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Old 04-18-2018, 11:11 PM
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Picked this up today and noticed that the left side of the receiver not aligned or has a slight bend where it meets the slide. There were some marks that may be a result of this but I was able to wipe it off. Again, this is new right out of the box.

Mind checking yours or is this a common issue?





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You have a sharp eye. Looked at my Italy made 92fs inox 2010 and sure enough is milled the same. One side looks perfect straight and the other has that slight circle cut.

My USA 92fs Vertec Inox also has the same cut but not as severe. Has a rail so suspect part of the design for some reason.

I would call it factory correct unless we both have mistakes that has not been seen for 8 years apart.

The Inox finish on frame will wear at contact points and I have Zero wear at that point. In the picture it looks like it maybe hitting? Are you pushing it over or is that in its relaxed position? Shoot it and keep your eagle eye on it.

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Two Compact L here. Both have it.
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It's called high production and low quality control.
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Is it possible it's by design? After all, the amount of pressure when a bullet explodes out of that barrel rotating one direction which is a right hand twist would make sense to me.
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You have a sharp eye. Looked at my Italy made 92fs inox 2010 and sure enough is milled the same. One side looks perfect straight and the other has that slight circle cut.

My USA 92fs Vertec Inox also has the same cut but not as severe. Has a rail so suspect part of the design for some reason.

I would call it factory correct unless we both have mistakes that has not been seen for 8 years apart.

The Inox finish on frame will wear at contact points and I have Zero wear at that point. In the picture it looks like it maybe hitting? Are you pushing it over or is that in its relaxed position? Shoot it and keep your eagle eye on it.
Yeah, unfortunately, I am very good at detecting defects. When walking back to my car or so, the first thing I would notice is the most tiny dent that was not there before. Believe me, I am not looking for it too. Maybe I need a quality control related job lol.

Back to the subject, I have contacted Beretta via email and was provided a link for UPS label to ship to an authorized repair center/gunsmith. But it looks like I'm not the only one who has this. I'm thinking of shooting it first and seeing if there will be wear marks.

Also, I'm not putting any pressure on the frame or slide where there could be friction. If if I tried to, there is no movement.

Can I try to sand the aluminum receiver myself? If so, will it show a different color after doing so?

Edit: Mind sharing pictures of your pistols as a comparison point?
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Two Compact L here. Both have it.
Thanks for confirming. Were you aware of this or is it just because of this thread?

Mind sharing pics as well before I send this back to Beretta?

I really don't want to send a new gun to an "authorized center".
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Is it possible it's by design? After all, the amount of pressure when a bullet explodes out of that barrel rotating one direction which is a right hand twist would make sense to me.
Good point. Are these frames created from a mold? Sorry I do not anything about the manufacturing process.
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I just looked at my beretta m9A3 and it is even on both sides. Try shooting it a bit and see if it affect the reliability and function
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I just looked at my beretta m9A3 and it is even on both sides. Try shooting it a bit and see if it affect the reliability and function
Thanks as well. I'm sure that QC is on a different level on those =)

Will do, as soon as I find the opportunity.

In the event that the frame wears down and no longer makes contact after 300 rounds or so, would you still have it repaired if you were in my shoes?
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Thats one way to "tighten up" the slide to frame fit....
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Two Compact L here. Both have it.
Do you have any signs of wear either on the slide or the inside of the frame?
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i have a 96 frame. also slight bulge on the left side
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If the provide you with a shipping label than I would send it in.
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my Beretta doesn't have that, bought NIB in 2010

it's not INOX though, has the regular Beretta finish

if you want a comparison picture, let me know
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my Beretta doesn't have that, bought NIB in 2010

it's not INOX though, has the regular Beretta finish

if you want a comparison picture, let me know
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i have a 96 frame. also slight bulge on the left side
Is it as close as it looks as pictured above? Pics would be greatly appreciated.

OCD kind of kicking in now and not really happy camper with my first Beretta.
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Beretta has many cosmetic defects. The worst of the bunch seem to be hand picked and shipped to Ca, every one of them has something wrong with them.

Oops marks
Barrel not aligned
Checkering defects
Slides not fitted to frame
Slide stops not fitted to brigadier slides
Same goes for the safety
Bent trigger bars
Gouged trigger guards
Sometimes they even put a brigadier slide stop on 92fs models.
Once upon a time the safety was proprietary to the brigadier which had clearance on the right side. They've been using regular safeties lately and
Consistency of roll marks and etchings vary as well.
Loose mag releases
Nicked rails

USA made models seem to get better QC in the upper 600k-700k serial numbers.

I haven't seen a single Italian made one without a problem. Ie canted barrels, nicks, oops marks.

There are good examples out there, you just need to inspect thoroughly before you buy.

Overall the 92 series is my favorite. Not perfect buy no means, but has never never never never let me down. I have to put them away most times and go with the Glock because I become complacent with it's reliability.


I'd like to see someone design a delrin insert where the trigger bar goes up front connecting to the trigger shoe.

This will help in pre travel, over travel and frame scratching.


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The fit and finish on my Italian 92FS was spot on. Flawless. Nothing like this.
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It's a production gun....not custom. How does it shoot?
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Is it as close as it looks as pictured above? Pics would be greatly appreciated.

OCD kind of kicking in now and not really happy camper with my first Beretta.
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I see your slide hangs to the left.
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Thanks for the pic for reference.

Mind providing a similar angle to mine with the slide pushed forward?

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i have a few for you - slide open (B1) you can see its not a perfect roundness, but, the frame does not touch my slide, nor does it appear that much out of round - hope it helps, im guessing if it doesn't rub you should be ok





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Do you have any signs of wear either on the slide or the inside of the frame?
Nothing.
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i have a few for you - slide open (B1) you can see its not a perfect roundness, but, the frame does not touch my slide, nor does it appear that much out of round - hope it helps, im guessing if it doesn't rub you should be ok





Thank you, much appreciated.

Unless it rubs, I won't be sending it back based on the pics you provided.
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Thank you, much appreciated.

Unless it rubs, I won't be sending it back based on the pics you provided.
i glad they helped ease your mind, i really think it's not a problem unless you experience rubbing issues

after examining mine a little better, and, the other pictures posted by other Calgun members, it doesn't look like a flaw - why there is that slight bump in the roundness seems to be by design, why, i couldn't tell ya

tried to get you some closer up pictures but i had focusing problems with my wife's camera that im not familiar with - go out shoot your INOX, have fun with it and don't worry about it unless it presents itself as a problem

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i glad they helped ease your mind, i really think it's not a problem unless you experience rubbing issues

after examining mine a little better, and, the other pictures posted by other Calgun members, it doesn't look like a flaw - why there is that slight bump in the roundness seems to be by design, why, i couldn't tell ya

tried to get you some closer up pictures but i had focusing problems with my wife's camera that im not familiar with - go out shoot your INOX, have fun with it and don't worry about it unless it presents itself as a problem

the 92 is a great firearm
There is something wrong with me noticing these probable flaws while the rest of the community haven't noticed for years. lol.

Thanks for the encouraging words and yes, I will go down to the range tomorrow if my schedule permits.

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There is something wrong with me noticing these probable flaws while the rest of the community haven't noticed for years. lol.
Trust me if it caused any rubbing / wear it would have been noticed IMMEDIATELY ...
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Trust me if it caused any rubbing / wear it would have been noticed IMMEDIATELY ...
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i have a few for you - slide open (B1) you can see its not a perfect roundness, but, the frame does not touch my slide, nor does it appear that much out of round - hope it helps, im guessing if it doesn't rub you should be ok





Hi Falcon,

Mind posting a picture at this angle or close to so I can compare? I don't think I will be able to go to the range for two weeks or so..

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this was about the closest i could get in focus, sorry
if you notice my little bump is on the opposite side of yours, i don't know why - i bought my US Beretta in 2010, probably got a few thousand rounds thru it and it's never been an issue - there is no evidence of any rubbing either

hope this helps - yes, yes, i know, been in the safe for awhile, needs a wipe down





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this was about the closest i could get in focus, sorry
if you notice my little bump is on the opposite side of yours, i don't know why - i bought my US Beretta in 2010, probably got a few thousand rounds thru it and it's never been an issue - there is no evidence of any rubbing either

hope this helps - yes, yes, i know, been in the safe for awhile, needs a wipe down





No worries. All I did was take a normal picture with my iPhone X and zoomed/cropped it thru the phone's app which zoomed it as shown.
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they are all like that, the reason you noticed is because you have a stainless model, you dont notice the gaps as much on the all black finish, it blends in more on a dark color.
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they are all like that, the reason you noticed is because you have a stainless model, you dont notice the gaps as much on the all black finish, it blends in more on a dark color.
Noted. Fyi, I saw a black rub mark which easily came off upon cleaning.

I didn't see any wear marks inside dust cover last night though upon further inspection.

I will heading down to the range tonight and will post an update.
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Thank you guys for the suggestion.

I went to the range. Everything was flawless other than my aim. For some reason, I'm hitting an inch or two low to the left lol. Need more practice I guess. I have to aim a bit higher to compensate. Not used to the dot system here.

Best of all, no scratch or rubbing on the suspect are. Very happy!

installed some factory mods immediately after a bath in the Ultra Sonic Cleaner:

Beretta Stainless Steel Guide Rod with Titanium Nitride Coated Springs - I noticed that the replacement spring is much stiffer than the stock

Beretta Skeletonized Hammer

Beretta D Hammer Spring - A must mod for all 92's. Night and day difference.

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Beretta Steel Trigger - Another must mod. I hated the feel of the polymer coated trigger. It felt rough and was grabbing on to my finger. Too much friction. Steel trigger is smooth and nice to the touch.

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Beretta Oversize Magazine Release - a big improvement over the stock release. Don't have to reach that much for it now.











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Good gosh, shoot the thing. If off, rent a Beretta at any range to see if you have a problem. There are like 300k of these guns out there.

Also, your next challenge is to figure out why the barrel is not centered in the slide.
(Trick question - until in battery, it just doesnt matter.)

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