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The first legal animal I see gets a killin. After that I pick and choose. If it's legal it's none of my business.
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So, you're against all the people who KILL insects and other animals by hitting them with their cars? I mean, think of all the squirrels and bugs that are needlessly killed just so someone can get from point A to point B faster than walking. Yes, killing a bug via a windshield is far more idiotic than trophy hunting is. At least hunters admit that they are killing. All the idiotic drivers who are against trophy hunting have problems trying to justify that they needlessly take thousands of innocent lives every year without any part of the critter going to good use.

There is no reason to kill insects just to get somewhere fast. You can walk instead of driving! Sorry, you can't justify "having to drive" anywhere.
What is really idiotic (and desperate) is comparing unintentional killing of an animal with a vehicle with deliberately killing an animal while trophy hunting.
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What is really idiotic (and desperate) is comparing unintentional killing of an animal with a vehicle with deliberately killing an animal while trophy hunting.
So, what is your view on trophy hunting? Haven't seen an opinion by you in either of trophy hunting threads except for some snark comments.
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What is really idiotic (and desperate) is comparing unintentional killing of an animal with a vehicle with deliberately killing an animal while trophy hunting.
There is no difference between trophy hunting and hunting deer, except the fact that trophy hunted animals would be extinct but for the trophy fees.

People domt need to hunt to eat in the us, all hunting is recreational.

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I am sorry I haven't read the whole thread, but I am sure 'environmental conservation' is under the OP's 'standards for hunting.' Whether for food, trophy, or pure sport, some animals must have their population reduced to preserve their health and welfare. Ducks are a perfect example. I only hunt fowl, but I do know most American animals that are legally hunted are for their benefit as well as ours.
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I agree %100 with you. No point in owning an AR-15, don’t see how shooting assault rifles brings joy to someone.
Ya, that’s you, that’s what you sound like.

I don’t hunt at all, but that doesn’t mean I want to ban others from pursuing life, liberty, and happiness.

Some ****ing weak sauce conservatives here.
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1. that is not eaten, providing valuable leather, clothing, boots or shoes or otherwise benefiting the health of mankind in any way
2. for trophy
3. for profit UNLESS the killed animal for commerce fulfills a human need as meat: farmers and ranchers have to make a living
4. to feel like a he-man
5. that is NOT a pest or a varmint
6. that is not a danger or threat to man or his domestic animals
7. that is not an invasive species

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8. unless the animal otherwise needs to be put down humanely for serious injury, pain or illness


I say that as an American gun owner, hunter and even as a Republican voter. I hope Donald Trump does not lift any ban for hunting elephants and rhinos for ivory.
Mark Levin, an American gun owner and hunter himself, is talking about this on radio right now and I agree with this man on this issue. It was on my mind to share here.

There is no reason to kill a giraffe, lion or tiger for sport.
I agree 100% with you. But, I gotta admit, reading the responses is quite amusing; especially the desperate attempts to justify trophy hunting by calling it "Conservation." With our overpopulation issue, just think how many people's lives we'd save if we did the same thing.
Yeah...we're killing animals for trophies for their own good. In fact, we're heroes for doing it.
It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
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Here is an excellent article that describes both the benefits and problems of trophy hunting in Saharan Africa. Perhaps after reading this a person may not describe the idea as pathetic.

http://www.fao.org/3/contents/7bd5a6...8/aj114e09.pdf
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Where money is involved, there will always be creative justifications for anything - from excessive prescribing of drugs to trophy hunting.
There are other ways to create profit than causing needless suffering.
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Where money is involved, there will always be creative justifications for anything - from excessive prescribing of drugs to trophy hunting.
There are other ways to create profit than causing needless suffering.
The question remains why you feel so passionate about limiting the freedom of others based on your personal distaste for their hobby? This is the exact same MO as those that want to ban guns.
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The question remains why you feel so passionate about limiting the freedom of others based on your personal distaste for their hobby? This is the exact same MO as those that want to ban guns.
^ this

I don't like it so it should be banned.
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Where money is involved, there will always be creative justifications for anything - from excessive prescribing of drugs to trophy hunting.
There are other ways to create profit than causing needless suffering.
Ok, what, in your mind, is "needed" suffering? Let's hear the definition.
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I say that as an American gun owner, hunter and even as a Republican voter. I hope Donald Trump does not lift any ban for hunting elephants and rhinos for ivory.
Mark Levin, an American gun owner and hunter himself, is talking about this on radio right now and I agree with this man on this issue. It was on my mind to share here.

There is no reason to kill a giraffe, lion or tiger for sport.
Donald trump can't control a foreign sovereign country. He can change laws on importation but he can't lift any law in any foreign country.
You need to read up on civics on how country's are ruled and governed.

Now as to your other points. nearly all big game hunting in Africa in this day and age is done so to benefit the local communities be it tribes or cities. Yes there are still canned hunts with fenced in animals. hell that happens in Texas let along 6000 miles away in Africa. The majority of the game taken in Africa for trophy hunting the animal is given to the locals tribes less the hide and mount. So your whole Giraffe Lion or Tiger argument don't hold water.
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I support hunters and hunting here more than anyone. However, it's not for me. I prefer to hunt with a Cannon DSLR. I have a soft spot for animals.
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I agree 100% with you. But, I gotta admit, reading the responses is quite amusing; especially the desperate attempts to justify trophy hunting by calling it "Conservation." With our overpopulation issue, just think how many people's lives we'd save if we did the same thing.
Yeah...we're killing animals for trophies for their own good. In fact, we're heroes for doing it.
It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Facts not your strong suit? The pathetic here is the fingers in the ears disnefird "I'm not listening " attitude of the bambiests.

It's a fact. And I don't trophy hunt, so I don't think I it makes me a hero.

But for the money from trophy hunting, the paltry sums donated by anti hunters, like you, guarantees that trophy animals are extinct in three years.

Deal with it.
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Well, then you're obviously not macho enough. Real men kill things...just because they can.
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Meat hunting: Game meat is about the most expensive protein on the planet. I don't know of anyone who doesn't try to get the most meat off the animal that they can. For any who don't see the logical self-interest of that, there are wanton waste laws that legally require you to salvage as much meat as is reasonably possible.

Sport Hunting: All hunting in the context of modern society is for sport. We do it because we enjoy it. Period. Full stop. The antis hate that we enjoy hunting and try to make some sort of distinction about "enjoying killing" - as if anyone would hunt if they didn't like it (see where they are going?) They are right about one thing however, for anyone not living in subsistence economy/culture, hunting is not necessary for survival. But they don't really want anyone to hunt for meat either. They just cannot currently gin up enough support to ban it. But they are working on it.

Trophy hunting: Once you have a tag, nearly everyone will try to get the biggest buck or bull they can, if only for the added challenge over taking the doe or the first fork horn you see. And the vast majority will in some manner display the head and/or antlers, horns or pelt. That is essentially trophy hunting. All legally pursued species are taken under a permit and quota system that puts the health of the species above hunting so there is no environmental threat in it. If you don't want to hunt a given species, then don't. That is your right. However, it is not your right to extend your preference and impose your arbitrary and personal morality on others engaged in a legal activities who happen to believe differently.

So meat hunting is sport hunting is trophy hunting. Its all the same thing balled up together. Don't buy in this phony divide-and-conquer argument that seeks draw fake distinctions solely to demonize one form of hunting in order to ban it, species by species, before turning their sights on the next form of hunting. We all know this strategy when it comes to gun bans. Its no different here.
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Well, then you're obviously not macho enough. Real men kill things...just because they can.
An almost identical argument to that made by anti gun people: inadequate men need firearms to compensate and thats why they carry a gun.

I wonder why the arguments are identical?

Similarly, flatly declaring that someone elses legal hobby has no “reason”, “there is no reason to own a weapon of war” vs “there is no reason to trophy hunt.

I think we have found the problem here.
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An almost identical argument to that made by anti gun people: inadequate men need firearms to compensate and thats why they carry a gun.

I wonder why the arguments are identical?

Similarly, flatly declaring that someone elses legal hobby has no “reason”, “there is no reason to own a weapon of war” vs “there is no reason to trophy hunt.

I think we have found the problem here.
We certainly have. Your mind is made up & you'd rather not be confronted with logic.
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Meat hunting: Game meat is about the most expensive protein on the planet. I don't know of anyone who doesn't try to get the most meat off the animal that they can. For any who don't see the logical self-interest of that, there are wanton waste laws that legally require you to salvage as much meat as is reasonably possible.

Sport Hunting: All hunting in the context of modern society is for sport. We do it because we enjoy it. Period. Full stop. The antis hate that we enjoy hunting and try to make some sort of distinction about "enjoying killing" - as if anyone would hunt if they didn't like it (see where they are going?) They are right about one thing however, for anyone not living in subsistence economy/culture, hunting is not necessary for survival. But they don't really want anyone to hunt for meat either. They just cannot currently gin up enough support to ban it. But they are working on it.

Trophy hunting: Once you have a tag, nearly everyone will try to get the biggest buck or bull they can, if only for the added challenge over taking the doe or the first fork horn you see. And the vast majority will in some manner display the head and/or antlers, horns or pelt. That is essentially trophy hunting. All legally pursued species are taken under a permit and quota system that puts the health of the species above hunting so there is no environmental threat in it. If you don't want to hunt a given species, then don't. That is your right. However, it is not your right to extend your preference and impose your arbitrary and personal morality on others engaged in a legal activities who happen to believe differently.

So meat hunting is sport hunting is trophy hunting. Its all the same thing balled up together. Don't buy in this phony divide-and-conquer argument that seeks draw fake distinctions solely to demonize one form of hunting in order to ban it, species by species, before turning their sights on the next form of hunting. We all know this strategy when it comes to gun bans. Its no different here.
You are quite mistaken. I'm not anti hunting for those who want to do it. I'm anti killing an animal just to hang its head on a dining room wall to impress your friends with your "bravery."
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We certainly have. Your mind is made up & you'd rather not be confronted with logic.
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We are welcome to your opinion, and to express it in as many coloful ways as you wish, but to call it logic seems to defy the definition.
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We certainly have. Your mind is made up & you'd rather not be confronted with logic.
Logic? Youre the one allegic to logic. The facts are there is no need to hunt anything in modern america, but you've decided there are tiers of hunting based on arbitrary distinctions. You have no response to the fact that fees from trophy hunting pay 95% or so of expenses associated with rangers and orher wilflife protection. Without these fees, lions, rhinos and elephants are gone inside three years.

Your “logic” is a claim that some macho need is the only explanation for something you dont understand, so you attack their manhood.

Tell me more about the thing you call logic.
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You are quite mistaken. I'm not anti hunting for those who want to do it. I'm anti killing an animal just to hang its head on a dining room wall to impress your friends with your "bravery."
Its not your business what others do or why, nor is it your place to make up subjective reasons you think they do what they do, nor is it your place to claim the reason isnt good enough.

If someone started bloviating aboht why you do a particular hobby, i am confident you wouldn't be swayed by their position.
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Its not your business what others do or why, nor is it your place to make up subjective reasons you think they do what they do, nor is it your place to claim the reason isnt good enough.

If someone started bloviating aboht why you do a particular hobby, i am confident you wouldn't be swayed by their position.
No, I wouldn't be swayed. Because none of my hobbies cause needless suffering.
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I just read all the posts in this thread And I believe this statement to be false.
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No, not because of that.

Who defines need? Tell me what suffering is “needed”. No deer needs to die to feed an AMerican, we have plenty of alternative food. But in your eyes, thats ok, you dont care about deer. Although there are more guys out to kill a trophy deer than the exotics.

But killing a deer doesn't cause any more suffering than shooting a trophy animal.

So no, despite your trite talking point, that’s not it.
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Wrong. Demonstrably WRONG.

THERE IS A REASON TO TROPHY HUNT.

And I don't mean that someone wants to, and it's legal, so it's not up to you what anyone else does within these parameters. Though that IS a reason. Your declaration that there is no reason is as meaningful as someone who tells me there is no reason to own and AR rifle, a fast car, or a tailored suit.

No, I didn't mean any of that. I meant you should educate yourself before speaking. The trophy animals, all of them, rhinos, elephants, lion, ALL of them are targets of poachers so Chinese businessmen can get dick pills.

The reason they are not currently extinct is simple. Rich guys will pay big bucks to hunt specific, carefully chosen specimens chosen to ensure genetic diversity and maximum breeding. The money from these legal hunts goes DIRECTLY to hire game wardens who protect the viable breeding stock left over after the hunt. Well over 90% of the money that hires these wardens comes from hunters. Not photographers. Not Leo DiCaprio. Trophy hunters.

Stop trophy hunting, and you ENSURE that lions, rhinos, elephants are ALL EXTINCT in the wild inside a few years.

Period.
Many people who are against hunting in general will never even bother to see the benefit of hunting let alone so called "trophy hunting". It's all about feelings and ZERO facts.

they never ever bother mention that poaching is the true enemy of wildlife.
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Mods please kill this thread. All numbered points about feelings have been addressed with actual FACTS about hunting. Has anyone ever seen a cow behind the steakhouse? I’m going to go kill something now...
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There is no reason to kill a giraffe, lion or tiger for sport.
unless you can do it hand to hand. teeth to theeth.
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unless you can do it hand to hand. teeth to theeth.
Obviously you have never gone bare hands with a giraffe.

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I just read all the posts in this thread And I believe this statement to be false.
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...hell that happens in Texas let along 6000 miles away in Africa.
Way more than 6,000 miles to many places in Africa. I made that flight recently, before and after shooting a bunch of critters.
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Because It's legal and some people enjoy doing it. SCI provides a huge influx of cash to Africa.
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That's awfully rich-white-american of you.

Ask the Africans who survive on that meat, that money, or that not-getting-eaten-by-the-tiger.
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At any rate,

That obigears elephant thing? easy come, easy go.


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i wonder how these anti-hunting folks feel about halal meat.
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i wonder how these anti-hunting folks feel about halal meat.
As long as they are participating in the holy ritual of paying somebody else to do the icky part, they are fine with it.
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