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Old 12-03-2016, 8:14 AM
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Default Whats the new best CCW in CA with the 10 round max?

Those who can CCW in this craphole state, what are you going to do if you're not exempt from the mag ban?

Go to a .45 like a Glock 30 instead of a 19 to get 10 rounds of .45 in the same size gun? Go smaller in the same caliber? Ignore the garbage law and take your chances? Keep the same gun and just change the mag?

I'm really hoping that there is a shift in the winds and we will be given national reciprocity good for any permit including non-resident. I would love to carry in this craphole, I already have a CCW out of state and carry all the time.
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Glock 26 with a spare mag.

You give up some concealability with a Glock 30, plus you get more recoil. Hits on target trumps the marginal increase in stopping power.
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Old 12-03-2016, 8:43 AM
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The Glock 19 even with a 10 round magazine is still a very fine CCW pistol.
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Old 12-03-2016, 8:51 AM
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Smith 1006 is 9+1

Smith M&P 40 or 9 Compact is 10+1

I carry both so no change here
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I usually go with my G19... if limited to 10 rounds I'll be carrying my G26 most of the time.
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I really like the SA EMP or even a S&W Shield.
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Old 12-03-2016, 9:47 AM
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I carry an LC9, so no change.
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I've gone to smaller 9s or .45s for the pocket or IWB and carry an extra mag or two in another pocket. Just more comfortable for me overall than to worry about max mag capacity. So, that includes a Kahr CM9, Glock 43, and an XDs .45 3.3 in the rotation.

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Old 12-03-2016, 11:08 AM
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The Ruger LC 380 is a fine , well concealable, solid shooter.

You can carry it 100% "live" (condition 0 ), and because of the long trigger pull (get used to it with practice) it is very safe to carry.
The LC does have a safety.

As for my Glock I'm concerned when it is on condn 0, because of the significantly shorter pull - in an adrenaline situation, you could inadvertently fire unintentionally.

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You want something you can afford to lose. It will be taken as evidence, if you have to defend yourself.
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You want something you can afford to lose. It will be taken as evidence, if you have to defend yourself.
And held as evidence until all criminal proceedings are resolved.
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My current CA carry guns:
Glock 30 Gen 2.5
SIG P290RS


Need to renew next year, so may change it to:
Glock 30 Gen 2.5
Glock 43
S&W Model 325PD or Glock 19 Gen 3
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You want something you can afford to lose. It will be taken as evidence, if you have to defend yourself.


Isn't this the case for all firearms used in SD?
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I run a M&P 9c 10+1...
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You want something you can afford to lose. It will be taken as evidence, if you have to defend yourself.
I've never understood this logic. So buy a High Point. Oh wait, you'll be dead if you actually need it for self defense. Your wife will be happy though. Couple thousand more for her when your gone!

The first consideration should be reliability followed by accuracy. That way, you will happy to buy a new one if you actually had to use it because you survived the ordeal.
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Old 12-03-2016, 1:19 PM
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I've never understood this logic. So buy a High Point. Oh wait, you'll be dead if you actually need it for self defense. Your wife will be happy though. Couple thousand more for her when your gone!

The first consideration should be reliability followed by accuracy. That way, you will happy to buy a new one if you actually had to use it because you survived the ordeal.
I understand it. Don't carry your daddy's Heirloom Precision that is the only thing you have to remember him by. That's what they're saying. If there is a sentimental attachment that can't be replaced, don't carry it.
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Marginal difference between a G30 and G19.
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G29- baby-Glock 10mm.
If I had only one gun to carry.
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Anyone have experience with Sig P938? Or M&P Shield 9mm? Other ideas? Looking compact or subcompact for my CCW EDC in 9mm.


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My current CA carry guns:
Glock 30 Gen 2.5
SIG P290RS


Need to renew next year, so may change it to:
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Glock 43
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How do you like the SIG? Apparently you like the Glock 43 better?
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SA EMP for every day carry.
Sig P238 for business attire.
Sig P220 combat for the get home bag, in case of peaceful protesters.
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If I was not exempt , and had a carry permit in California , I would probably like to carry : Glock 26, SIG P239, Ruger SP101 three inch , Smith and Wesson J frame .38spl. All available ( on roster) and all can be used as designed ( no califirnia features ).
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I choose the PF9 (8+1) over the Shield for "light carry" because its thinner and weighs less loaded than the Shield does empty.

Next up was a "medium carry" and I chose the (10+1) G33. Same frame as the 26 but chambered in .357Sig which is a 9mm on steroids.

"Heavy carry" is an (10+1 / 14+1) ATI LW Fatboy - 3" 1911 double stack in .45ACP which also runs my preban 14rd Para mags.
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You want something you can afford to lose. It will be taken as evidence, if you have to defend yourself.
That's kinda like the guy who buys a cheap motorcycle helmet cause if he wrecks he doesn't want to ruin an expensive one...

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I understand it. Don't carry your daddy's Heirloom Precision that is the only thing you have to remember him by. That's what they're saying. If there is a sentimental attachment that can't be replaced, don't carry it.
No, that's not generally what they're saying. This subject has been beaten to death here for years. There is the camp that won't carry or keep in the nightstand a "expensive" gun, TRP, Wilson, Nighthawk, Dan Wesson etc. cause they are afraid of losing it if it's used. And then there's the camp that says use the finest (reliability and accuracy wise) weapon you can acquire, without consideration for price.

Yours is the first I've heard of heirloom or inherited status be mentioned.
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No, that's not generally what they're saying. This subject has been beaten to death here for years. There is the camp that won't carry or keep in the nightstand a "expensive" gun, TRP, Wilson, Nighthawk, Dan Wesson etc. cause they are afraid of losing it if it's used. And then there's the camp that says use the finest (reliability and accuracy wise) weapon you can acquire, without consideration for price.

Yours is the first I've heard of heirloom or inherited status be mentioned.
Thanks guy with half the time and half the posts I have for telling me how things work around here.
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I have a P938. You have to train for cocked and locked with a safety, but it is a nice pocket pistol. Mine prematurely ejects extended mags now and then, so will eventually replace some internal springs. Night sights are great. Currently not on my CCW, but never had any major issues with it. Not supremely accurate for me, but none of the pocket rockets are for my skill level. Carried it in a Desantis Superfly in a right front pocket without issue.
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I carry my HK P2000 9mm LEM daily. I'm adding an EMP for the occasions when I want something a bit smaller. The P2000 is very easy to conceal IWB and has a great trigger for SD.
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Here I was all excited about the topic, and I see all these non-roster guns I can't buy at my local gun shop.
So it looks like either the SA EMP (which I liked when I borrowed one at the range), or, for a third of the price, a S&W M&P Shield.
All the wonderful guns you guys have (SIG 938, Glock 42, etc.) I just can't bring myself to buy used for a 200%++ premium over MSRP (new!) just for the privilege in California.
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- G19 w/ proper cut down to a G26 w/ XC1
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Glock 26 with a spare mag.

You give up some concealability with a Glock 30, plus you get more recoil. Hits on target trumps the marginal increase in stopping power.
This.

Or stick with the G19 if you prefer the longer grip.
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Your CCW being a $400 gun or a $1500 gun will be the least of your problems if it is held for evidence for a criminal trial.
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Anyone have experience with Sig P938? Or M&P Shield 9mm? Other ideas? Looking compact or subcompact for my CCW EDC in 9mm.
The Shield 9mm is my EDC.
7rd factory mag for carry with MagGuts spring/follower so it is 8rds.
Spare 8rd mag with the same kit, reliably carries and feeds 10rds even though it's supposed to be only 9 with the kit.

Some have expressed concerns over reliability with the 8rd mags loaded to 10... Today I shot 100rds of 147gr HST from my EDC mags and had no problems. I normally "cycle" my carry ammo every couple of trips to the range, but today I wanted to run a better reliability test now that the mags have had almost a year completely loaded with these followers.

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Yours is the first I've heard of heirloom or inherited status be mentioned.
I've mentioned it a few times.

Wife knows that the only gun in the house that is off-limits for SD is grandpa's Colt 1903.
Two reasons actually... it's so shot out it can't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.

That said, there IS a loaded mag next to it. But she knows that if it's used, there had better be a pile of bodies and 6 jammed guns
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DIY Glock 30s if you have the money. It's the same size and weight loaded as a 15 +1 round Glock 19, but you have 10 + 1 rounds of .45 on board.
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DIY Glock 30s if you have the money. It's the same size and weight loaded as a 15 +1 round Glock 19, but you have 10 + 1 rounds of .45 on board.
My G30Gen4 is my favorite handgun as of now. Hope they make a G30S Gen 4 soon so that I can pick up a slide.
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DIY?

You mean a 30SF with a 36 slide?
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