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Old 11-28-2016, 2:42 PM
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You go to LGS with the "Expectation" of guns are on display and not meant to load up live ammo and shoot targets or whatever.
I guess you've never seen this one.

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OP probably had a loaded gun pointed at him when he turned his back on the patron.

What a sour kitty-cat.

Unless he is handling his gun in an unsafe manner, MYOB.
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This.. OP must feel very uncomfortable when he walks down range with 100 guns pointing at him during cease fire..
How do the safety patrol guys explain this one?

Unloaded, locked back guns pointing your way while resetting targets is the standard and rule at all the ranges I go to. It's completely safe, and I'd be baffled if someone complained.

If the slide is locked back, the gun isn't going put a magazine in itself, unlock and fire.
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I guess you've never seen this one.

Seen that one long time ago. What did you learn about when a gun is hand over to you, what do you do? Perform safety check regardless of where you are. That person on the video did not!

Regarding the OP, why are you resistant on safety rule being broken? Are you one of those who stubbornly argue that "the gun is not loaded and safe" and disregard range's rules?
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When you go visit your LGS and majority of firearms are pointed towards you, do you jump out of your skin?

Nope. Do you? I also don't panic about a slide locked pistol sitting on a bench either. Had someone been actually handling it an unsafe manner then that would be cause for concern. The subject in the OP'S story violated a range rule. Was it really a serious safety violation given the slide was locked back and no one was touching it. IMO not the most optimal direction but no. If it is, I must ask again why it is safe for it to be pointing at range staff or anyone else while their downrange. You can't have it both ways.


When you go to the range and majority of firearms are pointed towards you, do you have the same feeling when at LGS?

Im not in fear of untouched, unloaded, slide locked weapons closing their slides and pulling their own trigger.

Think about that ..... and why are you so against somebody who's correcting the offender for proper safety, why is it so hard to just turn the gun in the safe direction, why resist a safe practice?

I'm not against pointing out a serious safety violations. If you read my original post you will see that I said "me personally", I didn't see enough to be concerned about and I would have MYOB as the weapon in question was slide locked and no one was handling it. I never condemned the OP for his actions. When I use a controlled range I go with the program but pretty much mind my own business unless I see a serious safety problem.


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How do the safety patrol guys explain this one?

Unloaded, locked back guns pointing your way while resetting targets is the standard and rule at all the ranges I go to. It's completely safe, and I'd be baffled if someone complained.

If the slide is locked back, the gun isn't going put a magazine in itself, unlock and fire.
You can bet someone complained. I while ago there was a thread here about gun stores violating gun safety rules by having their display guns pointing at customers. There was also a thread about a YouTube video where an unloaded shotgun was on a table and a kid walked passed it for a second. Some thought it was a major safety violation.
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OP probably had a loaded gun pointed at him when he turned his back on the patron.

What a sour kitty-cat.

Unless he is handling his gun in an unsafe manner, MYOB.
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OP you had every right to speak up to that ***hat. Don't think otherwise. Remember the firearm rules: always treat it as if it were loaded, and don't point it at anything you don't plan to shoot.


I guess some people with their "MYOB" comment need to be reminded of this as they have forgotten
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Degenerate scum.

Beat them to death with their own weapon next time.

Complacency kills, but so do people who find horse's backsides pointing unloaded weapons at them.

People behaving so cavalierly with firearms safety is such a poor reflection on shooters, and that RSO. BOO!

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I had a similar thing; 'downrange' was the stockroom and I'd just seen a couple people go back there, so I went left, where it was clear. I wonder if it's part of the safety check just to drill newbs?
At the range I know where the safest place to point is. At a store I just seem to point it somewhere where it isn't aimed at anyone else. But, the clerk was just going through the motions and turned the pistol towards the wall and told me "make sure it is pointed downrange." He was following what the state says he is supposed to do when it comes to safety even though it wasn't safe.
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I've done more than what you described. I was at the range and there was a couple beside me an older guy and his "partner". The were shooting a 1911. They had no clue. The younger guy would point the gun down the line with finger on the trigger. The gun was pointed directly at me. I'm thinking a 45 would probably have gone through at least a couple people.

I reached over and grabbed his hand and the gun. I literally took the gun away from him. I had a conversation with both and then spoke to the range officer.

I realize that some might disagree with me grabbing the gun way from him. However, I think like most of us we don't go to the range to get shot by some idiot.
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Whew coming back to work after a Thanksgiving weekend is like coming back to hell... Barely got time to take a breather!

Anyways, got the chance to read through the thread, and am just *SMH* that unless I've missed something in my safety class - I just can't believe that some people are willing to through interpretations and word-twisting to justify, to rationalize the Safety Rules. ....

As I would understand, most NDs happen in states of complacency, "know it alls," "I'm different," assumptions ( <--- mother of all f@ck #up$), etc. There is no SECOND chance - why take the risk?

I know there could be some improvements made in delivery (NOTE: I wasn't being a 'DICK,' patron seemingly went on a defensive replying back with "... It's okay... It's unloaded...," justifying that the action is open, etc. etc.)... But then again, who has the luxury of figuring out if a patron would likely get butt-hurt/offended/etc. hence find a more politically correct approach?

That said - next time it happens to me, I'll still go ahead an politely tell the patron. If he/she doesn't listen, I'll leave it at it without further discourse and immediately report to the RSO.

Ah, just to mention - this reminds me that in the FT3 range (yes, they have more manpower compared to OC Indoor) - I would remember the RSOs actually reminding patrons, etc. that whenever they have to step out for a moment (maybe to reload a magazine in the back counter/table), etc. from their bay that when they leave their firearm it must be action open/locked, ejection port pointing up and visible, and pointing in a safe direction (in which case, they specified 'downrange').

With everything said and done - I feel that I've done the right thing! Better be called a dick rather than having to compromise safety rules that will someday come around and bite me in the @r$e!

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NOPE ...! - I'll let you know RIGHT NOW and I just simply DGAF what you or you friend or the guy at the next lane think about me ... you are gonna know what firearm safety is if YOU cannot display utterly simplistic firearm safety on a HOT range ... mind your own effing business. The guy wants a lesson in public embarrassment ... I don't care about mind your business when a firearm is pointed in my direction ... ESPECIALLY on a fire range.
+1, I agree. The person the OP mentioned will be the same type of moron who will drop his slide with one hand ( Trying to be like their hero Martin Riggs!)which causes them to point the muzzle across the firing line towards the other shooters. I've actually seen it before. That **** will get your blood boiling!
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Regarding the OP, why are you resistant on safety rule being broken? Are you one of those who stubbornly argue that "the gun is not loaded and safe" and disregard range's rules?
Is this addressed to me? If so, I don't know where you could get the idea that I did not agree with the OP.

People keep referring to the rule, "treat every gun as if it is loaded." Well, that doesn't work. That's why the NRA changed its first rule to "ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction." In fact, the NRA dropped the "the treat every guns as if it were loaded from the top three safety rules. Why? Because too many unloaded guns have gone off and injured or killed someone. That was the point of posting my video.

Your argument was that guns in a gun store case were safer than guns on the line. That is a fallacious argument as shown in the video. No gun should be considered safe. If you watch the video, the cop first press checked the gun and determined that the chamber was empty. What he failed to do was check the magazine. He subsequently racked the slide, chambering a round from the magazine, and pulled the trigger.

However, he failed to follow the NRA's number one rule and shot himself. Had he pointed the gun in a safe direction, the AD/ND would have been of no consequence. But, like the guy in the OP's post, he pointed the "unloaded" gun in an unsafe direction. I don't condone that in any way. Anyone that does is a careless fool.

As far as the OP's experience, the RSO was the one who screwed the pooch. He apparently walked down the firing line without confirming that all guns were unloaded and pointed in a safe direction. (As someone mentioned earlier, you cannot confirm an empty chamber with the ejection port lying against the bench.)

The shooter screwed up because he let his ego get the better of him. He could have just told the OP he made a mistake and would fix it as soon as the range went hot. Instead, he tried to justify a blatant safety violation - not unlike some of the neanderthals in this thread.

The OP did what everyone should do. He saw a potentially dangerous condition on the range and attempted to fix it. I wasn't there, but if the situation was serious enough to cause him concern, it was serious enough to call it to the attention of the RSO.
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OP, would have done what you did. Bravo for taking a stand. Keep it up.
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I honestly don't understand why this is even up for debate

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well, I can't speak for all of the cutesy replies, but I can say this as a former RSO/OIC, range coach, marksmanship instructor, etc.;

follow the posted rules and RSO instructions or gtfo, period.. when we cease fire for target scoring/pasting, we clear the line..

shooters check and show clear, lay weapon on the deck, muzzle pointing down range, ejection port up, bolt locked to the rear, no magazine in the well..

about face, one step forward, march, parade rest while staff goes down range for whatever they need to do..

I realize civilian ranges have different processes but I'm sure muzzle discipline and no weapon handling rules are pretty dang close..

if a shooter can't follow a simple command to point their weapon in the same direction as everyone else, what other safety rule are they not following?

as a shooter, I'm not wasting any time trying to figure this guy out, I'm assuming a loaded gun is pointing in my direction..

yah, I'm happy to have words with anyone that wants to dispute the rules.. not shy there in the least..

if I have to have words with the RSO to get your attention, so be it..

you want to give me the stink eye and call me names on calguns, so be it..

you want to grow up and act like an adult while conducting yourself on a live range, so be it..
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But everything didn't just "beam" into position like that. In order for the gun to get like that it means the guy was at the firing line, while others were there too, and he was pointing his firearm at other people. Worst case, he may have performed the entire process of ejecting the magazine and clearing the chamber with the muzzle pointed at others on the firing line. At best it means he was pointing the gun at others on the firing line during at least some of his handling of it...
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Handling a gun in an unsafe manner includes placing it in a position that points in a direction considered unsafe.
Emphasis mine

Some of the other "cute" responses on here remind me why I dislike public ranges so much
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I would have offered to "holster" his weapon in the natural holster that God gave him and he'd better hope the front sight was smooth and the front of the gun properly lubricated so it didn't tear his prostrate during the holstering process.

NO ONE should touch a firearm when the line is cold. Period.
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I am shocked that so many people on this forum "dont give a f***" that someones pointing their gun directly to the side of them. It has been posted, but the time the OP noticed this was happening WASNT the problem, the problem is you have an active shooter who carelessly places his gun on the table. This means there are probably several times when his gun was loaded or unchecked and it was placed in the same manner.

If your going to go to a shooting range, follow the range rules or get the f*** out.

there is NEVER a situation at a range where you can be "TOO SAFE"

If you dont like that the range requires you to point your gun down-range every time its on the bench, go somewhere else (public land?)

writing off careless gun handling practices as "Not a big f****** deal" is one of the more concerning things I have read on this forum.

OP, you were completely in the right. I always find, though, that if a person with a gun is being illogical, its best to just leave. (which you did)


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Handling a gun in an unsafe manner includes placing it in a position that points in a direction considered unsafe.
Handling. You fool. He said the gun wasn't HANDLED at all.
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Is this addressed to me? If so, I don't know where you could get the idea that I did not agree with the OP.
You responded with short quote and a video. I'm not a mind reader so what do you expect from me?

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When I'm at LGS and checking out firearms without magazine, first thing I do is lock the slide and check the chamber for round, point in the safe direction.
When I'm at LGS and checking out firearms with magazine, first thing I do is remove the magazine, lock the slide and check the chamber, point in the safe direction.
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It doesn't matter here whether or not the offender broke a "proper" rule of shooting. What matters is that ranges are for SAFE use of firearms, and anyone at the range should be happy to do something like rotate their gun on the bench 90 degrees next time they set it down for someone else's reassurance. This wasn't a safety nut going crazy with the rules: dude simply didn't want uncased guns pointing at his lane.

OP did fine, other dude was a douche.

Those of you saying to save your effort, this wasn't that bad, etc. have it EXACTLY wrong. The time you catch someone "seriously" breaking these rules, it's too late. That's an averted disaster, not a prevented one. Pointing out safety rules when it doesn't seem like a big deal is how you train people to follow them at all times, before it's a big deal.
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Never read such cavalier ill advised BS in my life! If the OP felt threatened he had every right to react.
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Muzzle ALWAYS pointed down range.


One of the ranges (I think it was Chabot) I use to go to had a rule where you could only remove a gun from a case if the muzzle was pointed down range. If you had two guns in a pistol case and they were pointed in opposite directions, you could only remove the gun that had the muzzle pointed down range. You then had to close the case, turn it, open it, and then remove the gun. It was definitely safe, and I agree with it because stupid people keep loaded guns in their case, and if the gun was pointed anywhere but down range when the person grabbed it, it might have discharged into someone other then the idiot that deserved to be removed from the gene-pool.




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better to be perceived a dick than allow an unsafe practice. if i saw a noob doing the same, i would say something as well.
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You can bet someone complained. I while ago there was a thread here about gun stores violating gun safety rules by having their display guns pointing at customers. There was also a thread about a YouTube video where an unloaded shotgun was on a table and a kid walked passed it for a second. Some thought it was a major safety violation.
Hell, I believe we had a knock down multi page thread arguing that a YouTube guy sweeping the camera during a video he filmed with a tripod was "unsafe".
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better to be perceived a dick than allow an unsafe practice. if i saw a noob doing the same, i would say something as well.
A lot of it is people skills. For instance:
  • "You're breaking the rules by not having that point downrange" <-- accusatory, prone to provoke a defensive and non-productive response.
  • "Too late to worry about it now, but the RO is a real stickler for those being downrange. Nice gun." <-- Informational, diffuses the responsibility for the enforcement of the infraction to a 3rd party, more likely to be constructive and well received.

I'd probably have not said a word, but if I did I'd try to be tactful and constructive.
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All guns are unloaded until they accidentally go off and hit someone.
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At an indoor, effectively unsupervised range, Ive grabbed a loaded pistol out of a guy's hands under similar circumstances. Another instance, i started loudly berating the fella to not point the gun at his shooting buddies. Both those guys immediately complied.


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At an indoor, effectively unsupervised range, Ive grabbed a loaded pistol out of a guy's hands under similar circumstances. Another instance, i started loudly berating the fella to not point the gun at his shooting buddies. Both those guys immediately complied.
It's harder to have anything resembling a conversation on a hot indoor range, I have to note. That's a different circumstance, but tact is always a sign of maturity.
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A lot of it is people skills. For instance:
  • "You're breaking the rules by not having that point downrange" <-- accusatory, prone to provoke a defensive and non-productive response.
  • "Too late to worry about it now, but the RO is a real stickler for those being downrange. Nice gun." <-- Informational, diffuses the responsibility for the enforcement of the infraction to a 3rd party, more likely to be constructive and well received.

I'd probably have not said a word, but if I did I'd try to be tactful and constructive.
do you spend a lot of time around snowflakes? "tactful and constructive" are for the classroom, not an environment where complacency can kill someone.
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All guns are unloaded until they accidentally go off and hit someone.
Truer than most would believe. I am fanatical about gun safety especially after watching people who have no respect for firearms over the years. Even more so after a friend of mine almost died after he was shot center mass at a party by a relative showing off an "unloaded" gun.
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Handling. You fool. He said the gun wasn't HANDLED at all.
The handgun didn't place itself in a particular direction.

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Some patrons just do NOT want to be told by anyone else... *ugh*

Am wondering how any of you would have done if you were in my situation?

I was a the OC Indoor Range a few hours back. The RSO called for a ceasefire because he had to fix one of the targets.

We move back from the firing line and I see the patron right to me has his pistol pointing to my lane (not downrange).




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if you guys voted for hiliary.. we wouldnt have this kind of problem...
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