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Old 01-13-2018, 8:49 PM
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Talking Any legal advice on AR Bolt action conversion ?

I would like to hear from someone about the legality of converting my AR15 to a bolt action rifle. My first thought is to remove the gas block and tube and cap the gas port in the barrel with a bolt on collar around the gas port. I can cycle the action with the existing charging handle or build a side charger lever to do so. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks for your help.
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Old 01-14-2018, 6:01 AM
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Since 2000, CA DOJ has accepted that an AR style rifle with it's gas tube/piston removed and the gas block plugged, is no longer a semi-auto rifle and is a manually operated rifle.
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Old 01-14-2018, 6:12 AM
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If you want legal advice you should post this in one of the Legal forums. Like in "How does CA law affect me?"
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if you want legal advice DONT ask here on calguns. "because the guys on calguns said it was ok" is NOT a sound legal defense
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Old 01-14-2018, 8:27 AM
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Not legal advice, but I would just get a good bolt action gun and run the AR featureless or sell it. If you are stuck on AR aesthetics get a Ruger Precision Rifle. A decent bolt action will almost certainly shoot better than a bubba'd AR.
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Old 01-14-2018, 9:26 AM
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if you want legal advice DONT ask here on calguns. "because the guys on calguns said it was ok" is NOT a sound legal defense
Good point. Best to ask a lawyer familiar with the subject.
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Old 01-14-2018, 10:59 AM
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I don't see the answer to this question as "Legal Advice."

I see it as common sense. If people can't understand what they read they probably should just stick with fishing or other less technical pursuits.

If the gun is Manually Operated it is not a Semi or Full Automatic Firearm.

Simple as that.

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Old 01-15-2018, 4:55 AM
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You're probably fine.

Ask a lawyer and you can get a very expensive 'probably'
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I would like to hear from someone about the legality of converting my AR15 to a bolt action rifle. My first thought is to remove the gas block and tube and cap the gas port in the barrel with a bolt on collar around the gas port. I can cycle the action with the existing charging handle or build a side charger lever to do so. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks for your help.
It would be easier to just plug the gas block. If you do it permanently with a blob of weld or something like Devcon, you can replace it cheaply if you go out of state. Ideally you would have a short handguard so you can show cops it's not a semi-auto.
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Old 01-16-2018, 9:23 AM
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My first thought is to remove the gas block and tube and cap the gas port in the barrel with a bolt on collar around the gas port.
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It would be easier to just plug the gas block. If you do it permanently with a blob of weld or something like Devcon, you can replace it cheaply if you go out of state.
Not sure how you're solution is easier? In either case you have to get to the gas block, and to reverse the mod, you likely would have to replace the block.
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:11 AM
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I would just remove the whole gas block assy and get the port welded.
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http://uintahprecision.com

AR15’s in the works as well.
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Old 01-16-2018, 3:16 PM
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FWIW I did this a few months ago on the cheap, I bought the AR stoner side charging upper and then tig welded and polished up the gas port and viola manual action. It shoots really well despite what a lot of the nay sayers say. I left the buffer internals in tact and all I have to do is pull back and let go. its no different than hitting the BHO or charging it off the mag with the standard handle. I had an extra barrel and the upper with BCG was 234.00 on sale through Midway at the time. Like an above post said its not about if it is legal it is simply not a semi auto center fire rifle anymore and there is no way to dispute it. Not gonna lie I was hesitant to attempt it because lets be honest it sucks to neuter the rifle but at this point until something changes this is where we are at. I am glad I did it shoots nice and I can still enjoy it.
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Old 01-16-2018, 3:19 PM
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http://uintahprecision.com

AR15’s in the works as well.
At the time one of these guys posted a thread gauging interest on these. The price point is hard to swallow, But I do understand it because of the quality in workmanship that goes into them. If I was able to do it I might buy one myself.
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http://uintahprecision.com

AR15’s in the works as well.
Pretty good! and a great option to keep AR enjoyable to shoot.
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This is not legal advise, just a recomendation.

Sorry if this was mentioned already but you could easily remove the gas block, remove the gas tube, then install said gas block upside down.

If the gas tube is a pita to get off then get a cheap one and mount upside down.
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Old 01-16-2018, 6:52 PM
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You can also buy a barrel that does not have a gas port. I did this when I built my straight pull bolt action.
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Guys keep saying flip the gas block over. It would seem to me for a lot of handgaurds this won’t work. The gas tube port is up under the picatinny rail and I know at least on mine you could not flip it due to this. There was not enough space between it and the bottom of the hand guard.
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You can also buy a barrel that does not have a gas port. I did this when I built my straight pull bolt action.
Who did you buy it from ? A few guys have mentioned they can’t find them in other threads.
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I guess I would say that a featureless is a better solution. The AR-15 doesn't have enough camming power for a straight pull action.
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I guess I would say that a featureless is a better solution. The AR-15 doesn't have enough camming power for a straight pull action.
I’ve heard people say this. But I can’t see how it is any different than pulling the standard charging handle and letting go. Or closing the bho



Or are you talking about the ejecting side of things?

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Guys keep saying flip the gas block over. It would seem to me for a lot of handgaurds this won’t work. The gas tube port is up under the picatinny rail and I know at least on mine you could not flip it due to this. There was not enough space between it and the bottom of the hand guard.
I'm with you. I've said this myself a time or two. This method won't work with a long-ish handguard.

Better to simply move the GB forward about 1/8", or whatever it takes to offset the hole alignment. Or weld up the holes in the GB. Or use a barrel with no gas port (or one that's been welded over).
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Who did you buy it from ? A few guys have mentioned they can’t find them in other threads.
I bought the barrel from Green Mountain.

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I bought the barrel from Green Mountain.

Nice looking Rifle! Awesome thanks for the link I am gonna check it out because I do have a spare lower.....
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I’ve heard people say this. But I can’t see how it is any different than pulling the standard charging handle and letting go. Or closing the bho



Or are you talking about the ejecting side of things?

Yes, removing the case that has been fired and expanded against the chamber is where the problems can occur.

I have a straight pull SKS and about every 5th round takes an extra hard yank to eject.

Some factory pumps and straight pulls flute the chamber to avoid this.

Apparently at least some people with straight pull ARs have no problem.
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Yes, removing the case that has been fired and expanded against the chamber is where the problems can occur.

I have a straight pull SKS and about every 5th round takes an extra hard yank to eject.

Some factory pumps and straight pulls flute the chamber to avoid this.

Apparently at least some people with straight pull ARs have no problem.
So far I am one of those. I do understand it though it does make sense to me. I’ve shot a couple hundred through it in a sitting without one sticking. So far any way.
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Yes, removing the case that has been fired and expanded against the chamber is where the problems can occur.

I have a straight pull SKS and about every 5th round takes an extra hard yank to eject.

Some factory pumps and straight pulls flute the chamber to avoid this.

Apparently at least some people with straight pull ARs have no problem.
Add my wife and I to the list of people with no problems. We do have side charging handles with extended handles so I don't know if that extra leverage makes the difference

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thanks everyone for the input, I have a few new ideas and I think I'm going to get started on the forward mounted side charger.
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thanks everyone for the input, I have a few new ideas and I think I'm going to get started on the forward mounted side charger.
Please post a pic when you're done. I'm now considering converting 2 ARs to bolt action type.
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Easiest conversion ever...

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/mvp-series/
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Does the chamber need any modifications for a straight pull AR? i built a sp in 6.5 grendel with a side charging upper but i had to mortar the thing to get the cases out.

I asked a smith that i trust and he said the chamber might be a little tight and run a couple hundred rounds through it in a semi configuration to wear it in and then try again. I'm still in the process of putting the rounds down the pipe and have no idea if it will work at that point.

May be an issue if you buy a barrel without a port and the chamber sticks like mine.
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Does the chamber need any modifications for a straight pull AR?...
A big fat chamber will help some and a tight match chamber might make things worse.
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My 6.8 is a straight pull.

Got the barrel from Ben at Bison Armory without a gas port.

Used a Mega billet upper and a Young Mfg. side charging bolt carrier.

I’ve put almost 500 rounds through this gun and I’ve never experienced a hard extraction, all of it was high quality factory ammo but that doesn’t mean it can’t happen if your barrel has a tight chamber.

Rifle has all the evil features and I can drop my mags like they do in America.

It is fun to shoot, I’ve got less than two months in this crap hole state and I doubt I’ll ever add a gas tube once I’m across the state line.


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I saw this straight pull bolt action BCG on TFB today.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ion-ar-15-bcg/
I hope to check it out at Shot Show next week.

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I saw this straight pull bolt action BCG on TFB today.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ion-ar-15-bcg/
I hope to check it out at Shot Show next week.
That looks pretty sweet. I wish they would just make left side chargers more common. The right side turns you index finger knuckle into a case deflector if you pull it to fast. I’m going to mill my upper and move my handle to the left side here pretty soon. The AR Stoner BCG is drilled and tapped on both sides. Very good move on their part! The Lantac one looks like it might need their upper receiver too so I am curious as to what the price point will be. Bear Creek Arsenal and AR Stoner ones are priced pretty well.
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I’m going the same route since my AR is a bench shooter anyway, 24” bull barrel. I have a mega arms lower and brownells has a mega arms side charge upper on sale now for $89.99. Then I got a bear creek arsenal side charge bcg on sale for $69.99. So $160 for a side charge upper is not bad at all. I think the bear creek BCG will be fine for my purpose. I do like the young manufacturing side charge bcg but hard to find in stock and $$$.

Then I’ll probably take my standard upper and build something with a 16 or 18” barrel that I can swap on and off since I’ll also be installing a hogue freedom fighter mag lock that will be removeable for the bolt action upper.

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