Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Curio & Relic/Black Powder
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Curio & Relic/Black Powder Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-20-2019, 3:44 PM
jrandydavis jrandydavis is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 11
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Help ID this WWII gun

Hello, need some help with ID of this gun from my father's collection. No idea what it is, he just referred to it as the 'old Japanese gun' when I was a kid. Any idea what it is or might be worth would be most helpful as I try to find new homes for his firearms.
Thank you,
RD
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_5117.jpg (96.6 KB, 259 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5116.jpg (95.2 KB, 200 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_5118.jpg (91.2 KB, 170 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-20-2019, 3:53 PM
john myers john myers is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: 94806
Posts: 490
iTrader: 39 / 100%
Default

https://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...1673_p1_o6.cfm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-20-2019, 3:56 PM
firefly416 firefly416 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 236
iTrader: 12 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrandydavis View Post
Hello, need some help with ID of this gun from my father's collection. No idea what it is, he just referred to it as the 'old Japanese gun' when I was a kid. Any idea what it is or might be worth would be most helpful as I try to find new homes for his firearms.
Thank you,
RD
It is an Arisaka from the Japanese military. Any pics of the engraving on the top of the receiver? I am going to guess it's a Type 38.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-20-2019, 4:21 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

7.7mm Arisaka Type 99 Kokura Arsenal Series 8 is my guess from what I can see. I was thinking long rifle, but this data sheet is short rifle - ?

http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/99ds2010e.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-20-2019, 4:31 PM
spoof145's Avatar
spoof145 spoof145 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Copper
Posts: 341
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

type 38 or type 99.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-20-2019, 4:37 PM
edgerly779 edgerly779 is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: canoga park, ca
Posts: 12,897
iTrader: 89 / 100%
Default

Sons of nippon round eye killer. (LOL) Yes arisaka
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-20-2019, 6:17 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Maybe series 25 now that I take a closer look. My eyes suck. Check the series number yourself on the data sheet. http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/99ds2010e.pdf It is right near the top of the first page of the data sheet.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-20-2019, 6:18 PM
jrandydavis jrandydavis is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 11
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thank you gents! This one has the bayonet as well. What markings/features would help distinguish the Type 38 from 99? I'll try to get a pic of the top engravings when I go back this week.
John Myers-- thanks for the link. The prices listed vary widely it seems, and for reasons I'm not entirely sure of. Hard to know what to ask for on this one.
RD
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-20-2019, 6:26 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

One hole on top of receiver is Type 99, two hole is Type 38.

If your rifle has a wooden buttplate it is a last ditch type rifle made near the end of the war.

Stock and stain look original. Original slings are rare, unknown if your sling is original in that rough shape it is in. Are you going to post pics of the top of the receiver and the bayonet?

Last edited by Rogerbutthead; 08-20-2019 at 6:28 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-20-2019, 8:56 PM
God Bless America's Avatar
God Bless America God Bless America is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 4,959
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

Mum is ground. Looks like it says 38.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-20-2019, 11:42 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

You are right. Last picture shows one hole too far to the left of center to be a Type 99. So it probably is a Type 38. http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/38ds.pdf I haven't seen a notched safety knob on a Type 38 before, made me think it was a Type 99.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 08-21-2019, 5:11 AM
beerman's Avatar
beerman beerman is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,069
iTrader: 29 / 100%
Default

No front top handguard...Type 38. Valuing Arisakas have a lot of factors involved. #1 originality... Mum intact? Matching numbers on all serialized components.
#2 Rarity of maker and #3 number of features remaining as most are missing parts like dust covers,monopods, Aircraft sight wings (commonly missing or broke off) and original slings.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 08-21-2019, 1:18 PM
highpower's Avatar
highpower highpower is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Cold Springs, NV
Posts: 3,452
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Actually Type 38 serial numbers can be different from Type 99's. They have assembly numbers on parts like the bolt which will be different from the serial number. Also pre 1933 Type 38's don't have series numbers, they are serial numbered sequentially. That was changed in 1933 when they too began being numbered in blocks of 99,999 with a different series number for each block.

I am fortunate to have a early type 38, made around 1913 in original condition.

Notice the lack of any series kanji:


Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 08-21-2019, 7:15 PM
jrandydavis jrandydavis is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2018
Posts: 11
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Wow that's a beaut. Thanks for all the additional info.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 08-22-2019, 2:55 PM
Jarhead Jarhead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,416
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogerbutthead View Post
You are right. Last picture shows one hole too far to the left of center to be a Type 99. So it probably is a Type 38. http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/38ds.pdf I haven't seen a notched safety knob on a Type 38 before, made me think it was a Type 99.
Would you have a Data Sheet for a Type 44?

Also have a Type 2 Paratrooper, plus a Last Ditch in addition to two 99ís and 38.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-22-2019, 3:22 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Japanese rifle/Arisaka data sheets - http://www.castle-thunder.com/datas.htm

Type 44 Carbine - http://www.castle-thunder.com/datasheets/44ds.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-22-2019, 3:29 PM
Rogerbutthead's Avatar
Rogerbutthead Rogerbutthead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,342
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

To add to the data dump on Arisaka rifles - a lot of collectors are rudely surprised when working on their stocks about the finish used on the rifles. It is something called "urushi" - some sort of variety of Sumac - which can give you a rash/contact dermatitis.

https://www.gunboards.com/sites/banz...h/UpM99Fin.htm
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 08-22-2019, 6:03 PM
Jarhead Jarhead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,416
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Thank You!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 2:14 AM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.