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Wayne has been high on the hitlist ever since CPAC when he said "European Style Socialists" and everyone with an IQ above room temperature heard it.



The President spot is "ceremonial" and just for fundraising purposes. He was put into place to get rid of Lapierre. If you get into his sordid past he was known for his odd ultra-zionist positions where he would whip neocons under Reagan for not being "pro-israel enough".

Check that list of names that Wayne mentioned as being against gun rights. And then it all makes sense.
We heard North last year at NRA prayer breakfast and I recall he really didn't talk like he was prepared to fight for RKBA. As I recall told some stories about him and Betsy and tried to sound folksy.

Wayne has been a real thorn to gun grabbers national and International. It was Wayne who took on the UN and their spokesperson Rebecca Peters. She was no match for the well educated, articulate,principled patriot who represented us against this giant cabal of tyrants,socialist/communists.

Wayne also exposed along with Rush the atrocities committed against Vicky Weaver and the murder of 17 children and many adults at Waco. Because of their bravery,GOP congress held hearings and the leaders of FBI or ATF now feel they can no longer target law abiding people for murder because they own guns!

It was Wayne who exposed the International tyrant George Soros and his plans to Destroy American RKBA. I would not have known about Soros if not for the NRA.

Wayne further has the smarts and knowledge to win even when it seems we are losing. It was NRA under Wayne who got the sunset provision in Clintons/democrat AW ban.
The AW ban was eliminated after the NRA beat ALGORE who lost his home state of Tennessee!

Through the years he has made me proud and I stand with him today, against gun grabbers fake news and fake charges.

Sir I thank you for pointing me in the correct direction to understand why this is happening.
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The fact many here are engaged in class warfare where they are blindly jealous over a CEO who has a good salary and perks is no reason to believe ANTI GUN sources about wrong doing ! I mean there are plenty of democrats who are fantastically wealthy you folks could envy! In fact I would guess based on links provided ,many of you NRA (La Pierre) haters are glued to the Television set watching millionaires entertain you with sitcoms or late night talk shows!

NO GUN CULTURE PERSON HAS ACCUSED LA PIERRE OF ANY WRONGDOING !

I am truly sorry for the lives many of you have created for yourselves that the best you can do is to belittle, accuse and ridicule a patriot like Wayne La Pierre.

A man who IIRC took the NRA from 1.5 million to nearly 6 million.
Are Allen West and Tim Knight not gun culture people?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nra-board...ng-allegations
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Are Allen West and Tim Knight not gun culture people?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nra-board...ng-allegations
Allen West is a POS war criminal neocon, anything he recommends is hot trash, I'd sooner dig a new foxhole than share one with him.
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Allen West is a POS war criminal neocon, anything he recommends is hot trash, I'd sooner dig a new foxhole than share one with him.
He along with North are career Army who never made past Lt Col.
Im betting West will not be a board member after Wayne is exonerated completely .
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He along with North are career Army who never made past Lt Col.
Im betting West will not be a board member after Wayne is exonerated completely .
Not getting past LT COL is not a condemnation. When they get above that rank I get increasingly skeptical about their commitment to soldier care and whether they are more political than good.

Yeah, there are some good full birds and generals, but I've met enough that weren't that I'm not automatically favorably impressed if they got that rank.


I agree that West likely won't be on the board for long. Irritating the king is not a healthy thing to do.

But frankly, Wayne being able to get rid of those who disagree with him should be a bit worrisome to membership.


Oh, and I should point out that Ollie was never in the Army.
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Not getting past LT COL is not a condemnation. When they get above that rank I get increasingly skeptical about their commitment to soldier care and whether they are more political than good.

Yeah, there are some good full birds and generals, but I've met enough that weren't that I'm not automatically favorably impressed if they got that rank.


I agree that West likely won't be on the board for long. Irritating the king is not a healthy thing to do.

But frankly, Wayne being able to get rid of those who disagree with him should be a bit worrisome to membership.


Oh, and I should point out that Ollie was never in the Army.
You have a point about those not reaching full col and above.

West will not be on the board for long because I and many like me who know of Waynes accomplishments and commitments will not vote for him again! The words he used about the board are reprehensible as is his rush to judgement condemnations.

I am sorry you are correct that North was never in the Army ! enough said !
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He along with North are career Army who never made past Lt Col.
Im betting West will not be a board member after Wayne is exonerated completely .
I got a better chance of getting signed by the LA Lakers as a center while playing for the Patriots.
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Not getting past LT COL is not a condemnation. When they get above that rank I get increasingly skeptical about their commitment to soldier care and whether they are more political than good.

Yeah, there are some good full birds and generals, but I've met enough that weren't that I'm not automatically favorably impressed if they got that rank.


I agree that West likely won't be on the board for long. Irritating the king is not a healthy thing to do.

But frankly, Wayne being able to get rid of those who disagree with him should be a bit worrisome to membership.


Oh, and I should point out that Ollie was never in the Army.
Considering Wayne is fighter who does not back down on gun rights and is smart enough to derail even the worst democrat and United Nations plans.

I hope he does purge all weak NRA board members who are more concerned with their own popularity than the rights we elect them to protect.

Col North is a great example of those who should be purged. Allen West is another. Voting members lets reject this do nothing big mouth !
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Considering Wayne is fighter who does not back down on gun rights and is smart enough to derail even the worst democrat and United Nations plans.

I hope he does purge all weak NRA board members who are more concerned with their own popularity than the rights we elect them to protect.

Col North is a great example of those who should be purged. Allen West is another. Voting members lets reject this do nothing big mouth !
Holy crap, you keep polishing that turd. Are you an NRA employee or do you work directly for Wayne?
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Too bad you were not around during Clinton/Reno reign of terror. If you were you appreciate the courage shown by Wayne La Pierre.

He not only took on all BIG MEDIA he took on the FBI and ATF! The man has courage and to me he is hero.

I suggest you try reading a few books written by patriots on events that occurred during Clinton/Reno's attempt to eliminate the gun culture by acts of terror against us!
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...The man has courage and to me he is hero...
I'm not trying to insert myself into what has become a seemingly endless "I said, so you're wrong," but I do have a suggestion...

ja308 - You've made statements which are demonstrably wrong. For instance...

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The sources of NRA wrongdoing are ANTIGUN TRACE as per a link and a sour grapes blog guy who's been discredited.
That may be where much of this got started in terms of public attention, but they are not the source for all this. As I noted in the other thread, unfortunately, it's not just about what CNN/MSNBC and the rest of the usual suspects are saying about the NRA anymore. There's more to it than that; i.e., documents are now out there, from the 990's now linked to by Calguns to a variety of other "NRA documents" which the media has, heretofore, mostly referenced, but hasn't linked to. As a result, members and others are asking questions, on Calguns and other 'gun boards.' Thus, it's no longer a case of being able to simply dismiss this as: "CNN is a commie, pinko, fascist organization in Bloomberg's pocket bent on destroying America and the 2nd Amendment, with anyone who watches them being a traitorous dog who is a stupid, Liberal troll."

As a result, continuing to point to articles from demonstrably biased media sources not only misses the point, it fails to address the actual source materials inspiring the questions now being asked. It's not about how those media sources may/may not be 'spinning' the information, it's about addressing the information itself. For instance...
  • It doesn't matter the time frame for LaPierre's wardrobe purchases, the fact remains that he had the organization(s) cover nearly a quarter million dollars in wardrobe purchases
  • Does the NRA normally cover $15,000 in rent for interns; i.e., why did the organization cover the rent for this person?
  • Is/Was it a proper strategy to involve the organization in multiple issues of the culture war, creating an appearance of supporting a specific Party, dedicating their limited resources to such, or should they remain solely focused on gun issues?
  • Etc.

What people are trying to tell you is that you're presenting hyperbole, attempting to discredit the message, and not addressing the questions which arise from the actual information. Whatever the rationale for the expenditures being discussed, whatever the time frame, at this juncture, simply deflecting questions as "attacks on the 2nd Amendment" isn't going to put out the fire, dissipate the smoke, or create understanding where understanding (e.g., tolerance, acceptance, trust) doesn't already exist or has been shaken.

Part of the problem is you keep pointing to what LaPierre did 20 - 30 years ago as to why he's a personal hero to you. Fine. But, that sidesteps the issues being questioned. Prior acts do not ensure that current actions are legitimate or correct. This isn't about "jealousy and envy" for the vast majority. If the rationale and time frames involved are legitimate, then it should be no problem to publicly defend/explain them; not by pointing to prior acts, but by specifically addressing the actions being questioned. Anything else simply creates grounds for additional questions in that it appears as though you are avoiding them or dismissing them without examination.

If they aren't legitimate, then the simple explanations should be enough to quell the questions of most. (You will never satisfy everyone, no matter how simple and straightforward the answer.)

If the answers are not so 'simple' or they further enhance the "appearance of impropriety," I'd much rather it was the NRA which 'cleaned up the mess' than the State of New York, the IRS, and other Government agencies. That seems to be the angle which North and West were pursuing; i.e., these issues are being used to discredit you and, by derivative, the NRA. As part of the effort to 'clean up the mess,' we suggest you step down, even if as a 'sacrificial lamb' to help the NRA regain the 'high ground' in the PR battle surrounding all of this so that the "appearance of impropriety" doesn't negatively impact continued donations, member recruitment/retention, et al.

Whatever their true motivation may or may not be, it is a normal and legitimate strategy which is commonly pursued in such circumstances. Clearly, the Board has decided on a different strategy. However, in doing so, they are going to have to deal with the negative perceptions created by specifically addressing the questions raised by the documents and actions taken. If the intent was to attack the NRA and embarrass LaPierre (which is what his letter specifically stated), but the rationale is legitimate and sound, then why would LaPierre be embarrassed - which can be interpreted, rightly or wrongly, by his failure to specifically address the questions raised.

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That's what I said in the other thread...

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Stay focused on the what's important - the 2nd Amendment. The NRA, as an organization, is just ONE organization in that fight. While it may be the 'biggest' gorilla... currently... we have to put in the room, it's not the ONLY gorilla in the room and the current dust-up might even spawn more/bigger gorillas and might even make our 'biggest' gorilla an even bigger one if the powers that be at the NRA handle it right. The danger is, if those same people handle it 'wrong,' it might not only reduce the size/strength of the gorilla, but might remove it from the room altogether...

As I and many others are indicating, something good can come from all of this and it doesn't necessarily mean a "purge" of the leadership or a radical change of direction is required. The first step, however, is to put the questions in the rear view mirror and it's going to take more than name-calling and "rope-a-dope" to make that happen; particularly given Bloomberg, et al.'s continued ad campaigns, the New York State Attorney General, etc. That's the essential message that needs to be out there.

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Im not really doubting Wayne spent some chickenfeed money. He is the CEO of a nearly 6 million member organization, Im saying this is of ZERO concern to me.
To put things in todays dollars. I searched for what people who contribute nothing to liberty make.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbad.../#5b6f0b562e26.

"But for all of the success on and off the court of the NBA’s biggest stars, they can’t touch a trio of global soccer icons and a pair of fighters who hooked up for a historic night last August. The NBA’s top earner, LeBron James, banked $85.5 million, including endorsements, over the last 12 months to rank sixth among the highest-paid athletes." nearly 86,000,000 to dunce that cannot even complete a sentence !

Recently these network pukes with their locked sex rooms and near rapes,casting couches, etc making 60 mill a year and they report on Wayne spending this piddly amount on suits and travel.

Even flunky Lt Col North is worth millions. Not bad for a Lt Bird who IMO is now and has always been a statist phony!

This is not to complain about what anyone makes, it is point out media hypocrisy and put things in perspective!

For the record I contribute to the NRA and will continue and for what its worth, sports people make nothing off me. I don't watch the games, buy the crummy sneakers or shop where they advertise!
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Im not really doubting Wayne spent some chickenfeed money. He is the CEO of a nearly 6 million member organization, Im saying this is of ZERO concern to me.
Okay. Got it. THAT is your argument. Fine, insofar as it goes. Personally, even given my propensity for loquaciousness at times, I'd let it go at that.

Why? Because everything from that point on is hyperbole and that seems to be what people are reacting to.

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I searched for what people who contribute nothing to liberty make...

The NBA’s top earner, LeBron James, banked $85.5 million, including endorsements, over the last 12 months...

Recently these network pukes with their locked sex rooms and near rapes,casting couches, etc making 60 mill a year...

Even flunky Lt Col North is worth millions...

This is not to complain about what anyone makes, it is point out media hypocrisy and put things in perspective...
Who cares? What does that have to do with addressing the questions raised by the documents (not the media) that are now public? If they provide you sufficient cause, personally, to say that any 'transgression' by LaPierre is 'chicken feed' by comparison, so you don't care... fine. You've already said that it's of ZERO concern to you.

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For the record I contribute to the NRA and will continue...
Good. If you have no concerns, there's no reason you shouldn't continue to contribute.

However, if you are not able to directly and specifically address the questions and allay the concerns of those to whom the documents and actions have troubled, I'm not seeing how continuing to name call and point to what others are/aren't doing in a different context helps. Whatever the motivation(s) is/are for North and West, as well as among other members, calling them names accomplishes as much as them calling LaPierre names. Whatever an NBA player or a media personality makes is irrelevant in that they are not drawing their pay from NRA coffers. Might it speak to the motivation if they speak about the NRA negatively? Maybe. But, does it address the questions/concerns, sans the 'spin,' raised by actually viewing the documents?

Therein lies the real problem. If there is 'hypocrisy,' if that's the right word, in the media presentation, it's not about the 'facts.' It's about how they are presenting the facts. As we now see, the 'facts' are actually valid. (Again, this is why Calguns now has a section showing the 990's, not just for the NRA, but for the Brady Campaign, Everytown, Giffords, etc.) How those facts are being 'spun' is a different discussion and not necessarily representative of the concerns being expressed by the membership. Remember, pointing to the 'bad actions' of one doesn't justify the 'bad actions' of another; even if the scale of the offense is significantly different.

My sense is that what a percentage (whatever that is) of the membership is now asking for is transparency; i.e., an explanation for how the money (a finite resource for the organization) is being utilized. If you don't see it as a problem, then vote accordingly. If they see it as contrary to their expectations, then you cannot hold it against them for voting consistent with their beliefs. If you want to 'fix' or 'change' what you see as a miscarriage of justice (e.g., incorrect beliefs), then you need to address the specific issues.

Many of us are more than old enough to remember the Clinton/Reno era and long before. Most are well aware of the media agenda and, hopefully, the majority are reacting, not to the media narrative, but the actual documentation; which is why I originally started the thread... The Source For The Heated Exchanges Regarding the NRA... and why Calguns has opened the above linked forum where Kestryll declared...

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As stated this forum is about transparency, data is data and facts are facts they favor no one and should be taken as they are.
At this point, we have 'most' of the 'documentable facts' we're likely to get; at least for now.

We have the media spin.

We have personal opinions; much unrelated, at least directly, to the 'facts' and more to perceptions of individuals involved.

What we DON'T have is very much in terms of LaPierre, et al.'s side of the story and that is what's creating much of the problem. If all they intend to say is that it's an attempt to embarrass LaPierre, it's a power play, it's an attack on the 2nd Amendment/your rights, we have faith in LaPierre, but remains sketchy (at best) in terms of addressing the specifics, well... I'm sad to say that is going to leave A LOT of open territory for 'interpretation' and people will remain askance. What that means in terms of donations, recruitment/retention, etc. is open for debate.
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I would advise Wayne to just keep quiet.

This is a nothing story for nearly all NRA members. In fact its likely very few members even know of the spending aspect.
I didn't until I saw it on cal gun.s

The democrats will just keep slanting, and demonizing him for these insignificant expenses, trying to create a wedge between members and an effective CEO,over what I would call legitimate expenses.

These media chumps remind me of what one my EX SO's said when I bought a new Cadillac.

"Well its so wasteful, you could have kept the money, you could have bought a chevy, you could have had the house painted! a new carpet blah, blah,blah"... !

Like I earned the car, Wayne earned the perks !

just saying anyone can find fault with what others spend. Its all in how the charges are worded.
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I would advise Wayne to just keep quiet.

This is a nothing story for nearly all NRA members. In fact its likely very few members even know of the spending aspect.
I didn't until I saw it on cal gun.s

The democrats will just keep slanting, and demonizing him for these insignificant expenses, trying to create a wedge between members and an effective CEO,over what I would call legitimate expenses.

These media chumps remind me of what one my EX SO's said when I bought a new Cadillac.

"Well its so wasteful, you could have kept the money, you could have bought a chevy, you could have had the house painted! a new carpet blah, blah,blah"... !

Like I earned the car, Wayne earned the perks !

just saying anyone can find fault with what others spend. Its all in how the charges are worded.
Except these aren't supposed to be "perks", he's stealing. You wouldn't call bribes to a politician a "perk" of the job, it's corruption. And plenty of members are well aware of what's going on. There's a whole lot of people that are very vocal on other forums, youtube, and blogs. The point is, we are in a non-stop battle over our rights, a fight that we are losing. Instead of using every dollar they have to fight gun control, Wayne is taking a bunch of the money for himself. I'm sure the million+ that he has stolen/wasted would've been much better used to fight gun control, and I'm sure 90% of NRA members would agree. It's especially insulting to many members when the NRA is constantly pushing for donations while claiming you will lose your rights or the organization will go under if you don't give them more money. The fact that Wayne is completely ignoring the accusations and the BOD seems to be trying to cover them up is quite telling in my opinion. Between the leaks, their history, and even other board members coming out about the shady ways of the NRA leadership, I don't see how any member could just shrug this off.
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Wayne has been effective and still is.

I would rather have him who always wins and looks good than someone who watches every dollar, shows up with crappy clothes, in need of grooming and is half hearted or worse concerning our rights. He didn't need to take on the UN or FBI/ATF or Fast and Furious but he did.

If he is stealing he will be charged, until then then this is just political bs,where some are trying to take him down for whatever reason.

Until he is proven guilty I will stand by him. IMO he is not easily replaced.
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Wayne has been effective and still is.

I would rather have him who always wins and looks good than someone who watches every dollar, shows up with crappy clothes, in need of grooming and is half hearted or worse concerning our rights. He didn't need to take on the UN or FBI/ATF or Fast and Furious but he did.

If he is stealing he will be charged, until then then this is just political bs,where some are trying to take him down for whatever reason.

Until he is proven guilty I will stand by him. IMO he is not easily replaced.
You have never answered my question as to what specifically Wayne has done. Wayne himself doesn't do anything other than get up on stage and recite the usual BS lines and take money from the NRA. HE is not responsible for anything positive relating to 2A. He himself is not fighting anything. He didn't do any of the things you claim. And I assume for most of us, we'd rather have someone who can't afford nice clothes but truly cares for our rights, rather than someone who dresses nice and lies, steals, and sells out the people they are supposed to fight for.
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You have never answered my question as to what specifically Wayne has done. Wayne himself doesn't do anything other than get up on stage and recite the usual BS lines and take money from the NRA. HE is not responsible for anything positive relating to 2A. He himself is not fighting anything. He didn't do any of the things you claim. And I assume for most of us, we'd rather have someone who can't afford nice clothes but truly cares for our rights, rather than someone who dresses nice and lies, steals, and sells out the people they are supposed to fight for.

You're wasting you breath man. He's not changing his mind or his view. His just gonna show up everytime someone calls out the NRA on bull**** and call everyone in the thread Democrats or some none sense. It doesn't matter what source you get, or who you quote. For him, everything the NRA does is acceptable.

Wanna charter private jets for your bremuda vacation on the company dime? Go for it. Wanna pay for an interns $4k rent for several months? Sure why not. Wanna dump $24 million into a legal practice with no oversight? Have at it. And while you're doing all that continue to spam your members with flyers/emails/phone calls about how you need just a little bit more money to fight the next scary law. And to top that off go ahead and support executive over reach (that the opposing party has already said they will use as well). All these things are ok in the mind of at least one NRA member. And anyone that says it's wrong has just bought into the evil media's rhetoric.
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You're wasting you breath man. He's not changing his mind or his view. His just gonna show up everytime someone calls out the NRA on bull**** and call everyone in the thread Democrats or some none sense. It doesn't matter what source you get, or who you quote. For him, everything the NRA does is acceptable.

Wanna charter private jets for your bremuda vacation on the company dime? Go for it. Wanna pay for an interns $4k rent for several months? Sure why not. Wanna dump $24 million into a legal practice with no oversight? Have at it. And while you're doing all that continue to spam your members with flyers/emails/phone calls about how you need just a little bit more money to fight the next scary law. And to top that off go ahead and support executive over reach (that the opposing party has already said they will use as well). All these things are ok in the mind of at least one NRA member. And anyone that says it's wrong has just bought into the evil media's rhetoric.
I know. I tried to comprehend how it's possible for someone to have their head so far up their own a**, but my head just winds up hurting. It concerns me that people like him and Non Political Californian are how a lot of people see all of us gun owners.

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I know. I tried to comprehend how it's possible for someone to have their head so far up their own a**, but my head just winds up hurting. It concerns me that people like him and TrappedinCalifornia are how a lot of people see all of us gun owners.
I've remained, mostly, 'neutral' on the NRA debate. What I was telling ja308 is, in essence, the same thing you did; i.e., answer the specifics on the current issues or let it go. Name calling doesn't help, whether it's him or 'the other side' of the issue. You don't have to 'hate on' or 'flame' everyone you disagree with; which was a major part of my point.

You and I seem to agree that LaPierre (among others) need to come out and address the situation, specifically. Both sides are currently judging things without both sides being fully heard; although, if all LaPierre has to offer is that this is an 'attack,' that will speak volumes to many. Once the opportunity is taken or not, there will come a time when members will need to vote/act accordingly. Right now, all we've got is one group all in favor of a 'lynch mob' approach, another group of die-hard loyalists (not to the organization so much as a very small group of officers), and most in the membership looking for answers if they can get them to make a truly informed decision.

If your problem with me is something else, then so be it. But, if being a 'gun owner' means being like, thinking like, talking like, acting like a small group of members or you're not a 'real' gun owner, then that would seem to be yet another... issue.

Narrowing things to the NRA, as ja308 has, at times, inartfully observed, the organization has 5 - 6 million members, with whatever percentage of the presumed 100 million gun owners in America being supportive, averse to, cheering for, shying from, et al. the organization. In other words, the NRA membership is a 'sample group' of gun owners in America and, obviously, that sample group is a mix of personalities, approaches, opinions, etc.

As a result, not ALL gun owners are going to be viewed the same or viewed the same by everyone. Not ALL gun owners are going to agree on everything, even as to the limits or lack of limitations on our right to keep and bear arms. But, if 'everyone not exactly the way I think they should be' becomes the 'enemy,' it won't be long before allies in the fight to maintain those rights are gonna be hard to come by.

Agree or not. That's your prerogative. As I've said, if this is handled correctly, this could be a good thing. On the other hand, if this is handled badly, ALL gun owners could find themselves hamstrung, one way or another, at least in the short term, when it comes to the fight for our rights.

If the NRA is headed in the wrong direction, then the membership, which is who constitutes the NRA, needs to change the course. If new officers are needed to accomplish that, then so be it. However, whatever decisions are made, there will always be some in the membership who disagree. If we don't keep our eye on the prize and 'Balkan-ize' gun owners into those we fully agree with and 'everyone else is our enemy'... the future don't look so good.
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I've remained, mostly, 'neutral' on the NRA debate. What I was telling ja308 is, in essence, the same thing you did; i.e., answer the specifics on the current issues or let it go. Name calling doesn't help, whether it's him or 'the other side' of the issue. You don't have to 'hate on' or 'flame' everyone you disagree with; which was a major part of my point.

You and I seem to agree that LaPierre (among others) need to come out and address the situation, specifically. Both sides are currently judging things without both sides being fully heard; although, if all LaPierre has to offer is that this is an 'attack,' that will speak volumes to many. Once the opportunity is taken or not, there will come a time when members will need to vote/act accordingly. Right now, all we've got is one group all in favor of a 'lynch mob' approach, another group of die-hard loyalists (not to the organization so much as a very small group of officers), and most in the membership looking for answers if they can get them to make a truly informed decision.

If your problem with me is something else, then so be it. But, if being a 'gun owner' means being like, thinking like, talking like, acting like a small group of members or you're not a 'real' gun owner, then that would seem to be yet another... issue.

Narrowing things to the NRA, as ja308 has, at times, inartfully observed, the organization has 5 - 6 million members, with whatever percentage of the presumed 100 million gun owners in America being supportive, averse to, cheering for, shying from, et al. the organization. In other words, the NRA membership is a 'sample group' of gun owners in America and, obviously, that sample group is a mix of personalities, approaches, opinions, etc.

As a result, not ALL gun owners are going to be viewed the same or viewed the same by everyone. Not ALL gun owners are going to agree on everything, even as to the limits or lack of limitations on our right to keep and bear arms. But, if 'everyone not exactly the way I think they should be' becomes the 'enemy,' it won't be long before allies in the fight to maintain those rights are gonna be hard to come by.

Agree or not. That's your prerogative. As I've said, if this is handled correctly, this could be a good thing. On the other hand, if this is handled badly, ALL gun owners could find themselves hamstrung, one way or another, at least in the short term, when it comes to the fight for our rights.

If the NRA is headed in the wrong direction, then the membership, which is who constitutes the NRA, needs to change the course. If new officers are needed to accomplish that, then so be it. However, whatever decisions are made, there will always be some in the membership who disagree. If we don't keep our eye on the prize and 'Balkan-ize' gun owners into those we fully agree with and 'everyone else is our enemy'... the future don't look so good.
I apologize, I got the names mixed up. Didn't mean you, I meant Non Political Californian.
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I apologize, I got the names mixed up. Didn't mean you, I meant Non Political Californian.
Okay. That makes sense.
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Last night we attended a sportsmans dinner where regular club members all attend.
Among the members is a nice guy,humourous, not very affluent, democrat who IMO is wrong on every issue. i.e. he hates Sarah Palin,Donald Trump, and nearly every other person I hold in high esteem.

Last night,out of the blue he began a rant on Wayne La Pierre. LOL I now feel completely vindicated in my support for Wayne.
BTW I smiled and said " I love that guy " !
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Last night we attended a sportsmans dinner where regular club members all attend.
Among the members is a nice guy,humourous, not very affluent, democrat who IMO is wrong on every issue. i.e. he hates Sarah Palin,Donald Trump, and nearly every other person I hold in high esteem.

Last night,out of the blue he began a rant on Wayne La Pierre. LOL I now feel completely vindicated in my support for Wayne.
BTW I smiled and said " I love that guy " !
Really? Believe it or not, a lot for dems hated Hillary, does that mean you love her too?
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Really? Believe it or not, a lot for dems hated Hillary, does that mean you love her too?
I was talking about one individual I know to be always wrong. Not democrats who are wrong 99% !
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Tom Gresham just did another dive into the NRA Financials on his radio show."NRA situation that is unfolding that many people including those in the NRA want to pretend is not there."

He & others have been talking about it since the convention. The general review is, Wayne needs to go and there needs to he a house cleaning at NRA HQ. "Hundreds of Millions that the NRA has spent on PR, private jets, housing for intern, and Wayne's suits."
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Tom Gresham just did another dive into the NRA Financials on his radio show."NRA situation that is unfolding that many people including those in the NRA want to pretend is not there."

He & others have been talking about it since the convention. The general review is, Wayne needs to go and there needs to he a house cleaning at NRA HQ. "Hundreds of Millions that the NRA has spent on PR, private jets, housing for intern, and Wayne's suits."
Yep. Unfortunately, the NRA don't care what their supporters want unless they stop getting money in. These greedy backstabbing people running the organization are going to kill it. The only way to force them to change is to cut off their donations.
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Here’s what I do believe. We need a strong NRA. We need to immediately get rid of every PR program costing millions and producing only income for the agency. We need board members who will talk about what’s going on behind closed doors. I also believe that a whirlwind is heading toward the largest gun-rights group and that this storm is of its own making.

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Im with Wayne until I have proof of wrongdoing !
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Here’s what I do believe. We need a strong NRA. We need to immediately get rid of every PR program costing millions and producing only income for the agency. We need board members who will talk about what’s going on behind closed doors. I also believe that a whirlwind is heading toward the largest gun-rights group and that this storm is of its own making.

Tom Gresham

Im with Wayne until I have proof of wrongdoing !

As Tom Gresham said multiple times, he believes what is coming out because it matches what he has been seeing with the Association for years. Further, the 990s already show that the Wayne and his team have been using the NRA for their own piggy bank. The fact that Wayne took a $4 million advance on his retirement and later froze the pensions of NRA employees many of whom are making less than $40k a year ought to be the proof you need.

As for Wayne, the NRA BOD tried to get Wayne to fire AckMac back when the contract was only $5 million a year and not giving the NRA BOD feedback or accounting information to judge the effectiveness. Wayne refused repeatedly then joined with AckMac to target the BOD members looking to get rid of the PR firm. Wayne is up to his neck in this and has been from the start. He is not some dupe.

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More coverage of the NRA and one of the few reporters who is actually covering the NRA's problems.
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I see nothing in this article.
Although this does stand out !

Starting in 2014, Gutowski channeled his hobby into a full-time beat at the Free Beacon, which required him to learn ever more about the NRA, “by and large the most important organization when it comes to firearms,” Gutowski says. His connections to the organization are many—not only has he covered it closely (last year, he went strapped to its annual meeting) and appeared on its NRATV service, he’s also an on-and-off member who is currently on—”because you need a membership to attend the board meeting,” he explains. “I don’t think it creates any real conflict of interest but I do my best to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest whenever possible,” he writes in a follow-up email. “If an NRA membership helps me better report a story, as it did in this case, then I think it’s justifiable to have one.”

This guy is admitting to be a mole ! What is this ?
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I see nothing in this article.
Although this does stand out !

Starting in 2014, Gutowski channeled his hobby into a full-time beat at the Free Beacon, which required him to learn ever more about the NRA, “by and large the most important organization when it comes to firearms,” Gutowski says. His connections to the organization are many—not only has he covered it closely (last year, he went strapped to its annual meeting) and appeared on its NRATV service, he’s also an on-and-off member who is currently on—”because you need a membership to attend the board meeting,” he explains. “I don’t think it creates any real conflict of interest but I do my best to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest whenever possible,” he writes in a follow-up email. “If an NRA membership helps me better report a story, as it did in this case, then I think it’s justifiable to have one.”

This guy is admitting to be a mole ! What is this ?

The point, this is not going away, and not all of the coverage is from Bloomberg investigative reporters looking for the dirt on the NRA in an effort to bring the NRA down. Which would be impossible if Wayne and company did not have the financial equivalent of hookers in the trunk of the car.

There are lots of people who are digging into the financial chicanery because they supported the NRA and are miffed their time, money, and sweat went to buy Wayne suits and paying for an intern's apartment.
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The point, this is not going away, and not all of the coverage is from Bloomberg investigative reporters looking for the dirt on the NRA in an effort to bring the NRA down. Which would be impossible if Wayne and company did not have the financial equivalent of hookers in the trunk of the car.

There are lots of people who are digging into the financial chicanery because they supported the NRA and are miffed their time, money, and sweat went to buy Wayne suits and paying for an intern's apartment.
Naw its over and big media failed once again to get traction with another fake story.

its OK for you to keep it going however and I suggest you go to the thread started by Trickster under general gun discussions.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1534808
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So the the NRA is not in dire financial straights? The NRA is not charging the NRA Foundation $6 mil a year in rent? The NRA pensions for staffers was not frozen? The NRA Carry Guard program was not a garbage fire of fail? The NRA is not being investigate by the NY AG? The NRA has not been paying a law firm whose top lawyer gives big $$$ to anti-gun Dems $97,000.00 a day to the tune of about $24 Million? Wayne has not spent an unknown amount of money on chartered jets one which cost $40k. It is all lies? Or just the truth the NRA did not want made public.
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So the the NRA is not in dire financial straights? The NRA is not charging the NRA Foundation $6 mil a year in rent? The NRA pensions for staffers was not frozen? The NRA Carry Guard program was not a garbage fire of fail? The NRA is not being investigate by the NY AG? The NRA has not been paying a law firm whose top lawyer gives big $$$ to anti-gun Dems $97,000.00 a day to the tune of about $24 Million? Wayne has not spent an unknown amount of money on chartered jets one which cost $40k. It is all lies? Or just the truth the NRA did not want made public.
You're arguing with a brick wall friend. Give up now before you lose your sanity questioning how someone's head got so far up their own a**.
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As Tom Gresham said multiple times, he believes what is coming out because it matches what he has been seeing with the Association for years. Further, the 990s already show that the Wayne and his team have been using the NRA for their own piggy bank. The fact that Wayne took a $4 million advance on his retirement and later froze the pensions of NRA employees many of whom are making less than $40k a year ought to be the proof you need.

As for Wayne, the NRA BOD tried to get Wayne to fire AckMac back when the contract was only $5 million a year and not giving the NRA BOD feedback or accounting information to judge the effectiveness. Wayne refused repeatedly then joined with AckMac to target the BOD members looking to get rid of the PR firm. Wayne is up to his neck in this and has been from the start. He is not some dupe.
This is the correct answer. It's kind of sad, and vaguely comical, to see people still get rabid when defending the NRA. Of course, they have been the tip of the spear for many years. But they have shown them selves to be rotten.

NRA Will not get another dime from me until Wayne is gone and these problems have been addressed. I will continue to contribute to CRPA and the ILA. Those who blindly trust Wayne, and believe he walks on water, are fools.
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This is the correct answer. It's kind of sad, and vaguely comical, to see people still get rabid when defending the NRA. Of course, they have been the tip of the spear for many years. But they have shown them selves to be rotten.

NRA Will not get another dime from me until Wayne is gone and these problems have been addressed. I will continue to contribute to CRPA and the ILA. Those who blindly trust Wayne, and believe he walks on water, are fools.
I seriously doubt you were ever an NRA member ! The hatred and venom you have for the NRA and its members is deep seated and didn't come from these most recent stories.

Someone put a slam on Wayne hiring Charlton Heston to take out Neil Knox, for the record it was Charlton Heston and the NRA who beat Al Gore by continually putting West Virginia and Tennessee in play for the GOP. Instead of having a sworn enemy, we got a good friend in GWB!

AlGORE would speak in West Virginia and get support, then CH would go and expose A G for being a gun grabbing loser! Then Tennessee, back and forth CH would cause Algore to lose both those critical states where he should have won.

Wayne La Pierre is smart, knows the enemy, knows how to win and that is my only concern. I dont care about any of those expenses even if Bloomberg/Soros/Democrat media versions are true!

For the record, I was part of the Neil Knox, no compromise coalition. In hindsight I was WRONG! Knox would have had the NRA as just another GOA .
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Someone forgets that in his first interview after being elected NRA President Heston stated there was no need for any honest citizen to own an AR15. Also Heston's private planes and public appearance as NRA President were billed as PR work for the NRA through AckMac.
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