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Unloaded, locked back guns pointing your way while resetting targets is the standard and rule at all the ranges I go to. It's completely safe, and I'd be baffled if someone complained. If the slide is locked back, the gun isn't going put a magazine in itself, unlock and fire. |
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Seen that one long time ago. What did you learn about when a gun is hand over to you, what do you do? Perform safety check regardless of where you are. That person on the video did not!
Regarding the OP, why are you resistant on safety rule being broken? Are you one of those who stubbornly argue that "the gun is not loaded and safe" and disregard range's rules?
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Your answers above^
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OP you had every right to speak up to that ***hat. Don't think otherwise. Remember the firearm rules: always treat it as if it were loaded, and don't point it at anything you don't plan to shoot.
I guess some people with their "MYOB" comment need to be reminded of this as they have forgotten
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Degenerate scum.
Beat them to death with their own weapon next time. Complacency kills, but so do people who find horse's backsides pointing unloaded weapons at them. People behaving so cavalierly with firearms safety is such a poor reflection on shooters, and that RSO. BOO! Good for you keeping your cool.
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At the range I know where the safest place to point is. At a store I just seem to point it somewhere where it isn't aimed at anyone else. But, the clerk was just going through the motions and turned the pistol towards the wall and told me "make sure it is pointed downrange." He was following what the state says he is supposed to do when it comes to safety even though it wasn't safe.
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I've done more than what you described. I was at the range and there was a couple beside me an older guy and his "partner". The were shooting a 1911. They had no clue. The younger guy would point the gun down the line with finger on the trigger. The gun was pointed directly at me. I'm thinking a 45 would probably have gone through at least a couple people.
I reached over and grabbed his hand and the gun. I literally took the gun away from him. I had a conversation with both and then spoke to the range officer. I realize that some might disagree with me grabbing the gun way from him. However, I think like most of us we don't go to the range to get shot by some idiot. |
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Whew coming back to work after a Thanksgiving weekend is like coming back to hell... Barely got time to take a breather!
Anyways, got the chance to read through the thread, and am just *SMH* that unless I've missed something in my safety class - I just can't believe that some people are willing to through interpretations and word-twisting to justify, to rationalize the Safety Rules. .... As I would understand, most NDs happen in states of complacency, "know it alls," "I'm different," assumptions ( <--- mother of all f@ck #up$), etc. There is no SECOND chance - why take the risk? I know there could be some improvements made in delivery (NOTE: I wasn't being a 'DICK,' patron seemingly went on a defensive replying back with "... It's okay... It's unloaded...," justifying that the action is open, etc. etc.)... But then again, who has the luxury of figuring out if a patron would likely get butt-hurt/offended/etc. hence find a more politically correct approach? That said - next time it happens to me, I'll still go ahead an politely tell the patron. If he/she doesn't listen, I'll leave it at it without further discourse and immediately report to the RSO. Ah, just to mention - this reminds me that in the FT3 range (yes, they have more manpower compared to OC Indoor) - I would remember the RSOs actually reminding patrons, etc. that whenever they have to step out for a moment (maybe to reload a magazine in the back counter/table), etc. from their bay that when they leave their firearm it must be action open/locked, ejection port pointing up and visible, and pointing in a safe direction (in which case, they specified 'downrange'). With everything said and done - I feel that I've done the right thing! Better be called a dick rather than having to compromise safety rules that will someday come around and bite me in the @r$e! Cheers!!! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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People keep referring to the rule, "treat every gun as if it is loaded." Well, that doesn't work. That's why the NRA changed its first rule to "ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction." In fact, the NRA dropped the "the treat every guns as if it were loaded from the top three safety rules. Why? Because too many unloaded guns have gone off and injured or killed someone. That was the point of posting my video. Your argument was that guns in a gun store case were safer than guns on the line. That is a fallacious argument as shown in the video. No gun should be considered safe. If you watch the video, the cop first press checked the gun and determined that the chamber was empty. What he failed to do was check the magazine. He subsequently racked the slide, chambering a round from the magazine, and pulled the trigger. However, he failed to follow the NRA's number one rule and shot himself. Had he pointed the gun in a safe direction, the AD/ND would have been of no consequence. But, like the guy in the OP's post, he pointed the "unloaded" gun in an unsafe direction. I don't condone that in any way. Anyone that does is a careless fool. As far as the OP's experience, the RSO was the one who screwed the pooch. He apparently walked down the firing line without confirming that all guns were unloaded and pointed in a safe direction. (As someone mentioned earlier, you cannot confirm an empty chamber with the ejection port lying against the bench.) The shooter screwed up because he let his ego get the better of him. He could have just told the OP he made a mistake and would fix it as soon as the range went hot. Instead, he tried to justify a blatant safety violation - not unlike some of the neanderthals in this thread. The OP did what everyone should do. He saw a potentially dangerous condition on the range and attempted to fix it. I wasn't there, but if the situation was serious enough to cause him concern, it was serious enough to call it to the attention of the RSO. |
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I honestly don't understand why this is even up for debate
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Some of the other "cute" responses on here remind me why I dislike public ranges so much |
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I would have offered to "holster" his weapon in the natural holster that God gave him and he'd better hope the front sight was smooth and the front of the gun properly lubricated so it didn't tear his prostrate during the holstering process.
NO ONE should touch a firearm when the line is cold. Period.
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I am shocked that so many people on this forum "dont give a f***" that someones pointing their gun directly to the side of them. It has been posted, but the time the OP noticed this was happening WASNT the problem, the problem is you have an active shooter who carelessly places his gun on the table. This means there are probably several times when his gun was loaded or unchecked and it was placed in the same manner.
If your going to go to a shooting range, follow the range rules or get the f*** out. there is NEVER a situation at a range where you can be "TOO SAFE" If you dont like that the range requires you to point your gun down-range every time its on the bench, go somewhere else (public land?) writing off careless gun handling practices as "Not a big f****** deal" is one of the more concerning things I have read on this forum. OP, you were completely in the right. I always find, though, that if a person with a gun is being illogical, its best to just leave. (which you did) My thoughts exactly. Last edited by Maximus924; 11-29-2016 at 7:14 AM.. |
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All this time you don't disagree with OP as you say and yet continue to take me down the rabbit trail. What a waste of my time.
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When I'm at LGS and checking out firearms with magazine, first thing I do is remove the magazine, lock the slide and check the chamber, point in the safe direction.
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It doesn't matter here whether or not the offender broke a "proper" rule of shooting. What matters is that ranges are for SAFE use of firearms, and anyone at the range should be happy to do something like rotate their gun on the bench 90 degrees next time they set it down for someone else's reassurance. This wasn't a safety nut going crazy with the rules: dude simply didn't want uncased guns pointing at his lane.
OP did fine, other dude was a douche. Those of you saying to save your effort, this wasn't that bad, etc. have it EXACTLY wrong. The time you catch someone "seriously" breaking these rules, it's too late. That's an averted disaster, not a prevented one. Pointing out safety rules when it doesn't seem like a big deal is how you train people to follow them at all times, before it's a big deal. |
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Not a movie. "The pacific" HBO series.
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Muzzle ALWAYS pointed down range.
One of the ranges (I think it was Chabot) I use to go to had a rule where you could only remove a gun from a case if the muzzle was pointed down range. If you had two guns in a pistol case and they were pointed in opposite directions, you could only remove the gun that had the muzzle pointed down range. You then had to close the case, turn it, open it, and then remove the gun. It was definitely safe, and I agree with it because stupid people keep loaded guns in their case, and if the gun was pointed anywhere but down range when the person grabbed it, it might have discharged into someone other then the idiot that deserved to be removed from the gene-pool. .
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Now, I am going to have to watch the whole series. Thankfully it is included with Amazon prime.
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I'd probably have not said a word, but if I did I'd try to be tactful and constructive. |
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I just did that recently. Did a full Geek out on band of brothers than the Pacific. Good series!
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At an indoor, effectively unsupervised range, Ive grabbed a loaded pistol out of a guy's hands under similar circumstances. Another instance, i started loudly berating the fella to not point the gun at his shooting buddies. Both those guys immediately complied.
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It's harder to have anything resembling a conversation on a hot indoor range, I have to note. That's a different circumstance, but tact is always a sign of maturity.
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Truer than most would believe. I am fanatical about gun safety especially after watching people who have no respect for firearms over the years. Even more so after a friend of mine almost died after he was shot center mass at a party by a relative showing off an "unloaded" gun.
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I always get a good laugh from Calguns. MENSA has nothing on us.
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The handgun didn't place itself in a particular direction.
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if you guys voted for hiliary.. we wouldnt have this kind of problem...
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