists need not consider arms on their list. Are there any pacifists on this forum?

Edit: Oh, I forgot T.P. - Major need!
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Understood. I guess I'm taking it for granted that anyone thinking about being prepared for a shtf situation has already considered their water and food supply. In which case...I would say protection, fire, lighting, cooking, fuel (of any/all kinds), medical, good blankets, water filtration/purification, more food/water - the list goes on. Of course pacifists need not consider arms on their list. Are there any pacifists on this forum?
Many just call them fodder, or soft-targets: They are easy to spot, as they have Obama/Hillary/Peace stickers on their vehicle.
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I have to disagree with the above about a firearm being the last part of a plan. I don't understand how any plan/preparation is worth a damn if you do not have the means to protect yourself/family etc. from the bad guys doing what ever they desire?
That's absolutely true. But my main point is that it's probably overkill to bring multiple weapons and ammo with you, if you are having to bug out on foot.

If you are bugging in at home, or if your area will allow easy routes for vehicles,
or you have a getaway cabin, then by all means, load up with as much guns and
ammo as you want.
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Yes you can. .223 is available everywhere, all the time...
People said that about .22 long rifle
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I think WAY too much thought is given to just weapons---staying alive, clean drinkable water, some food, some shelter---these things become real important when you're freezing your tits off, starving and drinking bad water and the bad stuff that happens to you when you drink bad water. Of course being a gun related website, we wanna talk about guns.
I'll cover the gun thing right now---if you want a self-protection rifle for bad times, only three come to mind: a nice used Mini 14, some sort of AR-15 or a simple old SKS. The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story.
Something that always amuses me is the whole "bug-out" thing---where are you going? What will be at this new location thats better than your old location? Chances are, if you're in the city when things turn nasty, you'll be stuck there---so make you're plans...
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I think WAY too much thought is given to just weapons---staying alive, clean drinkable water, some food, some shelter---these things become real important when you're freezing your tits off, starving and drinking bad water and the bad stuff that happens to you when you drink bad water. Of course being a gun related website, we wanna talk about guns.
I'll cover the gun thing right now---if you want a self-protection rifle for bad times, only three come to mind: a nice used Mini 14, some sort of AR-15 or a simple old SKS. The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story.
Something that always amuses me is the whole "bug-out" thing---where are you going? What will be at this new location thats better than your old location? Chances are, if you're in the city when things turn nasty, you'll be stuck there---so make you're plans...
Accurately stated. I would add that a few extra pistols and carbines/rifles is a good thing so some people can take shifts doing guard duty while others get some rest. Lack of sleep is a bad thing too.
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Yeah, to expect to be able to get thru something major by yourself is unrealistic---having armed friends and family around increases the odds for surviving...
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Featureless AK47, ie: saiga sporting rifle. No need for a bullet button.
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I didn't say I was going to carry all of them with me lol. That would be way to much weight to handle for 1 person unless your in the military and make a living by being in fighting shape.

If I'm by myself and on foot I would probably just bring the .223 rifle with as much ammo as I can carry in after everything needed for survival. I'm also going to concealed carrying my sub compact with maybe 50 rounds.

I should have a 2nd person with me who will be carrying the 22 and probably 1000 rounds.

I'm leaning towards the Kel-Tec su16ca because of how light and compact it is. If the sub 2k was CA legal I would for sure have that as well
The main disadvantage to all of Stoner's designs (the "AR's") is that they jam easily and you cannot tactically reload them through the bolt.

Between that and your "bullet button" you could be SOL in a fire fight after 10 rounds or less.

The M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine, and M-14 bolt designs are vastly superior for firefights.
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I think WAY too much thought is given to just weapons---staying alive, clean drinkable water, some food, some shelter---these things become real important when you're freezing your tits off, starving and drinking bad water and the bad stuff that happens to you when you drink bad water. Of course being a gun related website, we wanna talk about guns.
I'll cover the gun thing right now---if you want a self-protection rifle for bad times, only three come to mind: a nice used Mini 14, some sort of AR-15 or a simple old SKS. The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story.
Something that always amuses me is the whole "bug-out" thing---where are you going? What will be at this new location thats better than your old location? Chances are, if you're in the city when things turn nasty, you'll be stuck there---so make you're plans...
I LOVE my Ruger Mini !!! Yes !!!
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The main disadvantage to all of Stoner's designs (the "AR's") is that they jam easily and you cannot tactically reload them through the bolt.

Between that and your "bullet button" you could be SOL in a fire fight after 10 rounds or less.

The M-1 Garand, M-1 Carbine, and M-14 bolt designs are vastly superior for firefights.
One thing is for sure - Adherence to the bullet button law will be observed during SHTF & TEOTWAWKI situations.
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I think WAY too much thought is given to just weapons---staying alive, clean drinkable water, some food, some shelter---these things become real important when you're freezing your tits off, starving and drinking bad water and the bad stuff that happens to you when you drink bad water. Of course being a gun related website, we wanna talk about guns.
I'll cover the gun thing right now---if you want a self-protection rifle for bad times, only three come to mind: a nice used Mini 14, some sort of AR-15 or a simple old SKS. The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story.
Something that always amuses me is the whole "bug-out" thing---where are you going? What will be at this new location thats better than your old location? Chances are, if you're in the city when things turn nasty, you'll be stuck there---so make you're plans...

^^^this! FTW!!
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The Mini and the AR are the first choice because .223 is our standard military round---end of story.
lol the 7.62 nato is also standard military round as well which makes a bolt action or m14 a better choice especially with its superior functionality and balistics to the mini and AR if you follow your line of argument.
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lol the 7.62 nato is also standard military round as well which makes a bolt action or m14 a better choice especially with its superior functionality and balistics to the mini and AR if you follow your line of argument.
The only concern here is that many .308 bolt guns do not like 7.62 NATO ammo. Had one jam up on me even though the manual said either/or. Pretty much have to go with what is stamped on the barrel to be safe unless you find a specific type your rifle accepts. Same for 5.56 in a .223 bolt gun I would think, again, depending on the chambering specs.
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People said that about .22 long rifle
Then they would be wrong...

There is a limited QTY of overpriced-crap 22lr in my area.
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Some random thoughts for the OP. Everything below is IMHO.

For urban/housing tract bugging in a bolt action may not be the way to go. Your defense actions will be within 50 yards so fast follow ups and volume of fire are more important. Semis and shotguns are the better option.

Bugging out to the wilderness. Bolts long range accuracy take the lead.

If you do plan on heading to the wilderness you need to stake out where you are going now.

Find a place with year round water and no road to it or you will not be there alone.

P.S. The MVP is a great rifle and a ton of fun too.
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