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Old 04-19-2018, 12:13 PM
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Oh hear we go another Trump hater! Look folks he's blaming the Russians on glock losing the contract because they(glock) are the new HRC of the poly gun world. Sleep softly wearing your "I'm with her" t-shirt dress and glock undies. I'm sure that helps you sleep a little better at night thinking she won and they are the new side piece of the army.
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Old 04-19-2018, 12:21 PM
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Says the guy with the SKS. The AK is the better version of that. The new Sig320 is the better version of the Glock. Also we speak American round these parts, compadre'. LEARN IT!
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Says the guy with the SKS. The AK is the better version of that.
So how come the M14 is not the better version of the M1 Garand??
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Great idea. Which ones are on the roster?

Exactly. A Gen 3 Glock is almost as good as it gets for the roster.

Everything is a compromise. For example, my 2 Shields, which are excellent in their own right, took quite a bit of effort to get them to where I wanted. Removed the LCI and mag disconnect which was took a little bit of effort. Wanted to change out the trigger since the original ones sucked but to do that, you have to remove the rear sight which is very tough on the Shield. So had to bring it to my gunsmith.

The Glocks, on the other hand, are simple to get it to where you want. No mag releases and pop up LCIs to deal with either.

And at the end, when you mod the Glock, not is only easy to do, but the end product is outstanding. Accurate, durable, reliable. I always wondered why many of the top shooters in the world run them and now I know although I did not get it at first when I didn't know as much as I know now.




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The combat has haunted me for years. Its either going to be that or a legion sooner then later.


Here's mine and I love it. The RMR let's me put those fat .45 ACP rounds in the black almost every time at 50 yds.




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I like Croatians, Mirko Crocop, Croteam games, etc... just fine. I don't like my XD9 though. XDM's are good. Like the Canik's, if we had them on roster, I'd have some XDM's.
I have an XDs 3.3 45. I wish I could get the Mod 2 version of it.
My XD .40 is loads of fun to shoot. The best part is the trigger, after the XD ultimate trigger group I fitted to it.
XD has the best striker fired set-up out there, even in stock form.
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So how come the M14 is not the better version of the M1 Garand??
Oh... well since you asked. Its because its crap compared to the Garand. Not as accurate out the box and needs all kinds of things to make it so.
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Here's mine and I love it. The RMR let's me put those fat .45 ACP rounds in the black almost every time at 50 yds.




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Why do you tease me so? Who did the RMR cut?
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Why do you tease me so? Who did the RMR cut?


Mark Housel at L&M Precision. THE man to do slide cuts on Sigs and other guns. You really need to have someone who knows what they are doing when it comes to Sig slides since they have less material to work with than say Glock slides. I've sent my Glocks for RMR cuts to other places but for Sigs, only L&M will do. I had him do one also for a P226 MK25 and both were perfect.


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Good for Sig. I have extensive training with Sig and they are great firearms.

Glock? Not a fan.
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I have an XDs 3.3 45. I wish I could get the Mod 2 version of it.
My XD .40 is loads of fun to shoot. The best part is the trigger, after the XD ultimate trigger group I fitted to it.
XD has the best striker fired set-up out there, even in stock form.
I looked at a XDS .45 that was consigned here (Actually a decent price too) ... decided I'd just get a rostered and underrated G36 when the mood strikes. I already have a G29SF/30S.

XD40 3" here are on sale right now @ $379 nice price, but everything is subjective. I got a really screaming deal on my XD9 with Gear package for around that price maybe less IIRC... I just don't care for it when I actually shoot it. I shot it a lot. I like Glocks and Walthers A LOT more.

I got the XD because I always wanted the HS2000 back when I'd buy ANYTHING polymer to try that was not a GLOCK. That and I shot a really enjoyable XDM .40. Owning one now, I don't particularly like the grip safety or the trigger either.
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Old 04-19-2018, 1:23 PM
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I have the XD .40 service model.
I think it's very well balanced and very accurate for me.
I put so much time and effort into my Glock 17C. Against two gun smiths determinations, I fixed the crazy inconsistant ejection and stove pipe issues the gun had and continued to work on it, that it now has a 2.75 Lbs pull at center of the triger, and it still does not move me to like it.
Others shoot and love the thing. But I'm just not feeling it.
It's me, I know. But it is what it is.
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So how come the M14 is not the better version of the M1 Garand??
Because we only roll with ‘clips’ full of .30 calibers ammos!
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I have the XD .40 service model.
I think it's very well balanced and very accurate for me.
I put so much time and effort into my Glock 17C. Against two gun smiths determinations, I fixed the crazy inconsistant ejection and stove pipe issues the gun had and continued to work on it, that it now has a 2.75 Lbs pull at center of the triger, and it still does not move me to like it.
Others shoot and love the thing. But I'm just not feeling it.
It's me, I know. But it is what it is.
Weird. I don't have a 17C... but I have a 22C/22 RTF2, and a Gen4 17/MOS, Gen3 17 RTF2, 17 RTF2 Vickers, 17L, 26, 19, 40, 41, 29SF, 20, 30S, etc... never had any issues out of the box.

I have seen trigger issues caused by aftermarket trigger parts failing to reset, causing a dangerous light trigger pull or reset likely to double, etc.... Also had a range rental G27 that was totally unreliable and filthy - In hindsight I'm sure it was never cleaned and maybe needed worn parts replaced. it was also unpleasant to shoot compared to what I was used to at the time.

Overall Glock is the most reliable brand for me since my old Ruger P95 which was a tank and feels like one.

I have had lemons and they do make it hard to ever love them. Especially if they are not reliable when stock or need special ammo diets.
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Locally they have the 220R Black and 220R Combat FDE. Both at $999 the Combat is $100 off supposedly.
My wife has Combat in 9mm and the internals parts are coated for extra rust protection and the feed ramp is polished. I'm not sure if the .45acp is the same but since it's Combat, I won't be surprised if they are the same.

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The combat has haunted me for years. Its either going to be that or a legion sooner then later.
Now you're throwing monkey wrench into my plan.
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My wife has Combat in 9mm and the internals parts are coated for extra rust protection and the feed ramp is polished. I'm not sure if the .45acp is the same but since it's Combat, I won't be surprised if they are the same.


Now you're throwing monkey wrench into my plan.
The 220 has the same coating. Its just a bigger 226 combat.
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If Glock could make a grip as good as a sig but also keep the low bore axis they would have a winner.


I want a Glock with the grip of the S&W M&P.
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The 220 has the same coating. Its just a bigger 226 combat.
Great! thanks for the info.
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The 220 has the same coating. Its just a bigger 226 combat.
So does anyone know why there is a special model for CA?

220-45-CP-DS-CA

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p220-...full-size.html
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So does anyone know why there is a special model for CA?

220-45-CP-DS-CA

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p220-...full-size.html
I do believe the newer one come with a threaded barrel. The old ones are still Cali legal.
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220-45-CP-DS-CA

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I do believe the newer one come with a threaded barrel. The old ones are still Cali legal.
I think the CA designation is added to make them compliant but the gun is unmolested.

When visiting your LGS, you can check the gun and it will be in Free state form.
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I think the CA designation is added to make them compliant but the gun is unmolested.

When visiting your LGS, you can check the gun and it will be in Free state form.
Yeah they don't have that loaded chamber jazz all over the slides of the 220s.
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Did the XD compete in this military contract pistol competition?
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If Glock could make a grip as good as a sig but also keep the low bore axis they would have a winner.


Sounds like CZ beat them to it.


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Sounds like CZ beat them to it.
CZ's are HEAVY. That helps. As far as low bore axis some would say they are right there with DA/SA Sigs... a lot of them are steel and the slides are smaller even considering they have slides that ride inside the frame rails, they are still small. Interesting anyway. This guy has CZ in the middle and VP9, XD9, M&P9, Glock 17/19 as the top 4/5.




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Sounds like something CNN would say ... maybe it’s not the grip or the trigger on the Glock ... maybe you just can’t shoot , nothing compares to a GLOCK !!! Just because something is expensive, doesn’t mean it’s better !


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Sounds like something CNN would say ... maybe it’s not the grip or the trigger on the Glock ... maybe you just can’t shoot , nothing compares to a GLOCK !!! Just because something is expensive, doesn’t mean it’s better !
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Out of all of my pistols, the Sig 1911 45 acp is the most accurate for me. It's also the most accurate for my wife.
I usually change the target after the paper stops flinching. That's when a 1" hole has been blasted through the center of it.
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Give them to glock for research on how to make a proper gun?
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Oh... well since you asked. Its because its crap compared to the Garand. Not as accurate out the box and needs all kinds of things to make it so.

You can't say that about the M14/M1A here. Everyone knows it shots like a laser and hits like a freight train.

http://looserounds.com/2015/01/30/th...he-m14-legend/


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Oh... well since you asked. Its because its crap compared to the Garand. Not as accurate out the box and needs all kinds of things to make it so.
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So the criteria was a determination by:
  • Drop Test
  • Penetration Test
  • Precision Test

Did any of these fails the drop test? I'm guessing they all passed.

What ammo for the penetration test? This depends more on ammo than anything, so probably a draw.

I'm guessing precision was on a bench rest.

What were the actual results?
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https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/...-system-4.html
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So the criteria was a determination by:
  • Drop Test
  • Penetration Test
  • Precision Test

Did any of these fails the drop test? I'm guessing they all passed.

What ammo for the penetration test? This depends more on ammo than anything, so probably a draw.

I'm guessing precision was on a bench rest.

What were the actual results?
You know good and well it was not a bench test.
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Wow, form the first link;

"The Pentagon’s overview on its gear and tech programs in 2017, conducted by the Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation and released earlier in January 2018, indicated that both the XM17 and XM18 pistols demonstrated a series of persistent problems, including accidental discharge, ejecting live ammunition, and relatively frequent stoppages when firing ammunition encased in a full metal jacket. Even worse, the report recommends the Army engineer some fixes “upon identification of the root cause” of the ejection issue — a statement that indicates the branch hasn’t yet identified the source of the issue."


Shouldn't they have done this test and evaluation before they committed millions of OUR TAX DOLLARS into the program? Was the decision made entirely on bribery? I though the point of the "test and evaluation" was to actually test the thing.

I hope we can get our money back. This is truly pathetic and possibly criminal, there needs to be an investigation into why this gun was decided upon. Sig better fix those things.







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Old 04-24-2018, 2:26 PM
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Wow, form the first link;

"The Pentagon’s overview on its gear and tech programs in 2017, conducted by the Office of the Director of Operational Test and Evaluation and released earlier in January 2018, indicated that both the XM17 and XM18 pistols demonstrated a series of persistent problems, including accidental discharge, ejecting live ammunition, and relatively frequent stoppages when firing ammunition encased in a full metal jacket. Even worse, the report recommends the Army engineer some fixes “upon identification of the root cause” of the ejection issue — a statement that indicates the branch hasn’t yet identified the source of the issue."


Shouldn't they have done this test and evaluation before they committed millions of OUR TAX DOLLARS into the program? Was the decision made entirely on bribery? I though the point of the "test and evaluation" was to actually test the thing.

I hope we can get our money back. This is truly pathetic and possibly criminal, there needs to be an investigation into why this gun was decided upon. Sig better fix those things.
Hasn't this already been worked out and over?
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