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Old 10-18-2018, 1:36 PM
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Default Conflicting claims I've read. Do you need 2 forms of ID?

If your DL address matches your actual residence and all addresses given on forms and whatnot, you still need a secondary form of ID such as utility or car reg correct?
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I've heard that you dont need it if the address is your home residence and matches all given address information. Couldnt find edit button for original post.
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Only my PO Box appears on my DL; I had to prove residence address. Used
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The address on a drivers license is all you need for a long gun. That will not work for proof of address for a hand gun. You will need some other government issued proof of residency for a hand gun.
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Only my PO Box appears on my DL; I had to prove residence address.
All my bills and vehicle registration use my PO Box. I used a copy of my voter registration which shows my residence address. I obtained it at my county's registrar for $2. If you go this route, be sure the clerk stamps it with the county seal.
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Hmm. Does a Ca. issued hunting license work?
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If your DL address matches your actual residence and all addresses given on forms and whatnot, you still need a secondary form of ID such as utility or car reg correct?

Your DL does not meet CA proof of residency for pistol purchases. It only serves as a government issued proof of residency for ATF. You will need another form of residency verification to meet CA requirements.

Refer to DOJ's website for additional information.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs#14G

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What documentation is acceptable proof of residency for handgun purchasers?

A.Utility bill from within the past three months that bears on its face the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
2.The individual's residential address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

"Utility bill" means a statement of charges for providing service to the individual's residence by either a physical connection (i.e., hard wired Internet, telephone connection or cable connection, or a water or gas pipeline connection) or a telemetric connection (i.e., satellite television or radio broadcast service) to a non-mobile, fixed antenna reception device.

B.Residential lease that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto. "Residential lease" means either of the following:
a.A signed and dated contract by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration for the right to occupy an abode for a specified period of time; or
b.A signed and dated rental agreement by which the individual (tenant) agrees to pay a specified monetary sum or provide other consideration at fixed intervals for the right to occupy an abode.

C.Property deed that bears the individual's name and either of the following:
1.The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
2.The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto. "Property deed" means either or the following:
a.A valid deed of trust for the individual's property of current residence that identifies the individual as a grantee of the trust; or
b.A valid Certificate of Title issued by a licensed title insurance company that identifies the individual as a title holder to his or her property of current residence.
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The address on a drivers license is all you need for a long gun. That will not work for proof of address for a hand gun. You will need some other government issued proof of residency for a hand gun.
Correct on two forms of proof of address for handguns, just remember that it's not "some other proof," there is actually a specific list of what is acceptable.
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And, more precisely, for handguns you need
Proof of Identity - driver license, ID card, military ID
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Proof of residence - the docs listed by code blue, above.
But it isn't "two forms of ID" - that seemingly innocuous common usage is why this question keeps coming up.

PC 26815, in relevant part:
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No firearm shall be delivered:

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(c) Unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents clear evidence of the person’s identity and age to the dealer.
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(a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that the person is a California resident.

(b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.

(c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.
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My last rimfire rifle I purchased I was required to provide 2 forms of ID. Must've been an internal store reg.
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They asked me for DL and title to my car. I also brought a printout of my internet bill and lease.
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All my bills and vehicle registration use my PO Box. I used a copy of my voter registration which shows my residence address. I obtained it at my county's registrar for $2. If you go this route, be sure the clerk stamps it with the county seal.
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I had a FFL in Castro Valley refuse Voter ballot as proof previously. From what I recall, it was cited that only things like Utility Bill (PG&E/Water/Disposal), Landline phone # bill, DMV registration, Cable bill, Renters Lease agreement count. Obviously it depends on the person you're dealing it as well.
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I had a FFL in Castro Valley refuse Voter ballot as proof previously. From what I recall, it was cited that only things like Utility Bill (PG&E/Water/Disposal), Landline phone # bill, DMV registration, Cable bill, Renters Lease agreement count. Obviously it depends on the person you're dealing it as well.
Depends if you're trying to meet state or federal requirements (and depends what your FFL will accept). Voter Ballot will work to meet federal requirements, but not state since it doesn't have an expiration date on it.
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The only thing I've learned from living in CA and buying guns is that EVERYONE does it differently. NO TWO LGSs (or FFLs, for that matter, when I have done a transfer) have ever asked me for the same thing, or required the same documents.
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CCW covers all bases.
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I had a FFL in Castro Valley refuse Voter ballot as proof previously. From what I recall, it was cited that only things like Utility Bill (PG&E/Water/Disposal), Landline phone # bill, DMV registration, Cable bill, Renters Lease agreement count. Obviously it depends on the person you're dealing it as well.
I had an FFL in Castro Valley ask for a utility bill. I used my phone to log into the PG&E website and sent the screen with my account info to their printer. It was accepted.
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Hunting license does not work for handguns. Only long guns
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^^This.

Was nice the last two pistols I bought, just a DL and CCW and was done. Nothing extra I don't normally have on me

But I know its not an option for a lot of folks.
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CCW covers all bases.
Does an out of state CCW work? I have Arizona
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All my bills and vehicle registration use my PO Box. I used a copy of my voter registration which shows my residence address. I obtained it at my county's registrar for $2. If you go this route, be sure the clerk stamps it with the county seal.
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That's a great option!!! My vehicle is under my business name and my wife pays all the home bills. So two proofs of residence isn't always available. I love my wife, but she doesn't quite understand my efforts to protect home and hearth. YES. I need the latest and greatest defense system!!! There's demi-crats out there!!! And they're mean and awful. And they do unspeakable things.



Fortunately a deed to the home also works as a second proof of residence.
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D. Current, government-issued license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
1. The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
2. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License, California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.

Examples of acceptable proof of residency:
  • Current DMV registrations.
  • Electricity, gas, cable bill with purchaser's name on it from within the last 3 months.
  • Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.
Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:
  • Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
  • Cellular phone bill.
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CCW covers all bases.
Yep, it needed to for me. My wife has lived in her house on the farm since 1984. When I moved in in 2000, all of the utilities were in her name so I couldn't use any of it.

So I just had to get a CCW just so I could start buying handguns

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Hunting license does not work for handguns. Only long guns
Copy that. Thanks.
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My last rimfire rifle I purchased I was required to provide 2 forms of ID. Must've been an internal store reg.
Does your CA DL/ID have your current residential address on it?

And like others have said, proof of ID and proof of residency are different.
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So I just had to get a CCW just so I could start buying handguns
Boy, I wish it were that simple for me.
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Out of state ccw only good for toilet paper in Ca. Maybe scrape ice off windshield if plastic. )LOL)
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^^This.

Was nice the last two pistols I bought, just a DL and CCW and was done. Nothing extra I don't normally have on me

But I know its not an option for a lot of folks.

I thought so too, I’ve always used DL and ccw without any issue. Did a ppt at a shop and they wanted another form of verification. So I printed my utility bill for them, which was weird. Then when picked up, I had to do a safety demo for them also. I thought ccw was exempt from safety demo? I guess like they say everyone got there own policy.
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Does an out of state CCW work? I have Arizona


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Purchased long gun at Turners a few weeks ago. CA DL only.

IDK if "RealID" DL is needed in 1/1/20 to purchase guns or ammo 1/1/19
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Only my PO Box appears on my DL; I had to prove residence address. Used
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My friend's utility bills were all under her husbands name, and she had to call PG&E to add her name to the bill, which required something weird like, them both being on the phone at the same time, and then it took a month or more for them to implement it, then wait for the next bill with her name.

I think there is a similar problem with people who's bills are under someone else's name (parents, roommate you are subleasing from, etc, etc)...
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Does your CA DL/ID have your current residential address on it?

And like others have said, proof of ID and proof of residency are different.
Yes
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Since the voter registration does not have an expiration date on it (or listed period of validity), it should not work.

Gov't issued documents that will work:
County sheriff issued CCW
BSIS guard card, or PI license, or PPO license, or Alarm Co operator/employee card
BSIS FQ Firearms Qualification Card (which also qualifies for the FSC)
Real Estate License (broker or salesperson)
Insurance License
Stock Broker's license
Medical Dr. License
Daycare operator license
Business license (but it probably wont match your home address)

But the easiest is the DMV registration which you can get from AAA (assuming you own a car)?

Can you imagine how much people would complain if we required any of this stuff to vote?
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I thought so too, I’ve always used DL and ccw without any issue. Did a ppt at a shop and they wanted another form of verification. So I printed my utility bill for them, which was weird. Then when picked up, I had to do a safety demo for them also. I thought ccw was exempt from safety demo? I guess like they say everyone got there own policy.
I've used my ccw and CDL with no problem until recently.

I had a store tell me I needed a second id because my CDL has "federal limits apply" on it. I told them the CCW was fine but two days after I take the handgun home I get a call saying they need another id. I'm pretty sure they thought they needed something just in case the ca doj balks at the CDL with federal limits.

They regularly have good deals so I didn't want them to blacklist me if I didn't provide something, so I sent them a pic of my passport.

The whole thing was pretty lame.
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Through an odd set of circumstances, one time I had to resort to using our property tax statement ... "no prob" said the FFL
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