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I am going out there with the girlfriend to see the area and try to sell her on moving there in a few months. It'd be to rich for my blood to make the trip just to see the case but since I'm headed out there around that time anyway I might as well try to kill two birds with one stone. I'm still waiting on approval to see if that weekend works...
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"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool that follows him?"-Obi Wan Kenobi the question here is not whether the carrying of arms is a good idea—the question is whether carrying arms is constitutionally protected. Objective standards and due process—not Defendants’ philosophy or personal beliefs about the value of this activity—must carry the day-Alan Gura |
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There are lots of reasons we fight on multiple fronts.
-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Us=The A Team. Denver, Colorado, and Brady/LCAV anti-gun crowd=General Tucco's crew. 10th Circuit Panel=Fighter Jet... Last edited by Gray Peterson; 12-30-2011 at 9:40 PM.. |
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This is what you will see with our movement. And that is not conjecture - that is based on polling. Sent from my brain, to yours. . . |
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^ That cannot come soon enough.
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"You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal. |
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Alan Gura will be arguing on behalf of SAF/State Orgs
Late yesterday, Alan Gura has sent an acknowledgement form to the 10th Circuit Clerk. He will be arguing on behalf of SAF, CGF, and other state organizations amici in Peterson v. Martinez.
01/26/2012 [9937594] Notice of appearance submitted by Alan Gura for Amici Curiae Buckeye Firearms Foundation, Calguns Foundation, Inc., Citizens Rights Action League, Commonwealth Second Amendment, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Hawaii Defense Foundation, Illinois Carry, Illinois State Rifle Association, Maine Open Carry Association, Maryland Shall Issue, Oregon Firearms Educational Foundation, Scope Inc., Second Amendment Foundation, Inc., Stillwater Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc., West Virginia Citizens Defense League Inc. and Wisconsin Carry Inc. for court review. Certificate of Interested Parties: No. Served on 01/26/2012. Manner of Service: ECF/NDA.--[Edited 01/26/2012 by SDS to remove pdf from entry as the pleading has been filed] AG 01/26/2012 [9937605] Notice of appearance filed by Mr. Alan Gura for Wisconsin Carry Inc., West Virginia Citizens Defense League Inc., Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc., Stillwater Firearms Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Inc., Scope Inc., Oregon Firearms Educational Foundation, Maryland Shall Issue, Maine Open Carry Association, Illinois State Rifle Association, Illinois Carry, Hawaii Defense Foundation, Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Commonwealth Second Amendment, Citizens Rights Action League, Calguns Foundation, Inc. and Buckeye Firearms Foundation. CERT. OF INTERESTED PARTIES: n. Served on 01/26/2012. Manner of Service: ECF/NDA. I'm looking forward to the "real argument" that will occur on March 19.... Last edited by Gray Peterson; 01-26-2012 at 11:23 PM.. |
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I've already got the time off work to be there. Of course the girlfriend took to long and couldn't get the time off though!!! Now everyone and their mother is involved! Just my luck.
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I'm likely flying there as well. That week is going to be action packed as the Nordyke oral arguments are that week as well.
-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Politely, is this watching history unfolding before us? There is an amazing amount of orgs in those notifications..
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Getting a substantial number of amicus briefs helps for a certiorari grant......
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I'm just some schmoe on the internet, but IMHO... yes. History in the making indeed. More importantly, this seems to be just a precursor to the best part which is yet to come.
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I think it entirely possible that in future years the top three 2A cases cited will be Heller, McDonald, and Peterson v. Martinez.
And as to why so many organizations? People like Gray - he's an impressive guy! |
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Good Luck and I hope you win big...for all of us! markm |
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Reason is that SAF is in my backyard, and look at the states in the list...all of them are orgs from states where CO doesn't recognize their licenses....
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That is correct. No Nordyke hold up....
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I will ask for time off for Nordyke Erik. |
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"Who is the more foolish? The fool, or the fool that follows him?"-Obi Wan Kenobi the question here is not whether the carrying of arms is a good idea—the question is whether carrying arms is constitutionally protected. Objective standards and due process—not Defendants’ philosophy or personal beliefs about the value of this activity—must carry the day-Alan Gura |
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Cool. Shop for the cheapest CCW, and every state has to accept it, if they grant reciprocity to any other state.
If forced to accept permits from states with lesser/different/other standards, states might very well drop their reciprocity schemes and get in the business of selling non-resident permits. They might even impose requirements to visit their state for issuance. Last edited by goldrush; 01-27-2012 at 11:20 AM.. |
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Also, the only "standard" being challenged here, at least on the reciprocity claim, is the home state resident reciprocity requirement as applied by Colorado. Home state requirements done by Florida and New Hampshire are constitutional because they offer non resident licenses. South Carolina is the only other problem state (though their legislature may fix that this year) because they ban OC, require concealed carry, don't issue non resident licenses except to those who own land there, and the residents of 33 states are SOL. one more thing: at CA10 level we're arguing about the appropriate ness the judges dismissal of the state party on the reciprocity claim. We're arguing the merits on the non resident license issuance. If CA10 orders issuance of the license.... How that translates into a future scenario you speak of, I have no idea..... Last edited by Gray Peterson; 01-27-2012 at 12:28 PM.. |
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If Nordyke were in the 10th and Peterson were in the 9th, I'm sure the 9th would find some reason to stay the case pending Nordyke...
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The 9th doesn’t seem to care how other circuits have ruled, they craft their own bizarre logic to provide the Supreme Court with additional material to disregard.
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If the 9th circuit was just trying to stall out gun cases, it may find the ground being shifted underneath them...
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But they do understand thier implications
-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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I happen to have a round-trip ticket to Denver. Whatever shall I do with it?
http://store.calgunsfoundation.org/p...p/coin-001.htm Bingham! -Brandon
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Brandon Combs I do not read private messages, and my inbox is usually full. If you need to reach me, please email me instead. My comments are not the official position or a statement of any organization unless stated otherwise. My comments are not legal advice; if you want or need legal advice, hire a lawyer. |
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Keep waiting for the lapel pins to ship?
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^That challenge coin looks awesome!
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The NRA CRDF is pushing for more argument time...
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You can now read the motion here: http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/pet...2012-01-27.pdf -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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This isn't ILA. This is the Civil Rights Defense Fund. Different org. Look them up...
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