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Old 05-24-2019, 11:41 AM
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Default Unusual Beretta pistol

My buddy found this beretta pistol in a shipping container on a property that he purchased. I believe it to be a WWII pistol from the 30’s. Anyone have any info or insight on this pistol? Is it something that he can legally own or sell? Thanks in advance.






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Looks like a Beretta M1935. Sweet find!
Someone else may be able to answer the question on ownership better.
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It's C&R. So should be good to go. I would confirm this with a pro though.
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It should be pretty safe just to register it, provided it hasn't been reported stolen or anything. It's a little unfortunate that it was "transferred" by way of that sale, and perhaps finding the original owner would be more prudent, but short of cutting it apart and throwing it into the sea just getting it registered should cover you.

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If it’s C&R does it even need to be registered before selling it?
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If it’s C&R does it even need to be registered before selling it?
In CA, a handgun has to be registered to transfer it, no matter what.
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Awesome that the holster is with it - too bad you don’t know it’s story.
Good little pistols, clean her up but don’t try to refurbish it.
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In CA, a handgun has to be registered to transfer it, no matter what.
Would you just take it to a LGS and tell them you need to register it?
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Would you just take it to a LGS and tell them you need to register it?
I'm not sure how to do it if you don't have a CFARs login. I'd be cautious about a gun store, since they might want to err waaay on the side of caution about it. Once it's in their hands it may be more of a matter of what they /think/ the law is than what it actually says.
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It's definitely a Beretta 1935 in 7.65 or 32 ACP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_M1935

If you want more info, you can post on this site - https://luger.gunboards.com/forumdis...s-and-Holsters - a number of what I would call experts on Berettas post there and they have access to Italian reference books that can give you more info.

I guess late war - this is a thread of a similar - perhaps redone pistol - https://luger.gunboards.com/showthre...r-Italian-Army - I hope you post there as it will be interesting what they say about it.

Note: That thread is about a "G" series 1934 Beretta in 380 ACP. The confusion between "G" series 1934's and 600k model number 1935's is discussed there - the fact that your pistol is marked 7.65 clarifies easily what your pistol is.

I guess made under German occupation for the German forces, but I have no reference books to support that guess.

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In CA, a handgun has to be registered to transfer it, no matter what.
If you don’t know what you are talking about, please exercise your right to remain silent so you don’t look like a fool.

It does NOT need to be registered to be sold, but you’d better make darn sure it hasn’t been reported stolen, or he could be on the hook for receiving stolen property. Take it to your local PD and ask them to check it for you. I don’t know of any agency that will do this over the phone. If it has been reported stolen, be prepared to have it seized (which is why they won’t tell you anything over the phone) an explain how it was obtained. There is a reasonable explanation available, so that’s not something to stress over. Technically, the transfer wasn’t done thru an ffl, but your local PD isn’t going to care about that.

You can do a Voluntary Registration thru Ca DOJ after that, either on line or by mail. They’re more concerned with getting it in the system than anything else.

There is no requirement in California for any firearm (except assault weapons) to be registered. While many consider the DROS process to be registration, it actually isn’t. DROS stands for “Dealer’s Report of Sale”
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In CA, a handgun has to be registered to transfer it, no matter what.
Incorrect. Plenty of handguns in CA before there ever was a "registration" aka firearms ownership database, and those are still perfectly legal to own or sell. If they are transferred in CA though, they will end up in AFS if the transfer is done legally unless the transfer in question is to a FFL other than 03FFL.
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From the exterior I would say it was produced at a time when the Axis was getting their butts whipped in the war. Finish machining is terrible, like the Japanese "last ditch" guns.
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In CA, a handgun has to be registered to transfer it, no matter what.
No.
There are many unregistered handguns in CA, there is no requirement to register them before you sell them.

The Beretta comes apart by holding the slide back then twisting the barrel.
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The owner's name and rank (captain) are inside the flap.
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Old 05-24-2019, 3:54 PM
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Looks like Hauptmann (captain) G von Harling.
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There is no requirement in California for any firearm (except assault weapons) to be registered. While many consider the DROS process to be registration, it actually isn’t. DROS stands for “Dealer’s Report of Sale”
Not to hijack the thread, but isn’t DROS a form of handgun registration?
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Old 05-24-2019, 4:20 PM
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It's a M1935, single-action semi-automatic, .32 acp (7.65). mag is 8 rounds. SN puts it in the WWII time frame.

The M1935 was issued to both the Italian armed forces and the Nazis in 1944 and 1945.

Whats more interesting to me is the writing on the holster which BTW is the correct military issued holster. ID that writing and you'll get allot of great history / background about that gun.



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Judging by the number of people correcting me, perhaps I was given wrong information or took the wrong impression of information I was given.

The way I understood it was that any transfer of a handgun done legally produced not only the DROS, kept by the gun store, but a record of that sale for the DOJ. While a handgun owned before the registration began could be owned without registration, it would become registered via any legal in-state transfer.
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Beretta Forums has a FAQ thread for it here:

https://berettaforum.net/vb/showthread.php?t=105982
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Based on the serial number and caliber, and a quick look in the Blue Book of Guns, I think it's a Model 318, .25 ACP, 2 1/2 " barrel, Fixed sights, manufactured 1936-1937, serial numbers 609,000-615,000.
Value, 100% - $275, 98%-$240, 90% - $280.

Nice Find
I thought it's cost double than that because it's not on Roster

It's a nice found.

How about return it to the heirs of the original owner, make a new friend across the pond.
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Didn't I last see that gun on the Untouchables T.V. series Episode 16? Some gangster had it and was doing bad things.
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I thought it's cost double than that because it's not on Roster
Curio and Relics are exempt from the roster. https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns "Private party transfers, curio/relic handguns, certain single-action revolvers, and pawn/consignment returns are exempt from this requirement."
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No.
There are many unregistered handguns in CA, there is no requirement to register them before you sell them.

The Beretta comes apart by holding the slide back then twisting the barrel.
After rotating the barrel, smack the end of the barrel with you hand and remove the barrel through the ejection port. Then the slide comes off he front. Easiest gun I've ever seen to field strip.
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The gun came from a couple of Asian decent Japanese maybe? They have both since passed. Very good information guys the history behind it is interesting from further research. From the link to beretta forum it seems that the pistol in this caliber was not produced much and is vary rarely seen.
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Judging by the number of people correcting me, perhaps I was given wrong information or took the wrong impression of information I was given.

The way I understood it was that any transfer of a handgun done legally produced not only the DROS, kept by the gun store, but a record of that sale for the DOJ. While a handgun owned before the registration began could be owned without registration, it would become registered via any legal in-state transfer.
Your original statement says the gun, “...has to be registered to transfer it....”. That’s not correct, and doesn’t follow your subsequent post, which is correct.

After a sale/transfer using the DROS system, the information is collected and recorded in the Registry.
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Lol I think he’s done that a few times.
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Slightly off topic so . . . . Re: curio relic. Are pistols different than rifles ? I thought the rifle cut off was 1898 and not moving forward or newer after that. 100 yo gun starting with calender year 1998. - thanks
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The gun came from a couple of Asian decent Japanese maybe?
I wonder if the guy was in the 442nd RCT? A war bring back, perhaps.

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From the exterior I would say it was produced at a time when the Axis was getting their butts whipped in the war. Finish machining is terrible, like the Japanese "last ditch" guns.
I'm thinking the "machining" was done to remove the original identifying marks for some reason.
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I wonder if the guy was in the 442nd RCT? A war bring back, perhaps.

Nice find.
That’s what I’m thinking. The couple kept literally everything they’ve ever owned and that’s a very good possibility. The container was full of tons of old stuff.
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Captain von Harling should be traceable as a TR German officer. Could be an aristocrat with the "von" last name.
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Holster actually says: G von Harling Hauptmann. G stands for Graf ( count). The Harlings are an aristocratic family from Lower Saxony. Pistol was probably the Graf's personal weapon. Being a 7.65 cal, instead of a P38, he might have been a pilot or someone behind the lines.
Would be fun to research if it was mine.
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The gun came from a couple of Asian decent Japanese maybe? They have both since passed. Very good information guys the history behind it is interesting from further research. From the link to beretta forum it seems that the pistol in this caliber was not produced much and is vary rarely seen.
It's more common than you might think, but certainly less common than the 9mm Corto version. My father picked one up while in Italy waiting to invade France. He had enough time before the invasion to make a holster for it. Likely out of the tops of some old boots. He had it on his hip when he went ashore at Green Beach. Later, while in France, he acquired a WWI Spanish Izarra which he customized with sweetheart grip and a photo of his kid sister.

The 1934 model Beretta I have will eat anything I feed it. Brass/steel, ball/hollow/flat ammo, different weights and loads. Just passes them through and asks for more. There are usually a lot of them for sale on GunBroker along with tons of spare magazines and spare parts.
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I wonder if the guy was in the 442nd RCT? A war bring back, perhaps.

Nice find.
Very possible. Late in the war, a lot of those 1935 models were made and the Germans got a lot of them, usually officers. They often didn't have the same markings on them.

If you're interested, this forum has some very knowledgeable people on it and you can post pix and ask questions.

https://forums.gunboards.com/forumdi...Firearms-Forum
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Here is an interesting thread that discusses the differences between 1935 7.65 magazines and 1934 9mm Corto magazines.

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Not to hijack the thread, but isn’t DROS a form of handgun registration?
Yes, since 08-07-1924.
A CA gun dealer had to submit a Dealer Record Of Sale (DROS) to CA DOJ, which registered the handgun to the person acquiring the handgun.

However, private party transfers were not required to be done through a CA FFL dealer until 01-01-1991.

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Slightly off topic so . . . . Re: curio relic. Are pistols different than rifles ? I thought the rifle cut off was 1898 and not moving forward or newer after that. 100 yo gun starting with calender year 1998. - thanks
Same rules applies to both long guns and handguns.

If the firearm is 50 or more years old, then it's a C&R.

If the firearm was made before 01-01-1898, then it's an antique.

The main difference between a C&R firearm and an antique firearm is...
Under Federal laws; a FFL is required to legally acquire a C&R firearm across State lines, wereas an antique firearm does not require a FFL.
Under CA laws; for a non-exempt person, a C&R firearm needs to be transferred through a CA FFL dealer and an antique firearm is exempt from needing to be transferred through a CA FFL dealer.
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