Senate Intel Committee Report Alleges NRA as Conduit for Russia Influence Campaign

[eswrite]

Expect anti-2A forces to use this as yet one more "NRA is Evil" club.

The Committee has obtained a number of documents that suggest the Kremlin used the National Rifle Association as a means of accessing and assisting Mr. Trump and his campaign. ... The Kremlin may also have used the NRA to secretly fund Mr. Trump’s campaign. ... The extent of Russia’s use of the NRA as an avenue for connecting with and potentially supporting the Trump campaign needs examination.

Senate Intelligence Committee Summary Report (PDF, page 21)

(Note the PDF link is from Sen. Feinstein's URL.)

[homelessdude]

More Democratic which hunt crap.

[eswrite]

Originally Posted by homelessdude

More Democratic which hunt crap.

Yeah, notice all the equivocal language, basically saying this needs more investigation. Won't stop the anti-2A mob from frothing at the mouth with "proof."

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by eswrite

Yeah, notice all the equivocal language, basically saying this needs more investigation. Won't stop the anti-2A mob from frothing at the mouth with "proof."

They don't care about the truth, and never have.

[theLBC]

more crap.

let's look at something factual.

libtards take taxes and give it to planned abortionhood.
they send much of that to libtards to fund their campaigns, ensuring continued funding.
and we all pay for that. we pay to fund libtard campaigns through our taxes.

[eswrite]

Originally Posted by theLBC

more crap.

let's look at something factual.

libtards take taxes and give it to planned abortionhood.
they send much of that to libtards to fund their campaigns, ensuring continued funding.
and we all pay for that. we pay to fund libtard campaigns through our taxes.

While I share your sentiments, with all due respect, that's argument by deflection. Showing why and how those two "throw shade" paragraphs are "crap" and being aware of how the opponent will nonetheless use them against us strike me as far more on point and productive.

[sl0re10]

Originally Posted by eswrite

While I share your sentiments, with all due respect, that's argument by deflection. Showing why and how those two "throw shade" paragraphs are "crap" and being aware of how the opponent will nonetheless use them against us strike me as far more on point and productive.

Reminds me of a sociology textbook from college I had. They made broad claims about society with a study or two footnoted to back up the argument. If you actually checked the footnotes; the study didn't prove the claim. I wonder what their footnotes point to?

re: Funded the NRA = some people in Russia (almost all US citizens) joined the NRA?

[ja308]

Trump/NRA collude with Russia or The DEEP STATE SWAMP grasps at more straws to derail a fairly elected President.

It wasn't enough to put Obama admin paid spys in his campaign or investigate every aspect of his life for a year with partisan democrat hacks.

now they fairytale this Horse**** .

Crooked Feinstein and her husband possibly stealing millions from the taxpayer through chocolate mountain deal are investigating our president and NRA !

[smashycrashy]

Originally Posted by homelessdude

More Democratic which hunt crap.

Senate intelligence committee is Republican controlled

[ja308]

Originally Posted by smashycrashy

Senate intelligence committee is Republican controlled

Then its time to boot Feinstien off it !
Notice there are no republicans on Muellers team !

[BajaJames83]

what a joke.
they just keep digging that hole and further separate and alienate americans from one another

[TRICKSTER]

Originally Posted by sl0re10

Reminds me of a sociology textbook from college I had. They made broad claims about society with a study or two footnoted to back up the argument. If you actually checked the footnotes; the study didn't prove the claim. I wonder what their footnotes point to?

re: Funded the NRA = some people in Russia (almost all US citizens) joined the NRA?

Most of them point to Rolling Stone stories. Yep, that's a credible source.

[CessnaDriver]

Yet Soro's meddling sure doesn't bother them one bit.

[CessnaDriver]

And what next....

Kanye West had Russian connections? LOL

[nate76239]

The NRA, in response to Mr. Wyden’s consistent prodding, has acknowledged that it accepted about $2,500 from people with Russian addresses, some of whom may be American nationals living abroad, or from known Russian nationals living in the U.S.

Most of that money was from membership dues or magazine subscriptions, which is legal, general counsel John C. Frazer wrote to Mr. Wyden. Only about $525, from two people, in contributions to the gun rights group came from Russian addresses.

there you go only $2500
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...sion-theories/

[nick]

Heh, this is getting more and more hilarious. Well, it would be hilarious, if the circus in question was some African government from the 50's and not today's US government. It's often interesting to observe how little people in Russia know about the US and what kind of fairy tales that that spawns (and what kind of fairy tales about the US they're fed these days, due to the same ignorance). It's very similar here in the US concerning Russia. It's sad when such drivel is produced by the people who are supposed to know better.

With that said, I know Maria Butina. While I have no doubt that she wouldn't mind being closer to Putin's government, she's not (and definitely not to the degree where she'd be trusted in something like this). She did try to create the Russian edition of the NRA, but she didn't get government's support (despite her "connections" to Putin's government, alleged by the moron writers of this drivel), and Russian gun owners are as apathetic as their American counterparts, only there are fewer of them (about 5 million), so her efforts fizzled.

The morons who came up with that report basically just looked for any Russian names somehow associated with the NRA. I'm surprised they didn't use mine. After all, I'm an NRA member and I have better connections among the current Russian government than she does (not to mention a thoroughly Russian last name). Come to think of it, give it time, give it time...

[nick]

Originally Posted by sl0re10

Reminds me of a sociology textbook from college I had. They made broad claims about society with a study or two footnoted to back up the argument. If you actually checked the footnotes; the study didn't prove the claim. I wonder what their footnotes point to?

re: Funded the NRA = some people in Russia (almost all US citizens) joined the NRA?

Some Russians subscribe to NRA magazines, especially American Rifleman. And some, like Butina, became NRA members (although hers, I believe, is a gift membership). Tell you more, quite a few Russian nationals living in the US are NRA members (heck, I convinced a few to join the NRA myself). It's a veritable NRA spy collusion network!

[Jimi Jah]

May, could, if....

If I had a dollar for every piece of media speculation...

[Offwidth]

Originally Posted by sl0re10

re: Funded the NRA = some people in Russia (almost all US citizens) joined the NRA?

I am both Russian and U.S. citizen and a long time NRA member. I am glad Russia has such an organization, we are worse than California over there.

Putin is very anti-gun, just like most autocrats like Gavin Newsom and their ilk.

[RozaShanina]

Don't know about the Russia/NRA connection but I do know there are a lot of Russian trolls on this forum.

[RozaShanina]

Originally Posted by ja308

Then its time to boot Feinstien off it !
Notice there are no republicans on Muellers team !

Hate to break this to you, champ, but Rosenstein, Comey and Mueller are all Republicans.

[squeeze]

If ever a group of people were misnamed, it is hands down the "Senate Intel Committee".

[nick]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

Don't know about the Russia/NRA connection but I do know there are a lot of Russian trolls on this forum.

Уверен?

[RozaShanina]

Originally Posted by nick

Уверен?

These guys come on here and at first their English is terrible, but gradually it improves and it is obvious that English is not their first language and they don't even know the alphabet.

Or they claim to be engineers or law enforcement.

[Offwidth]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

Or they claim to be engineers or law enforcement.

Yeah, because no Russian had ever been an engineer.

[Squatch]

I'm curious if they had authorization to release that?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

[2761377]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

Don't know about the Russia/NRA connection but I do know there are a lot of Russian trolls on this forum.

[dfletcher]

Originally Posted by 2761377

Curious that the OP never misses an opportunity to post something negative about gun rights or the NRA, in a passive aggressive manner of course - give it a little air time while rubbing hands together in a "gee guys, isn't this bad PR for us?" sort of way.

November feels a long way off.

[M1NM]

Yeah right a pro gun group being allowed to exist in mother russia.

[rivraton]

Originally Posted by sl0re10

Reminds me of a sociology textbook from college I had. They made broad claims about society with a study or two footnoted to back up the argument. If you actually checked the footnotes; the study didn't prove the claim. I wonder what their footnotes point to?

re: Funded the NRA = some people in Russia (almost all US citizens) joined the NRA?

A good deal of the footnote refer to Rolling Stone articles. (We all know ho accurate that publication is...

125 Tim Dickinson, “The Trump-Russia-NRA Connection: Here’s What You Need to Know,” Rolling Stone (Jan. 18, 2018).
126 Tim Dickinson, “Inside the Decade-Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate the NRA and Help Elect Trump,” Rolling
Stone (Apr. 2, 2018); Peter Stone and Greg Gordon, “FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help
Trump,” McClatchy (Jan. 18, 2018).
127 Tim Dickinson, “Inside the Decade-Long Russian Campaign to Infiltrate the NRA and Help Elect Trump,” Rolling
Stone (Apr. 2, 2018)

Look at that, the Ruskies have been working for TEN YEARS to elect Trump...

[TRICKSTER]

The biggest troll here uses the same online moniker as a known pervert and seems to be working harder than the Russians to bash our rights.

[RozaShanina]

Originally Posted by TRICKSTER

The biggest troll here uses the same online moniker as a known pervert and seems to be working harder than the Russians to bash our rights.

I am fully supportive of Second Amendment rights -- always have been and always will be.

Speaking of online monikers: Definition of trickster
: one who tricks: such as
a : a dishonest person who defrauds others by trickery
b : a person (such as a stage magician) skilled in the use of tricks and illusion
c : a cunning or deceptive character appearing in various forms in the folklore of many cultures https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trickster

[RozaShanina]

Big article today on contacts between Russian oligarchs and the NRA during the 2016 election cycle:

Several prominent Russians, some in President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle or high in the Russian Orthodox Church, now have been identified as having contact with National Rifle Association officials during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, according to photographs and an NRA source.

The contacts have emerged amid a deepening Justice Department investigation into whether Russian banker and lifetime NRA member Alexander Torshin illegally channeled money through the gun rights group to add financial firepower to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential bid.

Other influential Russians who met with NRA representatives during the campaign include Dmitry Rogozin, who until last month served as a deputy prime minister overseeing Russia’s defense industry, and Sergei Rudov, head of one of Russia’s largest philanthropies, the St. Basil the Great Charitable Foundation. The foundation was launched by an ultra-nationalist ally of Russian President Putin.

The Russians talked and dined with NRA representatives, mainly in Moscow, as U.S. presidential candidates vied for the White House. Now U.S. investigators want to know if relationships between the Russian leaders and the nation’s largest gun rights group went beyond vodka toasts and gun factory tours, evolving into another facet of the Kremlin’s broad election-interference operation.

Even as the contacts took place, Kremlin cyber operatives were secretly hacking top Democrats’ emails and barraging Americans’ social media accounts with fake news stories aimed at damaging the image of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and boosting the prospects of Republican Donald Trump. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-ne...212756749.html

[Offwidth]

I see liberals keep inventing s**t to stir.

[howbobert]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

Big article today on contacts between Russian oligarchs and the NRA during the 2016 election cycle:

…Kremlin cyber operatives were secretly hacking top Democrats’ emails and barraging Americans’ social media accounts with fake news stories aimed at damaging the image of Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton and boosting the prospects of Republican Donald Trump. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-ne...212756749.html

First of all, it wasn’t any fake news stories that damaged Hillary’s prospects, she was doing fine job of damaging herself without them.

Second, the fake news stories from the likes of CNN and MSNBC were all aimed at Trump, not Hillary. Those same news outlets, as well as the majority of the others were all in her back court.

[Noble Cause]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

I am fully supportive of Second Amendment rights -- always have been and always will be.

<<< Remainder of post snipped for Brevity >>>

So, Carlosdanger,
What Pro 2nd Amendment Organization do you belong to ?


Noble

[RozaShanina]

Originally Posted by Offwidth

I see liberals keep inventing s**t to stir.

I love the way you guys stick your fingers in your ears and yell la la la every time facts which disrupt your belief system surface. So the author invented that the bigwigs at the NRA were palin around with a Russian guy under investigation for money laundering for the Russian Mafia.

According to you he also invented that a high level NRA delegation travelled to Russia and met with people close to Putin including one who had been sanctioned by the US government. They even invented a picture of them together.

Originally Posted by howbobert

First of all, it wasn’t any fake news stories that damaged Hillary’s prospects, she was doing fine job of damaging herself without them.

Second, the fake news stories from the likes of CNN and MSNBC were all aimed at Trump, not Hillary. Those same news outlets, as well as the majority of the others were all in her back court.

If you actually read what you quoted the author said the fake news stories were "aimed at damaging" it did not say they actually damaged her chances. As to CNN and MSNBC I have no idea what you are talking about. During the campaign they covered Donald Trump 24/7. You know what Mark Cuban said about publicity.

Originally Posted by Noble Cause

So, Carlosdanger,
What Pro 2nd Amendment Organization do you belong to ?


Noble

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to are not right wing lobbying groups disguised as gun rights organizations. Did you know the NRA tried to derail the Heller decision three times?

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never throw a gun owner or lawful concealed carrier under the bus because of the color of his skin.

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never endorse a cowardly draft dodger for president let alone one who claims to be a great patriot or have a draft dodging pedophile on their board of directors.

By the way this post is not about me it is about the NRA and it smells to high heaven. You might want to address that and skip the personal attacks. It is not very "noble"

[skyscraper]

OMG... Trump was elected due to a 2500 dollar donation by Russians to the NRA.


COLLUSIONNNNNNNNNN!!!!! Proven!!!!!

LOL. The desperation is palpable.

[Noble Cause]

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

I am fully supportive of Second Amendment rights -- always have been and always will be.

<<< Remainder of post snipped for Brevity >>>

So, Carlosdanger,
What Pro 2nd Amendment Organization do you belong to ?


Noble

Originally Posted by carlosdanger

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to are not right wing lobbying groups disguised as gun rights organizations. Did you know the NRA tried to derail the Heller decision three times?

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never throw a gun owner or lawful concealed carrier under the bus because of the color of his skin.

The Pro Second Amendment Organizations I belong to would never endorse a cowardly draft dodger for president let alone one who claims to be a great patriot or have a draft dodging pedophile on their board of directors.

By the way this post is not about me it is about the NRA and it smells to high heaven. You might want to address that and skip the personal attacks. It is not very "noble"

Personal attack ? Lol.

You claimed to support the 2nd Amendment.

I asked for your Bona Fides to back up your assertion, and you replied
with an series of attacks on the NRA, the biggest and most effective
defender of the 2nd Amendment we currently have.

And you didn't Answer a rather simple question, so I will ask you again:

So, Carlosdanger,
What Pro 2nd Amendment Organization do you belong to ?


And a follow up question:

What is Your Plan on how best to defend our 2nd Amendment Rights ?


Noble

[RozaShanina]

Originally Posted by skyscraper

OMG... Trump was elected due to a 2500 dollar donation by Russians to the NRA.


COLLUSIONNNNNNNNNN!!!!! Proven!!!!!

LOL. The desperation is palpable.

You might actually try reading the article before commenting. My understanding is that the NRA does not lobby. The NRA received $2,500 from Russian sources. The NRA-ILA is the lobbying organization affiliated with the NRA. It does not disclose its donors. From the article:

In a weeks-long exchange of letters with Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, NRA General Counsel John Frazer disclosed that the group accepts foreign donations, but that none has been used in elections and that Russian contributions and member dues totaled $2,500 in 2016.

In April, Frazer cut off the exchange without divulging any of the group’s so-called “dark money” donors, who are allowed to contribute anonymously and can further shield their identities behind shell companies. It is unclear whether the group has traced the sources of all of those funds.

Of the $30 million the NRA reported spending to support Trump, more than $21 million was spent by its lobbying arm, whose donors are not publicly reported.

Two NRA insiders say that overall, the group spent at least $70 million, including resources devoted to field operations and online advertising, which are not required to be publicly reported.

He who laughs last laughs best.