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If a law can be misapplied for a political agenda, California is the place that will surely try it. Fight any such citation and shove it back up their keesters.
LOL. You do know that the study results were withheld until after the Bill was signed and it indicated that the lead levels in Condors were due to some other source than lead bullets.
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"No longer allowed FOR hunting on any Wildlife Area OR Ecological Preserve"

Converting it to math:
"No longer allowed FOR hunting on any (Wildlife Area OR Ecological Preserve)"

Requirement #1 to apply, for hunting.
Requirement #2 to apply, Wildlife Area or Ecological Preserve

If you are not hunting, the ban does not apply.
If you are not in a Wildlife Area or Ecological Preserve, the ban does not apply.

Lead is not banned for target shooting.
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Until coyotes and vultures start dying from that. Then poison will be more regulated and only state licensed poisoners will be allowed to kill the ground squirrels on your ranch.
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Click on the link below, scroll down to FAQ's and select What about target shooting or firearms for personal protection? Read the 2nd sentence very carefully. It appears that if the land is CDFW controlled or controlled by another Government Entity, then they can rule no lead ammo. I can't find this in any other Regulation.
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/...nal-protection

The regulations do not require use of nonlead ammunition when target shooting. Use of lead projectiles for target shooting is legal unless CDFW or another government entity has determined otherwise for lands they administer. The regulations do not prohibit the possession of concealable firearms containing lead ammunition, provided the firearm is possessed for personal protection and is not used to take or assist in the take of wildlife. With the exception of ammunition for concealable firearms possessed for personal protection, hunters may not possess lead ammunition along with a firearm capable of firing that ammunition in locations where nonlead ammunition is required.

this is a response directly from cdfw

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fish and game has been showing up at spenceville range, and has been issuing citations to people shooting lead ammo.
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I posted this as a heads up. my boss, lives by the range. when I shoot, I am always there an hour before sunrise so I get my favorite bench, so no, I am not posting to scare people away. i, did not get cited. make of it what you will, call total bull**** if you want.......but as previously posted, i am not a liar.
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edgerly, yes my boss witnessed it.
So is your boss still claiming that people have been getting cited for shooting lead ammo at the Spenceville range?
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We got the info we needed lead ok for target shooting/ plinking. OP's boss misunderstood details of citation. Lets move on.
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LOL. You do know that the study results were withheld until after the Bill was signed and it indicated that the lead levels in Condors were due to some other source than lead bullets.
Yes that is correct. One of the source of contamination would be the MTB that was put into gasoline in the 90's which protected the environment but actually contaminated ground water and everything it came in contact with.

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Click on the link below, scroll down to FAQ's and select What about target shooting or firearms for personal protection? Read the 2nd sentence very carefully. It appears that if the land is CDFW controlled or controlled by another Government Entity, then they can rule no lead ammo. I can't find this in any other Regulation.
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/...nal-protection

The regulations do not require use of nonlead ammunition when target shooting. Use of lead projectiles for target shooting is legal unless CDFW or another government entity has determined otherwise for lands they administer. The regulations do not prohibit the possession of concealable firearms containing lead ammunition, provided the firearm is possessed for personal protection and is not used to take or assist in the take of wildlife. With the exception of ammunition for concealable firearms possessed for personal protection, hunters may not possess lead ammunition along with a firearm capable of firing that ammunition in locations where nonlead ammunition is required.

this is a response directly from cdfw
Yes, I posted that back in post #62.
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Just for kicks, next time I go to spenceville, I'll bring a BP revolver. Get some extra solid lead into the berms out there
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Jesus... OP is still either lying, or just completely slow in the head enough to actually believe what he's saying.

What code sections was your boss cited for? What code sections did your boss see people get cited for?

I know what they were, I was told by the person who wrote them.

You are lying.

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there is more to the story.......let's see what response I will get back to post.
Oh hey, looky here! Like we've been saying all along. I can't wait to hear the rest of your lies or ignorance... (In this case, "hey, so I was wrong, no one was cited for target shooting with lead ammo, it was for shooting targets that are not allowed" would be ignorance, and your best course of action.)

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mike, you are an idiot.....did you not read the post ?? I said.....it refers to hunting.....BUT, it also includes "eco" areas, and I am trying to find out if there is anything in the list of codes posted. the **** that is in small print, is what we need to be concerned about.
People who live in glass houses, should walk around looking in to mirrors...or something...

Just give up dude. You're wrong and have all of your information wrong, OR you're lying, in an attempt to be sensational and get sympathy for people who were shooting refridgerators and glass bottles and leaving trash behind.


Tell us the code sections that were cited, and all will be laid to rest. That's the only possible way for you to end your tirade of looking like a fool. You're wrong, and whether it's through mistake or intent I don't know.
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What if I am hunting paper targets? =)
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Please see if you can get a picture of the citation and post it.

thx
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Well, it must be true 'cause, I read on the internet that some guy heard from his boss who supposedly saw a ticket issued for doing something perfectly legal to do. I'm going to pass this on to my pool guy's sister's hairdresser right now.

Maybe the OP should call DF&W himself and ask if it's legal instead of listening to someone who thought he saw something on a ticket.
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I contacted df&w, the previous post was their response.
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I contacted df&w, the previous post was their response.
You mean this one?

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Click on the link below, scroll down to FAQ's and select What about target shooting or firearms for personal protection? Read the 2nd sentence very carefully. It appears that if the land is CDFW controlled or controlled by another Government Entity, then they can rule no lead ammo. I can't find this in any other Regulation.
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/...nal-protection

The regulations do not require use of nonlead ammunition when target shooting. Use of lead projectiles for target shooting is legal unless CDFW or another government entity has determined otherwise for lands they administer. The regulations do not prohibit the possession of concealable firearms containing lead ammunition, provided the firearm is possessed for personal protection and is not used to take or assist in the take of wildlife. With the exception of ammunition for concealable firearms possessed for personal protection, hunters may not possess lead ammunition along with a firearm capable of firing that ammunition in locations where nonlead ammunition is required.

this is a response directly from cdfw
Because what you put in that post, is not what you said in the rest of your posts. Which, again, means you're accidentally wrong or purposefully lying.

What is the "there is more to the story" that you hinted at, but refuse to tell us? What were the ACTUAL CODE SECTIONS that the citations were issued for?
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Being Spenceville, the cites could have been for drinking Bud during Miller time.
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I am a Fish and Wildlife Commissioner for Nevada County. I'd be happy to contact our CA wardens tomorrow for clarification of the lead/no lead for the Spenceville WA. This would, I hope, provide better clarification.
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maybe this will be over

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I am not sure if they did but if you could help end this it would be nice to bury this thread.
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I am a Fish and Wildlife Commissioner for Nevada County. I'd be happy to contact our CA wardens tomorrow for clarification of the lead/no lead for the Spenceville WA. This would, I hope, provide better clarification.
Already done in post 63....
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nine mil thrill, any update no what the citations were ACTUALLY issued for?
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nine mil...still lying and/or ignorant about the truth, or did you figure out what ACTUALLY happened?

People need to know, so they can keep themselves out of trouble.

Thanks buddy!
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nine mil...still lying and/or ignorant about the truth, or did you figure out what ACTUALLY happened?

People need to know, so they can keep themselves out of trouble.

Thanks buddy!
I think you scared him off with your darned facts!
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OP still has no proof, and no one has come forward with one of these citations, right?

10-98
Yep, another B.S post talking about nothing. Show the Ticket or keep quiet.
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No lead ammo, no steel core ammo whats next NO ammo.
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Are you sure it was for lead ammo and not "magnetic" ammo? I know for a fact your can't shoot magnetic ammo at spenceville.
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#claypigeonlivesmatter

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We need citation numbers to flush this turd!
I know a guy (who knows a guy)
who can tell us what them thar numbers mean.
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Are you sure it was for lead ammo and not "magnetic" ammo? I know for a fact your can't shoot magnetic ammo at spenceville.
Unless you're talking about a different spenceville than the one the rest of us are, I'm pretty sure that's wrong, too.
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No lead ammo, no steel core ammo whats next NO ammo.
if they ever ban the sale of lead ammo, they will probably also ban possession, or you will have to prove you had the ammo before the ban

then the DFG / LE will take it for "safe keeping" or public safety
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Found here, on page 65. https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.a...D=93480&inline

(v) Shooting Areas. This subsection identifies wildlife areas, pursuant to subsection 550(cc) of these
regulations, with designated shooting areas (i.e., ranges) and additional regulations for each designated
shooting area:
(1) Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit the lawful possession of a concealed firearm as provided in
subsection 550(cc)(1) of these regulations.
(2) Oroville Wildlife Area
(A) All legal firearms and archery equipment may be possessed and discharged at the target practice
area, which is open year-round. Only paper and clay targets may be used and must be removed by the
user when leaving the area.
(3) San Luis Obispo Wildlife Area
(A) No person shall enter the San Luis Obispo Wildlife Area except that portion of the area designated as
a public shooting facility under supervision of the authorized rangemaster or with written authorization
from the department.
(B) No firearms or other propulsive devices of any kind may be possessed or discharged except at the
designated public shooting facility under the direction and control of the authorized rangemaster.
(C)The public shooting facility is open Wednesday through Monday, from one-half hour before sunrise
to one-half hour before sunset, except for the lighted ranges which are open from one-half hour before
sunrise until 10:00 p.m.
(D) Daily range fees are required and to be paid at the facility.
(E) Alcoholic beverages may not be possessed or consumed on any part of the San Luis Obispo Wildlife
Area by any authorized rangemaster, or by any person who discharges or attempts to discharge a firearm
or propulsive device, or shoot an arrow.
(F) Full metal jacket bullets are not allowed.
(4) Spenceville Wildlife Area
(A) All legal firearms and archery equipment may be possessed and discharged at the target practice
area, which is open year-round. Only paper and clay targets may be used and must be removed by the
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Thanks for that information Spyder.
Just the facts ma'am.
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Found here, on page 65. https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.a...D=93480&inline

(v) Shooting Areas. This subsection identifies wildlife areas, pursuant to subsection 550(cc) of these
regulations, with designated shooting areas (i.e., ranges) and additional regulations for each designated
shooting area:
(1) Nothing in this subsection shall prohibit the lawful possession of a concealed firearm as provided in
subsection 550(cc)(1) of these regulations.
(2) Oroville Wildlife Area
(A) All legal firearms and archery equipment may be possessed and discharged at the target practice
area, which is open year-round. Only paper and clay targets may be used and must be removed by the
user when leaving the area.
(3) San Luis Obispo Wildlife Area
(A) No person shall enter the San Luis Obispo Wildlife Area except that portion of the area designated as
a public shooting facility under supervision of the authorized rangemaster or with written authorization
from the department.
(B) No firearms or other propulsive devices of any kind may be possessed or discharged except at the
designated public shooting facility under the direction and control of the authorized rangemaster.
(C)The public shooting facility is open Wednesday through Monday, from one-half hour before sunrise
to one-half hour before sunset, except for the lighted ranges which are open from one-half hour before
sunrise until 10:00 p.m.
(D) Daily range fees are required and to be paid at the facility.
(E) Alcoholic beverages may not be possessed or consumed on any part of the San Luis Obispo Wildlife
Area by any authorized rangemaster, or by any person who discharges or attempts to discharge a firearm
or propulsive device, or shoot an arrow.
(F) Full metal jacket bullets are not allowed.
(4) Spenceville Wildlife Area
(A) All legal firearms and archery equipment may be possessed and discharged at the target practice
area, which is open year-round. Only paper and clay targets may be used and must be removed by the
user when leaving the area
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FMJ not allowed, what do you shoot there then?
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It is best to accept and admit to an "oopser" than to loose face and credibility time and again over the same issue.

If you feel you might get a ticket like your boss did at "Spencerville", don't go there. Go to Victorville or somewheres-else-ville.
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