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Old 01-17-2019, 11:37 AM
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Youíre right, if there was an active shooter somewhere in the hotel or casino or anywhere for that matter it would be stupid to go looking for them to take them out. Thatís why I would never do that nor have I suggested I would do that. My reasons for carrying are selfish, itís to protect my life and the lives of my family. If there was an active shooter my priority would be to get my family as far away from them as possible. The only time I would pull my firearm out is if I was somehow unable to escape and I was being directly threatened by the shooter.

Is there a reason youíre being so hostile and resorting to insulting me personally? Have I done something to offend you?
No, I just don't think it's a good idea that you're contemplating getting into a firefight in a casino especially while your family is with you. You're putting yourself, your family and everyone around you at a higher risk because you're armed IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. I wouldn't want you anywhere near me because you've made yourself a target. If you think casino security personnel won't notice that you're armed, you're wrong; there are too many tells and too many eyes on you IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. Your primary weapon is defensive and it's situational awareness, not armed response.

That's my opinion, I don't expect you to agree with it. I fully agree with the casino's decision to prohibit armed persons unknown to them on their property.
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Old 01-17-2019, 11:55 AM
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No, I just don't think it's a good idea that you're contemplating getting into a firefight in a casino especially while your family is with you. You're putting yourself, your family and everyone around you at a higher risk because you're armed IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. I wouldn't want you anywhere near me because you've made yourself a target. If you think casino security personnel won't notice that you're armed, you're wrong; there are too many tells and too many eyes on you IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. Your primary weapon is defensive and it's situational awareness, not armed response.



That's my opinion, I don't expect you to agree with it. I fully agree with the casino's decision to prohibit armed persons unknown to them on their property.


Sorry, but I disagree with you. I will have to side with GuyFawkes on this one. Iíve been to many casinos and Iíve been armed most of the time. An active shooter scenario is very unlikely. Iím armed because of dumb ***es. People are stupid when they drink. I would rather be armed and not need it than need it and not have it. Even if there is an active shooter situation, no one is telling you to draw your weapon and run around with it. It will be chaotic and if people see you with a gun then they might think youíre a bad guy. I would NEVER draw my weapon in an active shooter situation unless I absolutely have to (e.g. shooter is in close proximity to me or my family, shooter confronts me, etc). You can call me a coward but I donít think Iíll draw my weapon to defend some stranger either. My priority is to my family. Iím not a hero and I donít try to be one. Iím an excellent witness, though. Take the Mandalay Bay incident for an example. How will drawing your weapon help the situation? The guy was on the 32nd floor. Running around with your gun will do more harm than good.
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No, I just don't think it's a good idea that you're contemplating getting into a firefight in a casino especially while your family is with you. You're putting yourself, your family and everyone around you at a higher risk because you're armed IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. I wouldn't want you anywhere near me because you've made yourself a target. If you think casino security personnel won't notice that you're armed, you're wrong; there are too many tells and too many eyes on you IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. Your primary weapon is defensive and it's situational awareness, not armed response.

That's my opinion, I don't expect you to agree with it. I fully agree with the casino's decision to prohibit armed persons unknown to them on their property.
The OP did not advocate, nor I am advocating jumping into a random active shooter situation. You made the assumption that he would be jumping into something between two rival factions. I carry in the event I have to actively defend my family or myself. And I have to disagree that I am at higher risk simply because I am armed.

And unless security is running some high speed system throughout the casino that can identify a weapon under someones clothing, no, they will not know I am armed. So far, at least according to a friend of mine that was in the industry, none of the casinos are using anything that has that capability on a regular basis.

I can absolutely agree with situational awareness being the primary defense.. I have left several places over the years that looked like a situation was going to go bad, or I had a bad feeling about it.

All that said, I generally do not carry when I am in a casino. For the simple reason that I feel generally safe there except from being accosted by some drunken idiot, and I know security is all over. That and I am usually drinking when I am in a casino as well.

I agree that we can disagree. And amiably as far as I am concerned. I would happily buy you a beer...but not if I'm armed in a casino.
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...he might get shot by security who are already on heightened alert because they're responding to a threat in the casino and he's standing there with a weapon in his hand.
I'm not sure where you came up with this idea that if there's a threat in the casino and you have a CCW you automatically have to pull your gun out and stand around in the middle of the casino waving it around. Obviously that would be stupid and I don't know anyone that has suggested that other than you. I carry for personal defense, not to augment the hotel's security patrol. If there was a situation where I couldn't escape and the only solution was to take down the threat then that's when I would pull out my CCW and use it. I'm sure in that scenario you would rather have a gun than not have one. Not sure why this is so controversial to you.
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Im in vegas working 90-100 days a year...
The only "negative" experience I have had regarding CCW is once at the Cosmo specifically whatever that club is upstairs. I have been there for a week now working on an event up there. This day is when the event is running. They brought out the metal detectors the day the event started for that club only. First couple days I showed them my CCW card for NV and said "Im working the show and I have this going on right now. " Guards let me though. This day it was new kid, who wasn't sure what to do so grabbed his Supervisor. Showed him the card and he said "you have it on you now?" "yes sir, 4-O'clock"... he pondered for a few secs and said "its against hotel policy to carry in the casino, why don't you just go put it in your room safe" then proceeded to tell me that he not against CCW and actually wishes that they would exempt us.

even at the Mandalay after the incident I have brought up rifle cases to my room, never Valet'd though. Most people in those places are pretty much okay with it, its a matter of whos watching them.
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No, I just don't think it's a good idea that you're contemplating getting into a firefight in a casino especially while your family is with you. You're putting yourself, your family and everyone around you at a higher risk because you're armed IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. I wouldn't want you anywhere near me because you've made yourself a target. If you think casino security personnel won't notice that you're armed, you're wrong; there are too many tells and too many eyes on you IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. Your primary weapon is defensive and it's situational awareness, not armed response.

That's my opinion, I don't expect you to agree with it. I fully agree with the casino's decision to prohibit armed persons unknown to them on their property.
I disagree with you as well. I have been carrying daily for close to 40 years; situational awareness has always been my primary means of self-defense. A firearm is my last ditch defense after all else has failed.
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Best way is quit wasting $$ going to Vegas. I quit when they added a Resort Fee to all the hotels. Vegas is NOT a resort destination!
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Ultimately Casinos don't want anything to interfere with the flow of $$$$.
They instituted No Gun Policies to appease the protests and show they are doing something.

They will enforce it when doing so costs them less then not.

Metal detectors etc. cost money and remind people of the shooting.

Losing the business of law abiding gun owners also costs them money.

Making a scene interrupts the flow of money.

If you are printing or they become aware you may be armed they have to take action. The prudent action is to discreetly ask you to check it or leave. If you refused of course they would likely treat you no better then a pick pocket, but that is not their preferred outcome.

However most Casino's are not going to invest the manpower and expense of total compliance and wants to keep john Q public focused on the flashing lights.

With a few exceptions Concealed is Concealed. I carry in many a Casino. On occasion I have had Casino Security make obvious eye contact, nod and walk away, but I have never been spoken to.
Mandalay Bay has been sued for how much so far by the victims of the shooting? I don't really see this as hotels wanting to appease the protestors, more like they don't want some copycat to due the same thing at their hotel that would open them up to future lawsuits.
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