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Old 11-13-2018, 8:15 AM
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The MagMagnet is just as uncertain now as 'mode change' in the Raddlock is. It may pass muster, or maybe not, and probably depends on where you are and how anti- the officers are feeling that day. The reason that a magnet was expected to violate the law previously by the community (DOJ never tried a case I'm aware of) is that the magnet becomes an attached tool, and therefore not a separate tool but a part of the rifle while using it. Since the BB required a tool to operate the attached tool was not meeting that guideline clearly. Currently, its alot less clear how that may violate the law.

If you're doing mag dumps dangerously with the rifle held sideways while you hop around and yell 'get some' it may not work out.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:28 AM
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I got a message saying from the pictures your barrel may be longer than 14.5 inches, which makes no sense because it is 14.5 inches. Not sure what corrections they want me to make. Anybody else get this message for their rifle?
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:32 AM
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I got a message saying from the pictures your barrel may be longer than 14.5 inches, which makes no sense because it is 14.5 inches. Not sure what corrections they want me to make. Anybody else get this message for their rifle?
A rifle with a sub 16 inch barrel is a “short barreled rifle” which would be illegal.

They probably want the stated barrel length to be measured including the length of your permanently attached muzzle device.

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Old 11-13-2018, 10:37 AM
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A rifle with a sub 16 inch barrel is a “short barreled rifle” which would be illegal.

They probably want the stated barrel length to be measured including the length of your permanently attached muzzle device.

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Yeah I mention that it is 16 inches with the permanently attached muzzle device. I guess I'll change it in the options then.
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Yeah I mention that it is 16 inches with the permanently attached muzzle device. I guess I'll change it in the options then.
Yes, change the barrel to 16".

DOJ is correct, your barrel is longer than 14.5". Permanently attaching something to the barrel makes it a longer barrel.
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Just got another registration letter in the mail - received it 11 days after getting the "submission confirmation" email.
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Old 11-16-2018, 2:16 PM
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Just got another registration letter in the mail - received it 11 days after getting the "submission confirmation" email.
Must be nice. I got all my emails 11/1 and haven't received anything yet. Going shooting tomorrow in El Dorado County so not to worried. I know it is supposedly legal to still use our BBAW while in the process of being registered but would prefer a letter in my rifle bag as well.
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Must be nice. I got all my emails 11/1 and haven't received anything yet. Going shooting tomorrow in El Dorado County so not to worried. I know it is supposedly legal to still use our BBAW while in the process of being registered but would prefer a letter in my rifle bag as well.
Print the FAQ from the website that states it is legal to take your BBAW to a range while the application is pending. Also, print the application status page that shows the In Progress status for the application(s) with the serial number(s) for the BBAW(s) you are taking to the range. That is as close as you are going to get absent a physical letter from DoJ that your BBAWs are registered.
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Old 11-17-2018, 11:40 AM
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Print the FAQ from the website that states it is legal to take your BBAW to a range while the application is pending. Also, print the application status page that shows the In Progress status for the application(s) with the serial number(s) for the BBAW(s) you are taking to the range. That is as close as you are going to get absent a physical letter from DoJ that your BBAWs are registered.
It’s funny, I posted that at work, came home and my letter was in the mailbox with all firearms on one form. Made 8 photocopies, laminated 4 for each pelican case, and went up this morning. But thanks for the information. Hopefully it helps someone else out!
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So the AR pistol that I sued the DOJ over, I had their stupid serial engraved on it and updated the application the second week of September, got an email a few days ago saying I needed to check the second hand grip box, did that and the following day got the email saying that it was done and the letter was inbound. Now to update the wife’s application for it
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So the AR pistol that I sued the DOJ over, I had their stupid serial engraved on it and updated the application the second week of September, got an email a few days ago saying I needed to check the second hand grip box, did that and the following day got the email saying that it was done and the letter was inbound. Now to update the wife’s application for it
So you won? Hot damn mark the day. Good on you sir.
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So the AR pistol that I sued the DOJ over, I had their stupid serial engraved on it and updated the application the second week of September, got an email a few days ago saying I needed to check the second hand grip box, did that and the following day got the email saying that it was done and the letter was inbound. Now to update the wife’s application for it
Refresh my memory - you sued the DOJ over an AW pistol registration? Seeing is the case is mooted now, would you mind sharing some details about how that played out? Did you actually win the lawsuit, or did DOJ just cave to avoid litigation, or did your registration go through for reasons unrelated to the lawsuit?
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I just started a poll by the way, to get a rough feel for how many people have received their letters vs. still waiting.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1490832
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Refresh my memory - you sued the DOJ over an AW pistol registration? Seeing is the case is mooted now, would you mind sharing some details about how that played out? Did you actually win the lawsuit, or did DOJ just cave to avoid litigation, or did your registration go through for reasons unrelated to the lawsuit?
I was a part of the Holt case, we were stayed pending another case and the time ran out. My part in the lawsuit was that I had an 80% built AR pistol that I had a personal serial engraved on it prior to the DOJ serial # system going live and had registered the weapon as such via VolREG, seeing as I was deployed right after the registration period opened and before the serial # system started, I was in a position where they had to accept my serial or I would find myself a felon.

Given that our lawsuit was dropped due to the timeline, I was advised by the lawyers to get a serial from the DOJ and get it engraved when I got home, and that the DOJ was still honor it even though it was after the registration period had ended, my application had already been started. So that is what I did and it apparently worked.

I made the DOJ serial as small as legally allowed and stuffed it up under the front take down retaining spring housing on the right side of the receiver, so it's as unobtrusive as possible. Not my ideal outcome, but better than some alternatives.
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Old 11-19-2018, 8:17 PM
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I need your guys help so I just got an email from the doj in regards to the rifles I tried to register. It told me to update the model number and also gave me this

A characteristic you marked on your application does not match the firearm characteristics in the photos you provided. Please refer to California Code of Regulation, title 11, section 5471(t) forward pistol grip for more information

How do I update my application?
-nvm figured out how to update it

*nvm I figured it all out. I submitted my app 6/30/18 and updated the application today
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Here is a new one for some polymer AR receivers I am trying to volreg. I sent them out of state in a locked box that only I have the key to, before registering because of the questions surrounding polymer receivers.

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The California Department of Justice has received your electronic application; however, it is being rejected for the following reason(s):
Your transaction is being rejected because you are currently not in possession of the firearm. Pursuant to Penal Code 27560 the firearm must be in the state of California and in your possession, before attempting to record ownership.
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Here is a new one for some polymer AR receivers I am trying to volreg. I sent them out of state before regisitering because of the questions surrounding polymer receivers.
How did CA-DoJ know that the receivers are located out-of-state? You may have to send a hostage proof-of-life pic where the lower receiver is photographed at some identifiable CA landmark (Golden Gate Bridge for example) to prove they are in state....
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Old 11-20-2018, 1:54 PM
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I put the info in my application so I did not have the threat of having a SWAT team visit me.

Everything in Penal Code 27560 refers to bringing firearms that you did not previously own into CA. These receivers are in secure locked storage that only I can access, so no transfer has taken place. I am still in possession of the receivers (as in they are still owned by me). The receivers were in CA "before attempting to record ownership".

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I put the info in my application so I did not have the threat of having a SWAT team visit me.

Everything in Penal Code 27560 refers to bringing firearms that you did not previously own into CA. These receivers are in secure locked storage that only I can access, so no transfer has taken place. I am still in possession of the receivers (as in they are still owned by me). The receivers were in CA "before attempting to record ownership".

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Agree. This scenario just muddies the waters. Why not just disassemble the receivers after the registration pictures if you are worried.

All the statement did was make them question the validity of the registration.
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Got the confirmation email a week ago. Still haven't got the letter. Reg. 6/30/18.
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Submitted in the end of May.
I received two different rounds of requested revisions in early October and completed them as asked (wanted a different product name for a VEPER and several more boxes checked that didn't really apply for my pistols).

Still in processing. Someday lol.

FYI, the last official "open registration" in 1999 took me 60 days to get a reply.
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Submitted a bunch of registration requests during the last week before the cutoff. All firearms were factory guns, and all but a couple were post-2013, meaning that they were already registered with the state as part of the DROS process.

Mid August, received the "you'll be notified by US mail" emails for all but one. That one, an "assaulty pistol", was kicked back for not checking second handgrip. I fixed and resubmitted the next day.

Received physical registration papers for all but the assaulty pistol around the beginning of Sept. ( I've been out of state for the last few weeks. )

All registration requests still show "in progress" in CFARS. No apparent movement on the pistol in the last month.
Received the "you'll be notified by US mail" email for my assaulty pistol, so it looks like I'm done. Everything I submitted ( during the last week of June ) has been processed and approved.

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How long do you get Assault weapon registration letter from DOJ?
I registered mine on 6/15/18, so far 6.5 months passed, I get nothing update.
My friends who registered later than I did, already got the letter.
The status on my CFAR account always shows "in progress".
Does Anybody have the similar situation?
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How long do you get Assault weapon registration letter from DOJ?
I registered mine on 6/15/18, so far 6.5 months passed, I get nothing update.
My friends who registered later than I did, already got the letter.
The status on my CFAR account always shows "in progress".
Does Anybody have the similar situation?
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read this thread and that will give you an idea.

also; why did you create a seperate thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1492510) and then ask the same question here ? this is bad forum etiquette.
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Here is a new one for some polymer AR receivers I am trying to volreg. I sent them out of state in a locked box that only I have the key to, before registering because of the questions surrounding polymer receivers.

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Your transaction is being rejected because you are currently not in possession of the firearm. Pursuant to Penal Code 27560 the firearm must be in the state of California and in your possession, before attempting to record ownership.
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And it gets more interesting... The ones rejected were polymer AR rifle receivers, but today I received registration letters for the two polymer pistol receivers that had the exact same out-of-state wording as the rifle receivers.

Evidently pistol receivers are processed by different people than rifle receivers and the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing...

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Anyone else seem to have there CFARS account poof? The site doesn’t recognize my user name, pw, email address, nothing.
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just got my registration letter today. submitted late june.
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Poof? No, this would be the first time I've ever heard of that. I've heard many stories of people having various issues logging in, mostly involving their password expiring. But I've never heard of anyone's account apparently disappearing.

I'd call DOJ BOF and see if they can help you out. (916) 227-7527
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And it gets more interesting... The ones rejected were polymer AR rifle receivers, but today I received registration letters for the two polymer pistol receivers that had the exact same out-of-state wording as the rifle receivers.

Evidently pistol receivers are processed by different people than rifle receivers and the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing...

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Possession should be counted when you physically registered in the state for AW, not after paperwork was submitted and they drag their a55 to complete it.
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Thanks. Did check and they were in CA on the register date. Will be raising an Issue.

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I've had this happen when I've tried to log in late at night.

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just got my first emails today, one "wait for US mail", the others wanted pictures again and to mark the additional feature (hand guard as a second grip)

I just sent close up pics of serials/markings as the additional pic.


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It almost seems some people in Kali are happy to receive the DOJ approval letter of their so called assault rifles, when IMO, it's all unconstitutional in the 1st place. What a f'ing state.
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It almost seems some people in Kali are happy to receive the DOJ approval letter of their so called assault rifles, when IMO, it's all unconstitutional in the 1st place. What a f'ing state.

Happy no, but any way you look at the law.... you had to comply in one form or another. I chose registration, others chose featureless, some probably chose non-compliance, some probably stripped it down to bare receiver while others sold what they had and plan on moving to re-buy later.....

What those of us that chose to register are happy about is getting to keep it in as minimally affected form, as close to stock as possible and be able to use them on the range.
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Happy no, but any way you look at the law.... you had to comply in one form or another. I chose registration, others chose featureless, some probably chose non-compliance, some probably stripped it down to bare receiver while others sold what they had and plan on moving to re-buy later.....

What those of us that chose to register are happy about is getting to keep it in as minimally affected form, as close to stock as possible and be able to use them on the range.
I understand and not mocking the gun owners at all, I'm one of them, not happy in regards to this this bbaw reg, but have to follow the current law, but am mocking the state of Commiefornia.
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