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Old 12-04-2016, 5:22 PM
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I've also never had a firearm spontaneously discharge while lying on a bench.
I have. I've shot in benchrest matches where the wind blew so hard, it would trip competitors' triggers while the guns were just sitting in their rests. Gotta love Ben Avery.
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Old 12-05-2016, 9:23 AM
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Reaction to the situation described in the OP:

Internet: Scream in the person's face, puff up your chest, blade your body, and tell the guy to put the weapon down and "Come git sum!"

Real Life: Run and tattle to the range officer. Leave quickly to avoid a parking lot encounter.
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Thanks for the effort - that's what I was trying to say, there's really no orientation where a person can't glance and be fairly confident the thing is clear. If that's not good enough they should require flags.
Some of the ranges I go to, the RSO's use flashlights to get a good look inside the chamber.
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Old 12-06-2016, 7:59 AM
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Most of you folks appear to have very little experience at the firing line. The OP did the right thing. Any of you that think guns never fire themselves need to buy a gunsmith lunch and ask him to tell you some of his horror stories.
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This post is strictly done in an attempt to get this thread to 10 pages.
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Most of you folks appear to have very little experience at the firing line. The OP did the right thing. Any of you that think guns never fire themselves need to buy a gunsmith lunch and ask him to tell you some of his horror stories.
The OP was in the right, but could have gotten his point across with tact and grace, without involving the RSO. The offender might well have learned more from that approach, and made a change in attitude and behavior. Instead, here we are.....
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The OP was in the right, but could have gotten his point across with tact and grace, without involving the RSO. The offender might well have learned more from that approach, and made a change in attitude and behavior. Instead, here we are.....
It became an issue when the patron failed to acknowledge the OP's point on the direction of the pistol. The direction alone wasn't the issue from what I understand. It's the attitude from the patron on how he dealt with it. If the patron would have acknowledged the mistake and made it a point to correct it asap, I bet this thread wouldn't exist.
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It became an issue when the patron failed to acknowledge the OP's point on the direction of the pistol. The direction alone wasn't the issue from what I understand. It's the attitude from the patron on how he dealt with it. If the patron would have acknowledged the mistake and made it a point to correct it asap, I bet this thread wouldn't exist.
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It became an issue when the patron failed to acknowledge the OP's point on the direction of the pistol. The direction alone wasn't the issue from what I understand. It's the attitude from the patron on how he dealt with it. If the patron would have acknowledged the mistake and made it a point to correct it asap, I bet this thread wouldn't exist.
Yes, I understand that, but I believe that a slightly different approach by the OP might well have resulted in a more favorable response by the offender. Of course, I could be wrong.
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Threads like this, however, remind me of the advantages to being able to shoot in my back yard. I can even draw from concealment and do mag dumps without drawing the ire of the Rangemaster!
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Please don't give up people we still can make 10 pages. No one likes a quitter.
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Well, I think the OP and most of you commenters should consider the ramifications of......oh hell, I'm just BS'ing in an attempt to get this thread to 10 pages.
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rodralig for RSO!
Thanks....!!!!

I'm actually now thinking of getting a RSO certification course...


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Well, I think the OP and most of you commenters should consider the ramifications of......oh hell, I'm just BS'ing in an attempt to get this thread to 10 pages.
TWO more pages...!!!!

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Some patrons just do NOT want to be told by anyone else... *ugh*

Am wondering how any of you would have done if you were in my situation?

I was a the OC Indoor Range a few hours back. The RSO called for a ceasefire because he had to fix one of the targets.

We move back from the firing line and I see the patron right to me has his pistol pointing to my lane (not downrange).

I ask him, "... is that your gun? Could you please point the gun downrange?"

He replies with, "... it's OK. It's unloaded..."

I responded with "... excuse me?" while trying to keep the urge to tell him about the Safety Rules...

He continued, ".... as you can see, the action is open, and you can see it's unloaded..."

I really kept the urge in debating with him, because in actuality, even if the action were open, the gun was on it's right-side, hence, you can't actually see the ejection port and/or chamber!

All I then said, "... fine with me, do you want me to check with the RSO...?"

He goes, "... the RSO saw the gun like it was before we walked downrange, he seemed fine with it..."

I just cut him, "... no, I'll just check with the RSO..."

After the ceasefire, RSO comes back, and I asked him about leaving guns while away from the firing line and told him about the patron to my right.

So, patron moved the pistol correctly and told the RSO I was kind of being a dick or something... I just went "... What...?" I paused, "... okay, as long as the gun is now pointed in the right direction, I'm fine..."

I know I don't have much experience under my belt, but still, the Safety Rules are there, and should be abided by and understood by all shooters regardless of level.

*sorry for the rant*

But then, what would you have done?


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Your response of . . "excuse me" rather than "They policy is for them to point down range because the uniform consistency amounts to safety and a decreased chance of mistakes" . . shows a communication issue that you're harboring

And in place of your communication issue you go forward with tattletaleism . . not a great reflection of what humans should aspire to in the character department
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Most of you folks appear to have very little experience at the firing line. The OP did the right thing.
No thread is complete until someone presents themselves as the only competent adult among a mob of ignorant children. Thank you oh enlightened one for those pearls of priceless wisdom.
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No thread is complete until someone presents themselves as the only competent adult among a mob of ignorant children. Thank you oh enlightened one for those pearls of priceless wisdom.
You obviously don't care about firearms safety.
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Well, I think the OP and most of you commenters should consider the ramifications of......oh hell, I'm just BS'ing in an attempt to get this thread to 10 pages.
Wow this thread is still going lol. I posted before there was even a page 2 and forgot about it
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Wow this thread is still going lol. I posted before there was even a page 2 and forgot about it
You forgot because you don't care about the children. Or firearms safety.
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You forgot because you don't care about the children. Or firearms safety.
The cavalier attitude of the ignorant children on this thread is frightening.

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Your response of . . "excuse me" rather than "They policy is for them to point down range because the uniform consistency amounts to safety and a decreased chance of mistakes"
Your comment about the "excuse me" response is correct, but the policy isn't there for the sake of uniformity.

When a cease fire is called you're suppose to stop shooting, safety on (if applicable), remove the magazine (if applicable), lock the slide or bolt to the rear, set the firearm down, and step back away from the benches. You're suppose to do all of that with the gun pointed down range (for what should be obvious reasons.)

The fact that at the end of all that the gun is sitting on the bench pointing down range is a side-effect of the fact that you performed the entire clearing process with the gun pointed in a safe direction. If it's sitting on the bench pointed at the stall next to you it's a symptom of not having done that.

/just a little ways to go to get to 10 pages...
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why i do not go to pay to shoot places.
so many chances for a fail.

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I have. I've shot in benchrest matches where the wind blew so hard, it would trip competitors' triggers while the guns were just sitting in their rests. Gotta love Ben Avery.
Did tht wind close the action first?
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Popping the collars on my pastel Izod polos and draping an argyle sweater over my shoulders offers additional neck protection from hot brass.

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just so I understand this correctly-
You were standing away from the bench during a cease fire
the RO had checked the guns as safe
the RO went downrange- in front of YOUR MUZZLE
the fellow next to you had his muzzle pointing to your lane
You throw a fit because you somehow think this is unsafe.

Interesting.

So how unsafe was the RO downrange checking that target?
Ever been on a range where you had to walk downrange to change targets in front of everyones muzzle?

Grow a set, please.
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just so I understand this correctly-
You were standing away from the bench during a cease fire
the RO had checked the guns as safe
the RO went downrange- in front of YOUR MUZZLE
the fellow next to you had his muzzle pointing to your lane
You throw a fit because you somehow think this is unsafe.

Interesting.

So how unsafe was the RO downrange checking that target?
Ever been on a range where you had to walk downrange to change targets in front of everyones muzzle?

Grow a set, please.
You're late to the party. This has already been discussed, and a guy with WAY more range officer experience than you or i....sort of danced around the issue and thundered he'd toss anyone off his range for this.

And other guys back slapped him and labeled your attitude "cavalier about safety".
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just so I understand this correctly-
You were standing away from the bench during a cease fire
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the fellow next to you had his muzzle pointing to your lane
You throw a fit because you somehow think this is unsafe.
No. You do not understand this correctly.
The RSO could not have checked that it was safe, because the pistol was lying with the ejection port facing down onto the rest.
After the RSO returned, it is inferred that he spoke to the owner about it, since the owner then moved the pistol to face downrange in order to be in compliance (although after the fact.)
Telling someone to "grow a pair" when the most basic range safety rules are violated leads to carelessness. Matter of fact, if I were a a range where simple rules are violated because you know, "grow a pair," I'd never go back.
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You're late to the party. This has already been discussed, and a guy with WAY more range officer experience than you or i....sort of danced around the issue and thundered he'd toss anyone off his range for this.

And other guys back slapped him and labeled your attitude "cavalier about safety".
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No. You do not understand this correctly.
The RSO could not have checked that it was safe, because the pistol was lying with the ejection port facing down onto the rest.
After the RSO returned, it is inferred that he spoke to the owner about it, since the owner then moved the pistol to face downrange in order to be in compliance (although after the fact.)
Telling someone to "grow a pair" when the most basic range safety rules are violated leads to carelessness. Matter of fact, if I were a a range where simple rules are violated because you know, "grow a pair," I'd never go back.
See? Told you.
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No. You do not understand this correctly.
The RSO could not have checked that it was safe, because the pistol was lying with the ejection port facing down onto the rest.
After the RSO returned, it is inferred that he spoke to the owner about it, since the owner then moved the pistol to face downrange in order to be in compliance (although after the fact.)
Telling someone to "grow a pair" when the most basic range safety rules are violated leads to carelessness. Matter of fact, if I were a a range where simple rules are violated because you know, "grow a pair," I'd never go back.


You do know that a semi-auto pistol is proven to FTF when the slide is locked back 100% of the time, right? ejection port up, down, or sidewayz...
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See? Told you.
Yeap, you were right sir, I will gladly purchase you an adult beverage should we ever meet.
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You do know that a semi-auto pistol is proven to FTF when the slide is locked back 100% of the time, right? ejection port up, down, or sidewayz...
Your opinion and theories have nothing to do with following well established, easy to understand (for most, apparently not all) safety rules that a well organized range enforces. The firearm was not checked for clear. The potential hazards during and after the cease fire were clearly explained already for even the most simple minded to grasp.
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Popping the collars on my pastel Izod polos and draping an argyle sweater over my shoulders offers additional neck protection from hot brass.
I've found an ascot, lightly knotted, in a paisley motif, to provide excellent service.
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I've been busy with other things, so haven't been able to keep up.....

How many people were killed as a result of this transgression?
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I've been busy with other things, so haven't been able to keep up.....

How many people were killed as a result of this transgression?
None yet but we're working up to it.
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Old 12-14-2016, 9:27 PM
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Old 12-15-2016, 7:16 AM
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Your opinion and theories have nothing to do with following well established, easy to understand (for most, apparently not all) safety rules that a well organized range enforces. The firearm was not checked for clear. The potential hazards during and after the cease fire were clearly explained already for even the most simple minded to grasp.
It doesnt say it wasnt checked for clear, at least not in the OP. He assumed it wasnt because it was pointed to the side. If his story is in chron order, he also asked the guy to handle a pistol during a cease fire, easily a more serious transgression than the one you want to find.

No need to make up facts to support your smug moral high ground.
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Old 12-15-2016, 8:39 AM
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Your opinion and theories have nothing to do with following well established, easy to understand (for most, apparently not all) safety rules that a well organized range enforces. The firearm was not checked for clear. The potential hazards during and after the cease fire were clearly explained already for even the most simple minded to grasp.


It is not n opinion that gun with the slide locked back CANNOT fire. It is 100% Fail to Fire situation. YOU, being unable to comprehend simple facts, are stuck on the fact the ejection port was facing down. With the MAG OUT and the SLIDE LOCKED back the gun was an inert tool and could not discharge unless a mag was inserted and the slide run forward. Those are facts stated in the OP, not guesses based on some weird bend you need to fit your narrative.
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Old 12-15-2016, 8:48 AM
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Reaction to the situation described in the OP:

Internet: Scream in the person's face, puff up your chest, blade your body, and tell the guy to put the weapon down and "Come git sum!"

Real Life: Run and tattle to the range officer. Leave quickly to avoid a parking lot encounter.
This is probably what really happened haha
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