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Old 08-16-2016, 6:51 PM
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Default 'Bout time! LASD finally approves 1911's, Glocks and .380's

JDIC message came out today. Colts, S&W's, Springfields, Wilson combat, Kimbers and a few other 1911's in 9mm and .45acp approved for duty and off-duty.

-Glock 9mm and 45's (various modles) all approved.

Ruger and S&W "body guard" .380's approved.

It's about stinkin time!
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Old 08-16-2016, 6:54 PM
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Off-duty weapons had to be approved by the department? Dang. My department allows anything to be carried off-duty. On-duty is a slightly different story. We just recently made a switch from Sigs to Glocks in the last few years, however, it's pretty much Glock through and through in 9mm.
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Yep... Very happy day...

1911 will be a 2-day class and require expert qualification on the bonus-pay 25yd course of fire within a year prior to the course and Glocks will require previous M&P Certification to take the class.

The 1911 class will be fun... worth the two days.

The two .380s besides the Glock 42 will be just like any other off-duty semi auto.
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Good news...I hope there is no accidental discharge with the new firearms like they had with M&Ps.

Too bad that approval came after my retirement. But.... I can carry any gun now, so it doesn't really matter anyways..
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Off-duty weapons had to be approved by the department? Dang. My department allows anything to be carried off-duty. On-duty is a slightly different story. We just recently made a switch from Sigs to Glocks in the last few years, however, it's pretty much Glock through and through in 9mm.
Yeah with any big department, it takes an act of God to get anything approved.

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Yep... Very happy day...

1911 will be a 2-day class and require expert qualification on the bonus-pay 25yd course of fire within a year prior to the course and Glocks will require previous M&P Certification to take the class.

The 1911 class will be fun... worth the two days.
If one can't qualify with the 1911, one should carry any gun at all. Lol..... It's not some magical wizard weapon.

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Good news...I hope there is no accidental discharge with the new firearms like they had with M&Ps.
You know there will be with a dept the size of LASD. They had ND's with the 92F's and the m&p's.
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Old 08-16-2016, 7:28 PM
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Next step.....getting AW's for personal purchase approved. That's been on the round table now since Uncle Jimmy became sheriff.
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If there was one good thing about the recent unpleasantries involving unintentional discharges, it's that I think people are listening to the WTU a bit more than in the past.

Those who attend training on any firearm, but especially this new wizz-bang stuff, will keenly understand that what has been given can be taken away... and they certainly don't want to be the reason for that. We've been given full authority to hold people to a standard and while not unreasonable, it will be an accomplishment to strap on a 1911.
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Gee, which do I buy first, a Wilson Combat or the new black dress jacket and "cap"?
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Yeah with any big department, it takes an act of God to get anything approved.
I guess I'm lucky. Our department is one of the biggest SDs in CA with over 2000 sworn.

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Next step.....getting AW's for personal purchase approved. That's been on the round table now since Uncle Jimmy became sheriff.
Hahaha. Good luck. That's definitely something I don't see happening in any department. Not in CA, anyway.
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Yep... Very happy day...

1911 will be a 2-day class and require expert qualification on the bonus-pay 25yd course of fire within a year prior to the course and Glocks will require previous M&P Certification to take the class.

The 1911 class will be fun... worth the two days.

The two .380s besides the Glock 42 will be just like any other off-duty semi auto.
Sounds like your boss is bringing over the exact firearm policies from his former employer (LAPD). Good for you guys.
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Old 08-16-2016, 9:04 PM
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Sounds like your boss is bringing over the exact firearm policies from his former employer (LAPD). Good for you guys.
Yep... Except he didn't bring it...

We shoved it up to him and he was like "cool"...
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Off-duty weapons had to be approved by the department? Dang. My department allows anything to be carried off-duty. On-duty is a slightly different story. We just recently made a switch from Sigs to Glocks in the last few years, however, it's pretty much Glock through and through in 9mm.
I work for a smaller/midsized dept and we still have to get our off duty weapons approved and qualify with them. We have pretty strict guidelines
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Glad to see large departments coming to the defensive weapon table with an open mind! It's nice to see shooters when their gun fits and they are comfortable with it! One size does not fit all! Have fun with your new options!
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Old 08-16-2016, 11:29 PM
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I once got a good deal on a S&W snub revolver because some PD back around 2004 said no more revolvers at all even as backups. A local gun shop acquired a pile of them on consignment I think they were actually issued model 640's as backups by the PD I should have bought one of those too. Kind of a strange policy they implemented.
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They are saying LASD deputies will be issued an ar15 in the future. It will be your personal rifle and they are going to get away from the pool guns. We will see how long that takes.
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My G43 is on the off duty list....Boom!!!
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Thats awesome, good that Lasd is giving there Deputies the tools that help them protect the community from danger, get home to there families and protecting them as well. It would be nice to see them update there patrol cars also.
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JDIC message came out today. Colts, S&W's, Springfields, Wilson combat, Kimbers and a few other 1911's in 9mm and .45acp approved for duty and off-duty.
A project 35 years in the making?
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A big Thank You to SCD!

If it wasn't for him, this project would not have been done and quickly and as effectively.
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Old 08-17-2016, 5:25 PM
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Been carrying my G19 as my primary for a while now, liking it more than the full size. For whatever reason
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A big Thank You to SCD!

If it wasn't for him, this project would not have been done and quickly and as effectively.
Ditto!

I need to borrow some of SCD's juice - I can't get nothing approved...
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I bought a CZ P-07 and a P-09. My armorer contacted me and reminded me that CZ is not on our approved list. Whoops.....
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Hahaha. Good luck. That's definitely something I don't see happening in any department. Not in CA, anyway.
There are multiple agencies in NorCal that allow personal AR' s on duty. San Jose PD has a few hundred personal AR's rolling around.
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Gee, which do I buy first, a Wilson Combat or the new black dress jacket and "cap"?
Yeah, that fugly jacket and cap thing sure came out of left field. They should have brought back the Ike jacket and 8 point cap. I was issued an Ike jacket in 1978 but they had stopped issuing the cap and cap piece shortly before I was hired.
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There are multiple agencies in NorCal that allow personal AR' s on duty. San Jose PD has a few hundred personal AR's rolling around.
Maybe I misunderstood what TrailerparkTrash meant. I thought he meant allowing AWs, in general, for personal purchase and not specifically for duty use. Since we need a letter to be able to buy an AW and generally we only get one letter.

My department allows us to buy our own rifles for duty use or we can use whatever we're issued.
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I'm retired, but my old agency didn't dictate what guns you can use, but what calibers you can carry on and off duty by mandatory use of department issue ammo. .380 being the smallest and 45 acp being the biggest.
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JDIC message came out today. Colts, S&W's, Springfields, Wilson combat, Kimbers and a few other 1911's in 9mm and .45acp approved for duty and off-duty.

-Glock 9mm and 45's (various modles) all approved.

Ruger and S&W "body guard" .380's approved.

It's about stinkin time!
Congratulations. Let those who ride decide. Kudos to LASO..

Stay Safe guys.
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Off-duty weapons had to be approved by the department? Dang. My department allows anything to be carried off-duty. On-duty is a slightly different story. We just recently made a switch from Sigs to Glocks in the last few years, however, it's pretty much Glock through and through in 9mm.
Not only do they have to be approved you have to be able to qualify with them too.
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JDIC message came out today. Colts, S&W's, Springfields, Wilson combat, Kimbers and a few other 1911's in 9mm and .45acp approved for duty and off-duty.

-Glock 9mm and 45's (various modles) all approved.

Ruger and S&W "body guard" .380's approved.

It's about stinkin time!
Yep that was great news. I have always liked Glocks so I went and bought a G17 this morning..
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Maybe I misunderstood what TrailerparkTrash meant. I thought he meant allowing AWs, in general, for personal purchase and not specifically for duty use. Since we need a letter to be able to buy an AW and generally we only get one letter.

My department allows us to buy our own rifles for duty use or we can use whatever we're issued.
^^^ Yeah I meant AW purchase approval letters for on duty use, but that will never happen I'm afraid.

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I have always liked Glocks so I went and bought a G17 this morning..
^^^ I LOVE the G17!!!!! I have one myself and I just might carry it as well. I'll put it in my rotation of "weapon systems" I carry throughout the year.

I'm gonna have to rib SocalDep a lil bit and b!tch about not getting the G20 10mm approved!!! After all, it's the KING of on-duty carry!
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^^^^ Then that does suck! Do they allow personally purchased rifles for any division in LASD? SWAT has to he allowed to get what they want, at least?

Do they even allow personally purchased shotguns for duty use?
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I'm gonna have to rib SocalDep a lil bit and b!tch about not getting the G20 10mm approved!!! After all, it's the KING of on-duty carry!
Hahaha... very funny fly-boy.

..But it is COOL! (FYI - "cool" is insufficient justification for approval.)

(I can't wait for my G20 to come in...GSSF is great for the shooting sports, but they sure do teach you patience if you win a gun!)
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^^^^ Then that does suck! Do they allow personally purchased rifles for any division in LASD? SWAT has to he allowed to get what they want, at least?

Do they even allow personally purchased shotguns for duty use?

No they don't allow personal owned rifles. I know SEB is assigned weapons but I'm not sure if they have personal rifles allowed to them. From what I understand they do their own thing when it comes to weapons training.

No personal shotguns either. There is plenty of shotguns for duty use just not enough AR's.
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These guns are now approved but will there be funds to put on the classes???
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Yes. Glocks and .380s are included in the ongoing classes that have been, and will be offered on a very regular basis. We have dates for the first 1911 classes in later Sept and Oct because we need to give people time for the opportunity to shoot expert.
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