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Gun Free zones and off duty cops carrying?
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Are off duty police officers allowed to carry in CA mandates gun free zones? I heard there were 6 off duty officers at the Thousand Oaks shooting but none had their weapon. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...gun-free-zone/ Thanks |
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Designated sheepdog/driver - OK!
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Who has a designated driver anymore now that Uber is a thing? Bartenders can be armed (even without a CCW permit) if the owner of the bar is okay with it and as long as they don't drink on the job.
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The two have never hurt me. Handle your alcohol consumption responsibly and the defensive firearm in the waistband shouldn’t be a problem for most.
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2) He was "break dancing." 'nuff said. Next?
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I agree, it’s a decision that must be made by the individual. It also takes discipline to consume responsibly, many simply can’t or don’t want too. By all means they should leave the weapon at home. Myself I know that at the end of the night I will be driving home sober and my firearm will go with me.
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The point I'm trying to make is why put your self in a situation where you have been drinking and then find yourself having to use deadly force, and you accidentally shoot someone innocent during the course of that use if force. Do you think your alcohol use may come into question? You may be able to handle your liquor just fine Im just giving some food for thought..
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The answer would be, yes, LEOs can carry in gun free zones. You still dodged everyone else’s queries in the other thread, BTW. Just a reminder. |
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For a non LE CCW holders, most issuing agencies say you can’t carry in a business were the primary purpose is to serve alcohol. And some LE agencies have in their policies that you can’t carry in these establishments as well. But that’s different from a GFZ. A business can post a sign. But GFZ have to come through the legislature. Like a scoop zone. Just because a business post a GFZ sign, that does not take away the exemption for sworn LE to carry there. Not carrying would be a courtesy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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626.9 looks like it refers to school zones not drinking establishments
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I don’t know the details about the shooting. I was under the impression that it occurred at a college bar or what not. If it’s just a bar, a LEO can carry there. Many departments strongly advise against it. I don’t drink much at all and I definitely don’t carry and drink. That’s just me. |
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So I think this quote from the linked article is what is causing a lot of confusion.
"Crime Prevention Research Center’s (CPRC) John R. Lott reported that the Borderline Bar & Grill was a gun-free zone by law. CPRC posted a California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms form explaining that the state of California prohibits the carrying of firearms “in a place having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption.”" Now we all know the media's habit of making things up to suit their purpose, is this one of those times? I looked and have not been able to find any such law on the books in Ca, not that I've been in a bar recently so it wouldn't effect me. I think some are mistaking the decision not to carry by the off duty cops who were at the bar for the show, as law since the media has said so. Probably more like a what was a good decision at the time, knowing that they would be drinking. Anyone who second guesses that decision after the fact is a moron. I know department policy can restrict carrying and alcohol consumption, and many IA's place restriction's on carrying where alcoholic beverage service is a primary business, but neither of those things make it a GFZ. Last edited by P5Ret; 11-11-2018 at 9:48 AM.. Reason: typo |
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I don't know of any such law either. Maybe the author was confusing the colleges being a gun free zone and the fact that it was college night.
I've never had an issue going to a bar and having a few drinks while armed. It's up to the individual to know their limits and policies and be responsible enough not to create issues. |
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Your an IDIOT if you think you can justify your drinking... Time to disarm you of your CCW...!
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(5) When the person holds a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 of Title 4 of Part 6, who is carrying that firearm in an area that is not in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive, but within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of the public or private school. Looks to me like the above only applies to someone holding an LTC issued under 26150 CPC. This would grant an exemption to a peace officer listed under any of the subsections of 830 CPC. (l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (d) of Section 7582.1 of the Business and Professions Code. Not that it matter's because bar's are not GFZ by any law that I can find in Ca. |
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Please take a moment and engage your brain before you begin typing. Lots of us don't have to get hammered to have a good time, and can enjoy a beer over the course of a few hours and be capable of responding to situations while others in the party enjoy themselves more freely.
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Violating your Employer's or IA's policies is not a good idea. Perhaps this shooting will get Agencies to take a second look at that policy.
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It appear's that you didn't read the whole section as you're telling me to do, based on the question. Also seems like you're answering question's for people and really don't know the answer's, but you do make a good WAG at it. Pretty good at playing victim too when you're called out on your missteps. So despite your letter from the Sheriff of San Francisco County granting you full peace officer power's, you never bothered to learn that the penal code does not make a distinction between on-duty and off-duty, for 830.1 & 830.2 classification. |
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A Gun Free Zone is a school/school grounds; not a bar. A LEO can carry in a gun free zone as has been clearly stated. A LEO may carry into a bar, however, it may be against their own, individual department policy. Last edited by esy; 11-12-2018 at 10:07 PM.. |
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Please stop trying to decipher CA law and stating that you enforced it because clearly you didn’t if you don’t even understand it. Again, a bar is NOT a gun free zone. Stop referring to it as such. OP clearly did not know a bar is NOT a gun free zone. Stop bringing up schools as you were the first and original person to do such. |
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I sure hope you can explain that, because it certainly makes no sense to me to restrict active off duty LEO's but allow retired LEO's to carry on the school grounds. Oh and just to clarify it's Kool-aid, not cool-aid. Last edited by P5Ret; 11-13-2018 at 8:17 PM.. |
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I can handle my business just fine. To each, their own.
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Has nothing to do with 626.9 (L) which is existing Ca law. HR 2513 is a proposed amendment to LEOSA, and the federal GFSZ law. As has already been quoted several times there is already exemption's built into CA's GFSZ act.
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(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (d) of Section 7582.1 of the Business and Professions Code. |
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Whatevs09...You still didn't answer this question. Feel free to give us more of your expertise.
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Let's see once again you have demonstrated complete lack of understanding of the law. If you had bothered to read 25650 PC you'd have noticed that it applies to retired federal law enforcement. Retired LEO's do not have a CCW, most are issued an ID by their agency, authorizing carry of concealed weapons under 25905(a) PC. Maybe it's just time to stop thinking you have the answer's, because honestly you don't. Your inability to read and properly interpret the laws as written, both in this thread and the one concerning LEOSA, tend to lead to one conclusion, I'll let you figure that one out on your own. |
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You really have poor reading comprehension. That is certainly clear. “This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer...”
It does not get more clear than that. The section you quoted applies to out of state and federal officers. Are you really this obtuse? |
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