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06-06-2014, 8:02 PM
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I am officially pissed. If others see me making mistakes (which it seems others have or think they have, I probably have at one point or another), I want you to take me aside IMMEDIATELY and talk to me. Hell, ask me to leave; I'll try my best to do it if I am a safety issue. Safety is my biggest concern, and if you see me screwing up TELL ME. Seeing something wrong and not speaking up about it is just as bad. You're endangering others by letting something not safe pass. If someone screws up, bring it up then and there. If I or others mess up, it's not intentional, it means they didn't notice: let them know. Yelled at does nothing, but a stern talking to is a must. If others don't want me to come to the shoot, fine: I will not come to the shoot. Take a vote in the thread. These aren't MY shoots, they are the Calgun NorCal C&R shoots that I happen to plan. Edited to add: I am not upset at Justin, I am upset at whoever saw me F' up and didn't tell me.
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06-07-2014, 10:40 AM
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 No one should hesitate to speak up, immediately! Even if you only "think" something might be unsafe, call it out! Nobody should take offense with the person calling it out it either, whether they are mistaken or not. We are "all" range masters there, we all have an occasional lapse in focus, so we all have to monitor each other.
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06-07-2014, 12:48 PM
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06-07-2014, 1:55 PM
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I might add that shooting hard targets at close range is probably not a good idea. I have been hit several times with ricochet fragments at Spenceville and Oroville, including at Calguns shoots.
I was at Oroville a couple of weeks ago with Wicked Pete. Somebody (not a Calgunner as far as I know) set up a steel plate target at about 30 yards and began shooting it with a rifle. The plate was swinging around and jacket metal was flying everywhere. We left shortly.
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06-11-2014, 5:04 PM
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The day approacheth
 Two of our family friends have finally decided to learn to shoot; so two new shooters will be there. Both are the most level headed people I have ever met, and very common sense when it comes to safety. We've gone over the three cardinal rules a few times already, and they can recite them. I think they'll do well.
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06-15-2014, 8:01 PM
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Looks like I have 3 more coming with me.
Finally got the latch and combo dial broke loose on the gunsafe that's been froze up for 5 yrs, waiting on the manufacture to send me the lost combo. Hopefully I'll have it by the end of this week. Other than my Trap guns, I can't even remember what's in it!  On the bright side, it'll be like Xmas in June.
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06-15-2014, 9:53 PM
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 Alright, and as to anybody who is concerned about yours truly, safety wise: if I did in fact screw up, I am very, very sorry, and I mean that. It was not intentional, and was a gross slip up on my part, and I will do my best to never have that happen again. Safety has been, and will always be my first and main concern in regards to these shoots: the fact that I screwed up has shaken me to my core. Hence, I'm going to bring this up for a vote: An idea was thrown my way about a "probationary period", and I thought it deserved a group decision wether or not to adopt it. It goes like this: if you, shooter X, commit a safety violation, you are welcome back to shoot with the group on one condition: that at the next shoot, you ask someone there to be a shooting partner/range officer for you when you're shooting. They can be shooting next to you or something, but just have to keep an eye on you when you're shooting. If the range officer says that you did not break another rule and were safe, you're welcome back as a self-policing member. Does everyone think that this is an acceptable and sufficient disciplinary action? We all can make mistakes, but they should also not go unmentioned or just with a "don't do I again, bud" pat on the shoulder. That does not promote safety. And since we're on this topic, I'm going to emphasis it again: we are all range officers when we are there! If you see another person break a rule or do something unsafe, as a fellow shooter it is your responsibility to tell that person. It is dangerous not to do that and you are putting yourself, that shooter, and others at risk by NOT bringing it up. With all of this said, I am excited to see you all again, and am definitely going to be asking someone there to watch me while I shoot.
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06-15-2014, 10:48 PM
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We are suppose to be old enough to follow rules. If someone is told about a mistake they should correct it and not do it again. They should not need a mommy to watch them. If they prove to continue to be unsafe then they should leave. The group should help them to leave if needed.
There is no need to yell or belittle anyone about mistakes. Simply telling them and maybe offering a safe way should be enough. Remember when guys(usually not ladies) have a firearm they seem to get a big ego, full of themselves, etc and get real butt hurt when called on something they may or may not have done wrong. They also often lash out at anyone who points out the mistakes. This is not the way it should be but it is the way it happens. The trick is to correct mistakes without starting a scene.
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06-15-2014, 10:59 PM
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06-15-2014, 11:17 PM
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But, "should" and reality are sometimes two different things unfortunately: underlined in point. I think it would be a good second layer of safety to watch the shooter who messed up to make sure that it was just a slip up, and that the shooter is not in fact a fundamentally unsafe person that we do not want at the range. An in-depth safety check and review, basically. Is the 'probationary period' idea necessary? Probably not. But I am (and some others are as well) a huge proponent of the "rather safe than sorry" mantra when it comes to shooting, at least until it too regulated and complicated for its own good. Mind you, this could be a "too regulated" situation; I'm just being extremely cautious right now: call me Sally if I'm acting crazy about this. Quote:
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06-16-2014, 10:23 AM
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OK Sally
I have always kept an eye on anyone that has shown an unsafe manner. I do not need to hoover over them but I do pay attention. Actually I am aware of all those around me and the whole shooting line when at the range. It is just a habit I have developed over the years. Not just for safety but to see what they shoot and how they shoot. Maybe it is the teacher in me.
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06-16-2014, 1:02 PM
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NorCal C&R Shoot @ Oroville June 28th!
Still planning on being there.
How long is this event planned to be? Any ideas on how much ammo to bring? Minimum? Are folks shooting handguns as well, or should I just bring my sidearm and leave the rest at home? My current plan is a 10/22, an AR, a Mosin M39, and my new Winchester model 70. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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06-16-2014, 1:18 PM
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06-16-2014, 2:40 PM
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It goes as far as the last person stays; sometimes until 2PM or 3PM.
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06-16-2014, 5:36 PM
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Bring whatever you feel like shooting and enough ammo to feed it for as long as you want to stay. I'll likely bring a Mosin, a couple of Mausers, an AR, a Camp 9, a couple of .22 rifles, a 1911, a shotgun and some black powder pistols. Maybe less if the pile looks too big to clean afterward. 
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06-16-2014, 6:52 PM
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 Long range weather report has it at 60°L to 95°H. Still, that's a long time to stay at a shoot. 7-8 hours? I... may be out a bit sooner than that.
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06-17-2014, 6:06 AM
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06-17-2014, 8:22 AM
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06-17-2014, 8:45 AM
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I really wish I was going to be there with you guys.
Prepared birthing class instead.. all damn day long.
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06-17-2014, 9:16 AM
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We did that class. I wish I could go back and tell myself not to go. It seriously isn't worth it. At all. This was maybe a year ago? It's basically some woman ordering you to give your wife massages. You'll have to watch what others claim is a terrifying video (I just pretended it was a scene from Aliens). My suggestion? If you know how to read, know how to give a massage, and your wife doesn't want you "south of the sheet" (watching the baby actually come out), you don't need to go. Just have the wife bring you the pamphlet. Give her massages when she gets home. The thing which really pissed me off was when, after I've been running my *** off prepping a nursery, taking over the emptying of the litter box, taking over most of the household chores, etc... the nurse running the class had the audacity to say, "And now, partners, massage your wife's shoulders... it's the least you can do!" Now that' I've mentioned that to you, listen to that tone the teacher/nurse has when taking to you and your ilk (the impregnators!). Even my wife noticed! That all being said, enjoy the class! Bring a good book. For G-d's sake, get the epidural!
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06-17-2014, 10:46 AM
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Yes our first.
As for the nurse.. gotta love Feminism Wrecking Ball. I will try to restrain myself from making quips and sharp comments to the nurse if she starts to annoy me. Quote:
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06-17-2014, 12:33 PM
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 Anyway... shame we won't be crossing paths. Maybe next time?
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06-17-2014, 5:23 PM
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06-17-2014, 8:23 PM
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06-18-2014, 5:58 AM
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I went through one of those classes many years ago in YC. After working all day and then going through the relaxation routines, I fell asleep.
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06-18-2014, 8:08 AM
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My brother got me a father's day card. I am now.. father. I look forward to a wild ride.
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06-19-2014, 3:24 PM
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Aside from the class... It's all awesome. That's all I can say. Even the... ****ty moments. And this is coming from someone who doesn't like babies and has only ever held one (my own) in his whole life. Fathers Day was cool as well. Apparently my 8 month old bought me like $200 in powder and $200 in projectiles. I don't love her more for buying me components... but it doesn't hurt. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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06-19-2014, 4:40 PM
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I was drug through three miles of barbed wire, otherwise known as "the birthing classes". Ended up being twins, ...and they took em cesarean. Got the frozen up gun safe opened today! All shotguns with the exception of a mint condition Stevens .22/.410 O/U with Tenite stocks, and marked U.S.A.A.F. It was a survival gun that came out of my uncles B-29, never been fired. Two boxes of US marked 3" .410 #6 aluminum hulls with it.
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06-19-2014, 5:32 PM
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And unfired? *rubs eyes, reads again* That is SO AWESOME I CANNOT INTO WORDS HARBLEFLARBLEGARBLEBLAAAWGH *brain explodes* Seriously: pictures are required! That sounds just too cool!
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06-19-2014, 5:47 PM
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We need pics and details about this gun. oh and congrats to the soon-to-be dad. My first is nine months old and AWESOME fun.
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06-19-2014, 8:17 PM
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 Seriously, you have to show this bad boy off!
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06-19-2014, 9:09 PM
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Actually, my pos camera is having one of it's "bad days", I was trying to get some SKS stock refinish pics today, and it just wouldn't cooperate. Got the battery on the charger so I can try again tomorrow. Ian, not a Model 24, Savage made the Model 24 from 1950 on. The Stevens Model .22/.410 came out in 1938, and in 1950 was re-named the Model 24. The plastic Tenite stocks were used because of the wartime shortage of wood for stocks. The color case on the Stevens is fresh as the day it was made. The only marks on the Tenite stocks are from where they wedged them into the B-29 air frame. I'll get a group shot of all the bird killers too. Since my kid was the one that got the safe open, he's charging me the loan of my Jess Briley barreled S&W 1000 Trap gun. His Trap shooting buddy has been beating his Rem 1100 20ga by 1-3 clays every session with his tricked out Benelli 12ga. With the Full choke tube in the S&W, it will easily "dust" clays at 40yards. If he can't beat him with it, he has to clean all the shotguns.
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06-20-2014, 10:37 AM
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06-20-2014, 11:52 PM
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My wife's grandfather was a B-24 captain in Europe during the war. He would not talk about his experiences very much.
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06-21-2014, 11:24 AM
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Working on the pics. I got two group shots of the safe's contents, before the camera called it quits again. Couldn't use the wife's cam, she took it with her to the gathering of hillbillies, aka her family reunion (you have no idea how happy I am that I got out attending that) . I'll see if this camera will cooperate long enough to get them loaded to the PC, and posted.
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The Bird Killers
  Left to right 12ga S&W 1000 Trap 12ga S&W 1000 Skeet 12ga Browning 525 Grade III, (with dust still on the buttstock) 12ga Browning Upland 12ga Browning Featherlite Upland (still need to get a Positive ID on this one, serial number code doesn't match) 20ga Fausti Field II .410 Fausti DEA 20ga Fox Model B 12ga Winchester Model 24 Stevens .22/.410 Upper right 12lb Snowshoe Birman, self cleaning, but short range only, will only cycle from the bed to the food dish and back Perturbed that "her" bed is covered in shotguns.
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06-21-2014, 1:48 PM
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^^^ I bet that 12lber get expensive to feed.
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I would have been ,but all my $$$ is going to the kids college fund now..ironic as its a super liberal east coast school...hahaha I should wear one my Nugent concert tees to parent day. Glad you got that thing open!!! ****ohhh just saw picture with the Fox!!!!**** Last edited by w55; 06-21-2014 at 2:04 PM..
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Some shooters are not as familiar with shooting or gun handling and I don't feel we should ban them without trying to teach them first. That is why I was trying to get everyone to help watch and patrol each other. I don't want others to think they should not speak up when issues arrive. I have no issues getting involved for safety sake and if I make enemy's over it so be it. If it was me I would not like getting yelled at but even experienced shooters can make mistakes and need to be told to pay attention.
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