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Gun Range FUD and bad luck
Visited our local gun range today, on I frequent semi-often. As the representative was inspecting my ammunition I opened my handgun case which contained four separated loaded magazines, separated and not inserted into the handgun.
She very tactfully begins to explain that this is not allowed and is considered a felony. I told her no its not. I explained why it wasn't. The representative then rallied all the other representatives who then repeat that it was illegal and a felony to transport ammo in the same container as the firearm, even if it was locked and separate; not physically attached to the firearm. Great, good for you guys but 5 people repeating something doesn't make it accurate. While transporting in this fashion may raise eyebrows, I'm not concerned with what opinions of best practice are, at the end of the day I'm well within my rights and its frustrating that one of the few refuges that allow us to shoot at (thats not BLM) is so misinformed. One of the other representatives also made a comment that "You CAN transport that way, but if an officer were to see that he would arrest you...but the charges would be dropped". Right....While I know an officer can detain you for pretty much ANYTHING, that goes without saying. Besides all that, it was just an unlucky day at the range. Some guy next to us shot my wife's shoot-n-c target with birdshot, then the motor on my target cable broke. Bad day overall.
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Refer them to the CHP website. The laws on transporting firearms is there and correct.
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If I had to guess, this was at Firing Line Indoor shooting range. They supposedly had some DOJ guy come and spread the FUD in the first place and have been repeating that since as far as I can tell. Maybe it wasnt that range though, but I do know they said the same thing to me once.
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Had a firearms discussion with a retired leo sat. who is anti calif., pro 2nd amend., and has MSR's (modern sporting rifles) up the wazoo. I asked about carrying mags in same locked container as handgun, and he was adamant that by using some fish and game regulations, that it was illegal.
He stated he not only arrested these individuals, but got convictions in this manner. I asked why he would do this to otherwise law abiding people, and he said they were acting like d$$ks, and otherwise he wouldn't have. Maybe I didn't get all the details, but he told me a few times fish and game regs. were there, and to look them up. I haven't yet, but OP's thread was a good time to throw this out there. |
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can someone post a link please to the CHP site or the PDF - thank you
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http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html#05 |
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Ironically I had just had a printout in my bag, but the range I have been frequenting (that just closed due to Gov't shutdown) knew transporting laws. Quote:
she then told me "blah blah its for your protection. If you wanted to use high cap mags (in non-featureless configurations) we don't care but if an officer saw you we wouldn't want that happening here" Like wtf? so double standard, and promoting a felony!
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I would have told that person to check me in and I'll worry how I transport my weapon. If they were just being nice about it and their intent was to keep you out of trouble then it just goes into one ear and out the other. If they were trying to reprimand you then the heck with them. Last edited by retired; 10-08-2013 at 1:41 PM.. |
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Oh wow I completely forgot to mention as part of my bad luck, I had a severe failure of a federal 9mm bulk round. went click with no boom, waited 10 seconds, then racked the slide. out pours the powder EVERYWHERE unburnt and the bullet was lodged in the barrel.
Just thought it was ironic because of all the reloaded ammo i was shooting that day the one magazine (that even more ironically was my HD magazine), the first round was a dud. now that I think of it, If i really needed that in a life/death situation, i would have been hurting.
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Why did you fight it? Is there anything wrong with respectfully letting the employees finish their explanation, thanking them for their concern, and continuing about your business anyways?
Were they not gonna let you shoot unless you had "corrected" their concern? |
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I'm almost sad I haven't had a chance to be in the same situation. I'd challenge her to call the authorities, having witnessed a "felony". If she really felt so strongly that it was illegal, it would be well within her rights to call the police.
In short, I'd bluff. I'm not much of a confrontational guy though, I'd rather kick the ball back to them and let them deal with it rather than argue.... |
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Haha, somehow each and everyone of those dark green Marines had a no shave chit... razor bumps, HA!
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I attended a firearms continuing education course this past weekend, and one of the presenters was Michel and Associates. As an attorney, I had long viewed this as a legal grey area, but where you may be able to fight it and win. Of course, there are practical considerations. For starters, because the law is less than crystal clear in this area, there are lots of LEOs who will arrest you for this. For the same reason, you may get a zealous prosecutor who feels like rolling the dice even though he or she may not be 100% confident in their case against you. In any of these scenarios, and even if you get the DA to drop the charges, you will likely be spending a whole hell of a lot of money in attorney’s fees and expenses in fighting it. In my opinion (and seemingly everyone else’s), that is just not worth the risk.
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Wish I could remember the case name,,,,,,it would be good to have that ruling on paper just in case.... edit: Found it in (of all places) my glove compartment! People v. Clark 1996 More info and the ruling here: http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Peo...ark-(1996).pdf Last edited by sofbak; 10-09-2013 at 7:12 PM.. |
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I don't think so. They spelled it out clearly via "ordinary sense"...
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LEOs are not lawyers, and you cannot expect them to be well-versed in appellate decisions while in the field. At the same time, prosecutors unfamiliar with the finer points of firearms law may not be persuaded, either. Quoting Michel (immediately following the Clark discussion): Quote:
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I agree that all leos in the field are not up to date on court issued precedents and certainly all future rulings are based on the opinions of the issuing party, and you can never know for sure how it goes...
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And even if arrested for this, it would seem even more improbable that even a (moderately) intelligent DA would go forward with charges. But I acknowledge the plethora of variables in play from one district to the next, so I have to admit we'll never know for sure until a case comes along to settle it....... |
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