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Old 04-29-2010, 4:26 PM
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Default hamilton officer cleared in fatal shooting

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I posted this yesterday in the general forum.
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I posted this yesterday in the general forum.
oh well, i missed it.
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No such thing as a routine traffic stop...
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Was this Hamilton in Canada or somewhere else?
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Any more details on this? Where was it and when? ...off to go do some research...
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First news article that popped up...

http://missoulian.com/news/local/art...cc4c002e0.html
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you just never know. its worse when they start out nice on the intitial contact. i am glad it worked out for the officer. did the susp hit the pole for being 23152 or was he hit by the gunfire?
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One round out of 14 or 15 fired hit the suspect in the back, and that wound was fatal.

The officer is, at least according to the more detailed press story, pretty lucky I think. The suspect dropped the hammer on either a dud or an empty chamber with his first pull. Suspect's weapon... S&W .41 Magnum. You can hear the hammer fall on the audio.

That is downright spooky.
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That is downright spooky.
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One of the news articles mentioned that the BG's first hammer strike was on an expended cartridge. Won't go into tactics/officer safety in an unsecured forum - suffice it to say that there are a few training points in that video and that officer was EXTREMELY (as in buy a lotto ticket now) LUCKY! Glad he was ok and he ended that POS!
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I WONDER IF THE FATAL SHOT WAS THE ONE HE TOOK A SECOND TO FIRE AT THE END. HE WENT THROUGH ALMOST ALL HIS ROUNDS, THEN HE WAITED A SECOND(POSSIBLY TO AIM) THEN PULLED THE TRIGGER. I BELIEVE I SAW THIS IN THE VIDEO. HE HAD ONE CONTROLLED SHOT AT THE END. POSSIBLY THE GOOD ONE.
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Not to monday morning quarterback...but did he fail to reload after firing those rounds? If its a G22 (which I think one of the news articles said), he should have one in the chamber and an empty mag, it's time to reload before worrying about picking up that flashlight...
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Absolutely no inflection in my voice and please do not read any into it. I am simply basing my comment on experience.

It is easy to sit in a sterile environment behind the keyboard and Monday morning quarterback or second guess the actions of an officer just involved in an armed encounter. Just the gun shot going of adjacent to his head will cause some disorientation. Add that to the adrenaline dump he just received and you can see how logical thinking can be disrupted. Not taking sides but that is just the reality of a situation such as this one.

Without having first hand experience in a situation such as this one above or without knowing the training of that officer or of the training department gives its officers, IMHO, it is difficult to judge his actions. It was what it was and by some miracle or just plain ole luck, this officer is alive today and the suspect will (appropriately) be laid to rest for his foolish actions.

An old timer told me as a rookie deputy, "Sometimes it is just better to be lucky than good".
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Wow! God was smiling on this man that day.
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yzernie...yea, I completely agree with you. I sure as hell haven't been in anything like that and hope to never find myself there. If I ever am, I hope my training and luck are enough to get me through it safely.
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yzernie...yea, I completely agree with you. I sure as hell haven't been in anything like that and hope to never find myself there. If I ever am, I hope my training and luck are enough to get me through it safely.
LOL, while luck does play a roll, the training we receive is what we will revert back to in a stressful situation. Even these days I still use the training I received back in the early days of my career. Despite all of our training that is so much better than the majority of the country, watching videos like this one above add to our training and knowledge base.

To this very day, and for the last 32+ years, I continue to carry my Saint Michael medallion in my pocket while at work. You just never know when devine intervention may come into play!!
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