2016 SB 1407 De León. Firearms: identifying information

[DartFrog]

Mr. Ghost Gun put in his $0.02
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/15-16/...introduced.htm


// Also http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1407
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// Librarian

[cdtx2001]

That one again?

[prod39]

There is " MOVE " afoot from the dumbocraps to do everything in their power to remove guns from California, before the country. In my ,,Long, lifetime, I have never seen it this serious.
It Is most Important to join " legitimate fighting " gun advocacy groups. Yes, that means the NRA, as well. ( They are the biggest in the World ! ) There are other great groups; FPC, Gun Owners of America, to name a couple.

Point Being,,,WE HAVE TO BE ORGANIZED AND POLITICALLY ACTIVE IN THIS BATTLE ! This is the fight for Our Personal Freedom, and, make NO mistake,,,they want to take them away !

I'll get off of my soapbox, now.

[huntercf]

He is such an idiot. This bill will make it a crime (misdemeanor) to help a prohibited person build a firearm, pretty sure that is a federal felony.

[AceGirlsHusband]

Originally Posted by huntercf

He is such an idiot. This bill will make it a crime (misdemeanor) to help a prohibited person build a firearm, pretty sure that is a federal felony.

Of course all gun owners will need background clearance to run checks on any potential participants who would want their help at doing anything with a firearm... "unless personally known to them under specific circumstances."

[1bulletBarney]

These morons relish the oportunity to create new laws that can turn law abiding citizens into criminals...

[The Gleam]

Originally Posted by 1bulletBarney

These morons relish the oportunity to create new laws that can turn law abiding citizens into criminals...

Exactly, and they didn't even disguise this point; the last sentence of that 2nd paragraph is:

"By creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program."

[Librarian]

This bill would, commencing July 1, 2018, require a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark, as provided.

Sure looks like a repeat.

[chris]

the idiot is at it again. someone put him jail. oh uncle Leeland can you squeal on De Leon like a good boy.

[JBoutfishn]

IMHO, Kevin De Leon has one thing in mind. To say or do anything that will get him reelected. I don't believe he really gives a rats a** about his constituency.

[aws1963]

And his constituency will be applauding him with raspy voices and parched throats praising him for his wonderful concern for the children of CA. All the while waiting in line to board the shiny new high speed rail train to nowhere!

[jdberger]

The story is that Kevin DeLeon is an avid shotgunner. Can anyone verify?

[nagzul]

Im just a nooblet that went into the easy reading of this bill. Am I wrong in thinking, if this passes, that doing a voluntary reg before 2018, July 1st would exclude from the no sale or transfer clause? Also antiques? I doubt it will pass, and I dont have any 80%ers anyway. But any thoughts?

Section 29180 does not apply to or affect any of the
16following:
17(a) A firearm that has a serial number assigned to it pursuant to
18either Section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with
19Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the
20regulations issued pursuant thereto.
21(b) A firearm made or assembled prior to December 16, 1968,
22that is not a handgun.
23(c) A firearm which was entered into the centralized registry
24set forth in Section 11106 prior to July 1, 2018, as being owned
25by a specific individual or entity if that firearm has assigned to it
26a distinguishing number or mark of identification to that firearm
27by virtue of the department accepting entry of that firearm into the
28centralized registry.
29(d) A firearm that has a serial number assigned to it pursuant
30to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and the
31regulations issued pursuant thereto.
32(e) An antique firearm as defined in Section 479.11 of Title 27

[RRangel]

Originally Posted by aws1963

And his constituency will be applauding him with raspy voices and parched throats praising him for his wonderful concern for the children of CA. All the while waiting in line to board the shiny new high speed rail train to nowhere!

His constituency doesn't know what the heck is going on. Low voter turnout is the norm.

[Capybara]

You'd think after the humiliation he dealt himself in his "Ghost Gun" press conference debacle when he became the laughing stock of the Interwebs that he would have a little bit of self-control. Not only is this guy a crook, was indicted by the FBI in the Calderon investigation, he is really, really thick and loves being humiliated. Maybe we can pool our money and hire him a dominatrix to exorcise his demons with a little bit of whips and chains? He obviously loves punishment and humiliation? What a warped little world this cretin must exist in to continually make the focus of his career as a civil servant the tyranny and oppression of law abiding citizens. He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

[The Gleam]

Don't forget, or let this get lost in the minutiae.

[canid]

re: Sect 29181 (e)

I just noticed this today; has anybody noticed that it appears to suggests exemption of antique and C&R firearms but that 27 CFR 479.11 is not where C&R is defined?

I'm reasonably sure I'm viewing the current CFR (eCFR.gov). It looks like 478.11 and 479.11 have separate definitions of Antique Firearm and like only 478.11 defines C&R. Did I miss something?

[fuzz415]

Originally Posted by jdberger

The story is that Kevin DeLeon is an avid shotgunner. Can anyone verify?

lies, de leon would never be caught anywhere near a firearm. deleon said firearms kill children and bullets are heat seeking and can kill people from san diego to redding?

[Dutch3]

Originally Posted by jdberger

The story is that Kevin DeLeon is an avid shotgunner. Can anyone verify?

Hypocrite De Leon at an "Aim For a Cure" shotgun event a few years ago.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=435433

[Hammertime]

Shouldn't it be illegal to let ILLEGALS and released illegals from being free to roam in a gun rich environment?
Firing squad for all CA legislators?

[magnusson]

Is this bill still alive?

[Eljay]

Originally Posted by magnusson

Is this bill still alive?

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...01520160SB1407

It's doing the usual process of winding through the various steps all bills go through.

[The Gleam]

While I check this page frequently, sometimes several dozens times a day if a bill(s) are being heard, every few weeks while reading the California 2nd Amendment Political Discussion & Activism forum I realize focus is being lost, and I start seeing posts like "what should I get before the ban" and How do I register my AR15?".

This thread succinctly addresses this bill. It may need updates, but that's why it's being bumped and to get the importance of it back on the front page.

SOOooooo many of these bills are being ignored, forgotten or lost in the minutiae of how many Anti-2nd Amendment bills have been introduced this year, that it's exactly what these legislators have been hoping to do since the beginning - to create chaos, distraction, and an avalanche so cumbersome that most gun owners simply burn out, see it as futile, and go full-blown apathetic.

We can't let that happen.

[Gr8ride909]

How are they still in office??? These corrupt pols continue to strip our rights away. De leon is linked to several scandals including an fbi investigation.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA3103C20140402

[bigred12m]

This passed today. 😡😡😡 the language confuses me "This bill would, commencing July 1, 2018, and subject to exceptions, require a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark, as provided. The bill would, by January 1, 2019, and subject to exceptions, require any person who, as of July 1, 2018, owns a firearm that does not bear a serial number to likewise apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of identification"

So if it's owned before 1/1/18 you don't have to register?

[oakland1067]

So this is the mandatory registration of all firearms the Dems said they would never ask for

[bigred12m]

All firearms?! I was only thinking of home made guns but the way it reads... That's insane.


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[bigred12m]

"This bill would require a person to complete a firearms eligibility check before the department may grant an application for the assignment of a serial number or mark of identification."

So if your Grandpa gave you a 100 year old gun with serial number you would have to register it by 2018 and go through a background check?!

This is insane. It has to get vetoed.


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[Lone_Gunman]

Originally Posted by bigred12m

This passed today. 😡😡😡 the language confuses me "This bill would, commencing July 1, 2018, and subject to exceptions, require a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark, as provided. The bill would, by January 1, 2019, and subject to exceptions, require any person who, as of July 1, 2018, owns a firearm that does not bear a serial number to likewise apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of identification"

So if it's owned before 1/1/18 you don't have to register?

The way I read it, if you own it before 7-1-18 AND serialize it yourself, before that time, you do not have to apply for a serial number, so if you have 80% builds, you should put serial numbers on them now. (I think).

[bigred12m]

Originally Posted by Lone_Gunman

The way I read it, if you own it before 7-1-18 AND serialize it yourself, before that time, you do not have to apply for a serial number, so if you have 80% builds, you should put serial numbers on them now. (I think).

More confusing. Sounds like you could put a serial number and not register it. Lol. This whole thing is stupid. Welcome to California.

[Whiskey_Tango]

Originally Posted by Lone_Gunman

The way I read it, if you own it before 7-1-18 AND serialize it yourself, before that time, you do not have to apply for a serial number, so if you have 80% builds, you should put serial numbers on them now. (I think).

Yup

[bigred12m]

This one was vetoed but where does that leave us.

If it didn't have to be registered before the bullet button ban will it have to be registered after.

AB 1664 didn't mention home made guns at all.


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[phonso302]

Where does it say it was vetoed I missed it....

[bigred12m]

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html

Bottom of the article details the bills he signed and vetoed.

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[phonso302]

Might be a mistake I don't see it on the veto or signed list...

[bigred12m]

Originally Posted by phonso302

Might be a mistake I don't see it on the veto or signed list...

Dammit LA times. Does that mean he left it for Gavin...

[EBR Works]

Originally Posted by bigred12m

Dammit LA times. Does that mean he left it for Gavin...

Looks like it was not vetoed. Look at the official list from JB:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=19479
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[bigred12m]

Originally Posted by EBR Works

Looks like it was not vetoed. Look at the official list from JB:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/news.php?id=19479
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Yeah I was just looking at that. Not on either list it's a ghost bill har har

[phonso302]

So what happens now? Passes by default or good till next year?

[bigred12m]

If you read his letter about why he vetoed AB 1673 it seems like he would have vetoed SB 1407 as well.

Not sure what happens now. Somewhere I read it goes to Gavin while Jerry is on vacation.

The news is reporting the Ghost Gun bill got vetoed but it's not on the official list.


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