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Blink and it's gone: roster changes
I don't know when it happened, but I recently learned the M&P 9/40 went off roster. While I didn't like the trigger reset I thought the ergonomics were okay and they were the only on-roster option with a left-handed slide catch. No more. (Yes I'm out of touch but since I can buy off-roster stuff, I do.)
So as a firearm instructor, what's out there to recommend to first time/beginner shooters? Entry level it seems like the three major choices are either the Glock Gen3, Springfield XD or Sig SP2022. That's it. Are there any other sub-$600 semi-auto pistols you consider a good first purchase? (No, I don't think 1911 platforms are a good beginner choice.) Are there any semi-auto pistols on the roster that have left-handed or ambi slide catches at any price? Thanks for your help. |
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To the list you mention above, I'd add the Beretta Px4 Storm...provided the intended shooter is looking for a DA/SA firearm with a decocking safety as opposed to a striker fired pistol.
Frankly, in the price range you mention, there aren't very many good options. Thanks California.
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I'm not sure M&P has ever been on the roster. Anyone knows for sure?
As far as I know, Shields were the last ones to be added and the rest of the M&P semi-auto line never made it...
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People knock them, but so far, I'm pleased with my purchase of an SD9VE.
It's trigger is definitely crap. Mine is fairly consistent on pull, but it's easily an 8+ lb pull. I love it as a range gun. Stiff trigger makes my focus a bit harder on trigger control, but it's definitely not a big deal after some time on the range. So far, about 500 rounds through it, no problems. I'm not awesome, but I can shoot it just as well as my P226. Another budget pistol people don't tend to review well is the P22. My wife and I love it. Had two misfires, that were determined to be bad primers. I think one FTE if I recall correctly. This is all using bricks of winchester/remington/federal. Great for learning the basics. If someone is truly looking for entry level semi auto pistol on a budget, I would recommend these. If they have the cash, a Ruger Mk III or a Glock for higher quality options. Shame the M&P 9 is off-roster. That was what I originally wanted, until I had the same rude awakening. |
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For beginners, suitable guns that are on the roster would be:
Polymer Striker: - Glock - XD Polymer Hammer: - HK P2000, USP - Beretta PX 4 Steel Hammer: - Beretta 92 - CZ SP-01/P-01/75 BD - Sig 2022 - Sig P226/229 You also have some larger Kahrs that are really nice, but the trigger is a bit more difficult to master. (I haven't limited to your specific price range since some of the above can be had used, while others fall into the price range, but are hard to find.)
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Hk P2000/P2000sk are on roster and Ambi - a little more than $600 though. But they also come in several trigger mode options. Last edited by SkyHawk; 01-17-2018 at 3:45 PM.. |
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I personally recommend a Glock 19 to everyone who is looking for a good pistol to start with. It was my 2nd pistol after a PX4 and I honestly parted with my Beretta shortly after purchasing it. |
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Fell off roster a number of years ago OP..
I only say the Glock since resale value is through through the roof. How? Idk, but people get $500 all day in the marketplace for them. I’d ultimately recommend you take them to a shop and have them hold and pull the trigger on all of the guns listed above. From the guns above, and in your price range, I love the HK P2000 with the LEM trigger. The P2K has taken the place of my G19
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Good food for thought.
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Like I said, normally the roster isn't a consideration when I shop. Once I purchased a couple M&Ps as training pistols I (wrongly) assumed they would stay on-roster. Now they aren't the main reason I've kept them is gone. |
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Went off roster at the end of of 2015. I bought both 9's, full size and compact. Very nice guns.
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How about the Hi-Point C9? It’s cheap around $200. Lifetime warranty. Made in America. Beginners will have a great platform to learn about clearing jams. Impact guns has it on sale for $136.99...WOW!
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You didn't miss much. They were nanny state M&Ps with mag disco. The free state versions were and still are more desireable.
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[QUOTE=Gun Kraft;21167605]I don't know when it happened, but I recently learned the M&P 9/40 went off roster.
Smith & Wesson announced in Jan 2014 that they would not be renewing most of their semi-auto pistols. they allowed the pistols on the roster to expire. The M&P was de-certified in Aug 2014. |
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Sweet. Pay a little extra, and don't look back.
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I have two of these, one with DA/SA and one with light LEM trigger. They are great pistols and the prices have come down significantly in the past couple years.
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The other two are also solid guns. Even if other guns were available, I'd still recommend the Gen3 Glock to a beginner (and I have done so). I'm not even a raving fanboi, just a realist.
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Dear firearm instructor...
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Is your firearm instruction limited to semi-auto pistols? Will you still instruct a student if he or she prefers an el cheapo RIA M206 or any pricey revolvers like S&W, Ruger and Taurus? IMO, revolvers are effective training platforms for "first time/beginner shooters". Just asking...
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The reason I’m asking about semi-autos here is because they fall off roster much faster than revolvers. The revolver models I’ve recommended (Ruger, S&W) are still on the roster. |
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I'm with a non-profit in the bay area that has been teaching a monthly all-day basic pistol class since the 80s. I'll take a stab at your question....
It really depends on what fits the student's hands and their preferences. Suggesting a striker fired pistol as "the" introductory pistol is not a good idea, as it isn't a good suggestion for everyone. Students with hand injuries can sometimes find themselves in a position where a revolver is really what they need, whereas a student with a elbow injury might need something that soaks up recoil better then a revolver. We find that students who have very small hands actually do much better with a 1911 as the grip size is much smaller then any double stack gun. Learning the safety isn't that big of a hurdle, as long as the student understands that is isn't an optional component of the manual of arms for that platform. Our group makes a verity of pistols available to try during the class so that the students can understand their mode of operation. A pistol isn't so complicated that someone can't figure out on their own which type they prefer to try first after a day of instruction. The roster makes this tough, as it means that we need to be able to purchase new demonstration models often enough to "keep up" with things changing. This would be the same problem without the roster though, as the industry does discontinue models on a regular basis. We would welcome other instructors in the area to view our class. Send me a PM and I'll give you our contact information. Our instructors are not paid and our classes are run nearly "at cost". There are no "trade secrets" that we would keep from other instructors. The more well trained new shooters we can get in this area, the better. Last edited by unusedusername; 01-18-2018 at 1:10 PM.. |
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