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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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When you have to shoot in self defense, you want to use ammo that stops the threat; hollow points are designed for this. It won’t be safer if FMJ goes through the wall and takes out innocents than your intended target. If you’re worrying about international treaties, you might as well give up your firearms in self defense. Just my $.02 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Presumably the OP is referring to 9mm...It is not just how well the particular load tests out but how well it functions in your semi-auto firearm.
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Quote: Originally Posted by igs View Post Some places dont allow hollow points and neither do international treaties. Safer to stick with fmj than have to explain you were trying to cause more severe and untreatable injuries with hps. Loaded: FMJ will penetrate walls, fences, car doors etc.; JHP or HP may but is less likely; One of our biggest responsibilities is to make every attempt to hit ONLY our assailant(s) and not an innocent person or persons. I carry Speer Gold Dot in all three of my carry weapons, 9mm, .40 and .45. |
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San Francisco has a specific prohibition on Black Talon, and other LE-Only ammo not available to the public with similar ballistics to Black Talon. As far as explaining anything, that is your attorney's job, and JHP is the defacto standard in defensive ammunition. It is not and has never been a problem.
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Absolutely agree that only hit the intended target, assailant(s); however, during life and death situation (defensive shooting) most of the time the attacks are surprised with stress, adrenaline, I doubt that if one can hit the target 100%. A good example, LAPD SWAT team, when they are called in to shoot, they know or have description of their intended target, their hit rate is 85% or less. They practice twice a week to achieve this. One might say yes I practice a lot but it is much different when shooting a paper target than the real assault. I just think it is absurd to consider fmj because some international treaties or city ordinance, IMHO. I use Winchester Ranger T, Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot but my EDC Glock 19 likes HST. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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It is his job to articulate this to the court via carefully constructed questions that are mostly yes/no in nature. The more "description" or "explanation" you do on the stand, the more likely the jury is to misinterpret.
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I think it really comes down to what works well for you as what you practice with. I don't think there is any "bad" ammo, just use what you practice with. I'm assuming what you use is not illegal as some places ban use of certain ammo.
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I've watched videos with enough gelatin shot to fill a swimming pool. For standard bullet construction I think you can't beat Federal HST's especially the +p versions in any caliber for the best chance of stopping the attack with a single shot. This is what you want, not only because it ensures your best chance of surviving the attack, but also because your self defense shooting is less likely to result in your attacker's death if you don't have to shoot him multiple times. Furthermore, if you can stop the assailant with a single shot, that eliminates the possibility that subsequent shots you may have to take to stop the attack will go astray and injure a bystander.
If you are willing to explore a more innovative bullet design, you owe it to yourself to check out the Xtreme Defense line from Lehigh Defense. These are solid copper projectiles that, for lack of a better description, look like Phillips screwdriver bits. The combination of barrier penetration, huge wound cavity and optimal penetration are just unbeatable, and without turning this into a physics lesson, I think there are good physics reasons for the superior performance. It is NOT just a gimmick. The difference between this round and its competitors is especially large in the case of .380. This one round makes a short barreled .380 a serious choice for self defense. These same projectiles are loaded, often to higher velocities and +p versions, by Underwood Ammo using low flash powder. The only objection I can see is an unscrupulous prosecutor or plaintiff's attorney trying to fabricate a false narrative that your choice of such aggressive looking ammo shows some evil intent on your part. To those who think they can protect themselves from the unscrupulous prosecutor or attorney by picking the same ammo as local LEO's, I don't think you can win this issue. They will simply fabricate a different lie that the fact that you researched and chose what LEO's use shows you are a cop wannabe or vigilante. You cant stop the unscrupulous prosecutor from making up a lie about you, all you can do is influence which lie they tell. I choose not to let that drive my choice of how I defend my life. I'm choosing the best chance for my survival for all involved.
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I was under the assumption that HP ammo was blanket banned in SF County?? not that I would ever WILLINGLY visit SF or the Bay Area "And behind Curtain Number 1, a Lifetime supply of FECES AND NEEDLES! The San Francisco Treat!!" |
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When hitting drywall, most JHP "plug" with plaster and from there on act like FMJ.
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International treaties? Yeah I'll have to keep that in mind, I wouldn't want to piss off the Rhodesian government when I shoot someone that sticks me up. What a stupid post.
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Good talk, Professor |
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MY IA uses Winchester Ranger T, (probably the low bid) but if it's good enough for them...
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https://youtu.be/PyIrt7-kzjY Last edited by mansysinatra; 07-28-2018 at 12:20 AM.. Reason: link not working |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UP7p3fxgzE Anyway, I'm using Federal HST now since I've shot all the T-series.
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