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Old 04-07-2019, 11:50 AM
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That was pretty funny!

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Old 04-07-2019, 2:04 PM
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Anyone want to wager how many months it will take for a ruling on SCMs?
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I have not seen this posted yet, so excuse me if it has already been discussed.

Does anyone else get a vague sense of unease when Benitez made reference to veterans and CCW holders being especially capable of bearing the responsibility of ‘stendo ownership?

On the other hand, if stendos are restricted to CCW holders only, and over half the state lives in ‘no CCW for commoners’ counties, perhaps that works in our favor. CCW for all!
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Were private party sales/purchases of magazines addressed in any way?
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I have not seen this posted yet, so excuse me if it has already been discussed.

Does anyone else get a vague sense of unease when Benitez made reference to veterans and CCW holders being especially capable of bearing the responsibility of ‘stendo ownership?

On the other hand, if stendos are restricted to CCW holders only, and over half the state lives in ‘no CCW for commoners’ counties, perhaps that works in our favor. CCW for all!
I agree: I get uncomfortable with such exceptions...it's like when Congress exempted themselves from Obamacare...laws are for thee and not for me.
But it's minor to me, in the scheme of things.
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Were private party sales/purchases of magazines addressed in any way?
Not specifically as far as I could tell. But it seems to me if you wanted to buy your neighbors 20+ year old mags, then you were legally within your right up until 5PM last Friday.
Or if you made the "purchase" before that time but they need to pick them up from their brother's house in Reno next weekend, it should still be okay.
That's my understanding, IANAL, etc.
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Were private party sales/purchases of magazines addressed in any way?
The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of Penal Code Section 32310 (a) has been stayed pending final resolution of the appeal from the Judgment.

Penal Code Section 32310 (a) states:

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(a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.
Therefore, private party sales/purchases of "large-capacity magazines" are currently prohibited.
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The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of Penal Code Section 32310 (a) has been stayed pending final resolution of the appeal from the Judgment.

Penal Code Section 32310 (a) states:



Therefore, private party sales/purchases of "large-capacity magazines" are currently prohibited.
He was talking about last week, between March 29th ruling and 5PM PDT Friday April 5th. But yeah, obviously, no transactions since then are lawful.
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Finally did the due diligence and read Benitez's excoriating rebuke of Becerra and the State's tyrannical laws. It was epic, it was beautiful, it was succinct, had me cheering, and was easy enough to read by the layman to destroy any claims against standard capacity mags and ANY infringements on the 2nd Amendment.
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He was talking about last week, between March 29th ruling and 5PM PDT Friday April 5th. But yeah, obviously, no transactions since then are lawful.
The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of Penal Code Section 32310 (a) was in effect from the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019, and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, for anyone who sold or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds.

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IT IS HEREBY FURTHER ORDERED that the permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of California Penal Code § 32310 (a) and (b) shall remain in effect for those persons and business entities who have manufactured, imported, sold, or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds between the entry of this Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m., Friday, April 5, 2019.
Therefore, private party sales/purchases of "large-capacity magazines" that occurred between the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, were, and remain, legal.
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Old 04-07-2019, 4:04 PM
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The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of Penal Code Section 32310 (a) was in effect from the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019, and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, for anyone who sold or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds.

The judge's order staying the judgment in part stated:


Therefore, private party sales/purchases of "large-capacity magazines" that occurred between the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, were, and remain, legal.
Okay, I kind of said the same thing but maybe I wasn't clear. Furthermore if the purchase was agreed to before the deadline, it should still be okay for the neighbor to deliver the goods next week after picking them up from his friend's house in Reno.
This is kind of like what Brownells is doing...committing to ship anything that was ordered before the deadline.
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Finally did the due diligence and read Benitez's excoriating rebuke of Becerra and the State's tyrannical laws. It was epic, it was beautiful, it was succinct, had me cheering, and was easy enough to read by the layman to destroy any claims against standard capacity mags and ANY infringements on the 2nd Amendment.
It is a masterpiece!
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:27 PM
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The permanent injunction enjoining enforcement of Penal Code Section 32310 (a) was in effect from the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019, and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, for anyone who sold or bought magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds.

The judge's order staying the judgment in part stated:



Therefore, private party sales/purchases of "large-capacity magazines" that occurred between the entry of the Court’s injunction on March 29, 2019 and 5:00 p.m. on April 5, 2019, were, and remain, legal.
Thank you all for the clarification. It seems it would be impossible for the state to prove when any magazines were purchased. If some have manufacturing dates during the period of the ban that were bought during the week-long window, are in effect untraceable.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:31 PM
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The only magazines that can be proven to have been acquired illegally are ones marked after the window closed. Used/old mags with really old stamps were all possible to be sold during the window.


Does anyone know how much brick and mortar gun stores were charging for LCMs during the window? Was it fair market price or marked up? I know my local stores had huge demand and with demand comes the potential for mark ups.
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The only magazines that can be proven to have been acquired illegally are ones marked after the window closed. Used/old mags with really old stamps were all possible to be sold during the window.


Does anyone know how much brick and mortar gun stores were charging for LCMs during the window? Was it fair market price or marked up? I know my local stores had huge demand and with demand comes the potential for mark ups.
Even then it can't be proven. Maybe my marked mag body cracked or something and I replaced it with a newer one.

The only way it can be proven, really, is if the magazine type did not exist on the market by April 5, 2019.
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Old 04-08-2019, 7:53 PM
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Even then it can't be proven. Maybe my marked mag body cracked or something and I replaced it with a newer one.

The only way it can be proven, really, is if the magazine type did not exist on the market by April 5, 2019.
Well in that case you could say you rebuilt the entire mag with new 'type' parts.
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Posted an updated from CRPA. Check it out.
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Well in that case you could say you rebuilt the entire mag with new 'type' parts.
Yes that could have happened over time....
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Brian Suits did another 20 minutes again on the Dark Secret Place on KFI. He have the best update I have heard from the media and even got in on the buying action himself. He must be a Calgunner, I am not sure where else he would have got his info from other than here.
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Old 04-09-2019, 9:39 AM
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Well in that case you could say you rebuilt the entire mag with new 'type' parts.
Just like how people were saying their "pre-ban" PMAGs were rebuilds of old pre-2000 mags.
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Even then it can't be proven. Maybe my marked mag body cracked or something and I replaced it with a newer one.

The only way it can be proven, really, is if the magazine type did not exist on the market by April 5, 2019.
Can you buy just the body? No guts
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Can you buy just the body? No guts
Sure, people part out mags all the time in free states. Break a floorplate, snap a spring, wear out a follower and you've got a pile of parts to sell or trade.
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Ok so you can't take LCMs out of the state and back in but just as a mental experiment what if you disassembled your LCM and left say the floor plate in CA while sourcing new floor plates out of state. Then bring back your disassembled your LCM while leaving the new floor plates out of state? Now obviously this is a dumb idea practically.
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Ok so you can't take LCMs out of the state and back in but just as a mental experiment what if you disassembled your LCM and left say the floor plate in CA while sourcing new floor plates out of state. Then bring back your disassembled your LCM while leaving the new floor plates out of state? Now obviously this is a dumb idea practically.
Then you're technically assembling a "large" capacity magazine while the stay is in effect, and in doing so breaking the law.
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Then you're technically assembling a "large" capacity magazine while the stay is in effect, and in doing so breaking the law.
But you already legally own all the parts. Otherwise by that logic it would also be illegal for LCM owners to re-assemble their LCMs without even leaving the state.
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Then you're technically assembling a "large" capacity magazine while the stay is in effect, and in doing so breaking the law.
No you're not. Enough FUD from you.
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But you already legally own all the parts. Otherwise by that logic it would also be illegal for LCM owners to re-assemble their LCMs without even leaving the state.
I owned all the parts for magazines (parts kits) but I couldn't assemble them legally. If you legally possessed an assembled mag and you took it apart, would it be legal to assemble (manufacture) it?

I bet a libtard would try to give you a felony for doing that because libtards are garbage.
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Mags have to be disassembled for cleaning. I don't know how anyone could claim that reassembly is the same thing as assembling a new mag from a parts that had never been put together before.

We can't be responsible gun owners without taking care of our property in a safe and legal manner. If cleaning legally owned mags make me a felon, so be it.
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I bet a libtard would try to give you a felony for doing that because libtards are garbage.
It’s not liberals. It’s FUDs.
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It doesn't. Don't listen to the FUD Merchants.
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I think you mean Fudds. You're spreading FUD about Fudds.
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Mags have to be disassembled for cleaning. I don't know how anyone could claim that reassembly is the same thing as assembling a new mag from a parts that had never been put together before.

We can't be responsible gun owners without taking care of our property in a safe and legal manner. If cleaning legally owned mags make me a felon, so be it.
You can clean it, you just can't put it together again...

Just kidding. I said I bet libtards would try to prosecute someone for reassembling their mag.
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A few Fudds are Purveyors of FUD, yes, but generally, FUD can come from anywhere and everywhere in the shooting community.

I must admit to being fully semifudd myself.
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I bet a libtard would try to give you a felony for doing that because libtards are garbage.

The top attorney in this state is even named as such.



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The only magazines that can be proven to have been acquired illegally are ones marked after the window closed. Used/old mags with really old stamps were all possible to be sold during the window.


Does anyone know how much brick and mortar gun stores were charging for LCMs during the window? Was it fair market price or marked up? I know my local stores had huge demand and with demand comes the potential for mark ups.
I only went to one shop (Ammo bros Riverside), and while they didn't have a great collection (just 3 or 4 cardboard boxes), the prices were about what I was seeing online.

They only had 10/22 magazines and glock mags.
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Brian Suits did another 20 minutes again on the Dark Secret Place on KFI. He have the best update I have heard from the media and even got in on the buying action himself. He must be a Calgunner, I am not sure where else he would have got his info from other than here.
He's talked about shooting and California gun laws before.

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I wonder if local stores sold their 'withheld' LCMs from previous out of state transfers. Would that have been legal? I'm not sure if there's any protocol CA FFLs have to follow when an out of state transfer comes with an LCM. I know they can't give it to the customer but are they free to keep it indefinitely?
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Then you're technically assembling a "large" capacity magazine while the stay is in effect, and in doing so breaking the law.
If you participated in one way or another you are exempt from the stay including further sales read the stay again notice the language used exempts anyone who participated by manufacturing making buying selling all of those people are now exempt from the stay. Anyone participated by purchasing magazines manufacturing magazines selling magazines making magazines finding magazines is now Exempted from the stay going forward until there is a new order. Just because most out-of-state and in-state Ffls are no longer selling you magazines does not necessarily mean that that waspart of the order. That is just someones interpretation of what was meant by the order the language of the order does not continue to Bar sales manufacturer ownership importation or any other caveat of the law. The stay continues to be in effect for anyone who participated during Freedom week until otherwise ordered to do so!

Last edited by Mr.patriot1776; 04-12-2019 at 4:21 AM..
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