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LCI with thumb safety and magazine disconnect
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H trigger bar and updated slide stop installed. What a huge difference in tactile reset feel. Range test tomorrow. |
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I've installed 4 maguts 2 in 7 round mags and 2 in 8 round mags, I've run 500+ rounds of fmj and hst147 thru
They've run flawless so far no malfunctions It's amazing to have a pistol as small and easy to carry as a 9 mm shield with 9+1 rounds of 147 HST on board |
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Thanks for the additional info. It'll help those who are on the fence. |
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The "telescoping" springs are simply a work of engineering art.
If they could come up with a way of telescoping the springs without the "cup" we'd have room for another round.
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Bumpdate on this one....
I noticed during my last trip to the range that I got 10 shots out of one of my mags. Did I forget to clear the chamber before loading up the FMJ? Nope... there's my 7rd carry mag with the extra JHP in the pocket on my bag. Reload the 3 mags. Was that 9 or 10? Fire the 3 mags. 9, 10, 9 Reload, had my wife count as I loaded. One mag accepted 10 rounds. Got home and disassembled all of my modded mags. No difference in assembly... springs seated in the cups and followers the same way. Put them back together... can still only get 8rds into the low-profile (carry) mag. NOW I'm able to get 10rds into all 3 of my extended mags. It's not a spring compression issue... the mag that originally fed 10 has not been kept loaded. My backup mag would only accept 9 until I reassembled it. The 10th one goes in no harder than #8 used to go in stock. Possible explanation, spring tension relaxing, or the feed lips are bending... but neither explains why the first mag to show this is both not kept loaded 24/7, nor has it been used much after initial testing. Regardless, I'm not complaining, but am keeping a close eye on function and will replace the bodies on the carry mags at the first sign of issues. On the Talon grip tape, I ended up getting some "smearing" on the body-side. They were gradually pulling forward. At first, I just made a nice semi-circular cut along the crescent line on the grips and removed everything behind that, but a while later I just removed them completely. I added them for the thickness rather than the grip, since I was more used to my Glocks and 1911. Now that I've been spending more time with the P380, the smaller grip on the Shield doesn't bother me.
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Thanks for the update, Coke.
Hmmm. Contact MG. They're aware that sometimes 10 rounds can get into the extended mags, but stated that it could cause reliability issues. If you have no issues after testing, then I'd say it's a blessing. On the Talons, I've noticed that they revised the design of the tape. The back side is now sealed and the tape wraps towards the front. I bought a set to try, but have yet to put them on. http://talongungrips.com/grips/smith...on/shield.html |
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I have not seen this myself. They don't appear to have authorized vendors either.
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I just ordered the +1 mag extender from Magguts. According to their info, it will extend an eight round mag to nine, and with their guts, total of 10 rounds. I ordered several to mess with, hope they work out!
Jerry
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Yes, that's correct. They have one for the Shield 40 also. |
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Got a couple as well, if these work out I might be moving my M&P 9c
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Just an update to anyone with the base plates. I can comfortably squeeze 10 rounds into the factory eight round mags now. I have tried it on the seven round body, but it lands at an awkward spot for my pinky finger. I have the Talon grip wraps on the Shields now, and added the same for the magazines. I went with the Ruger LC( ones which are slightly bigger, and they fit well enough. I'll try to post up some pictures later.
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Slide Stop You will want the H trigger bar and the updated slide stop. They work in conjunction with each other. This is assuming you didn't replace the trigger already. It basically feels like the Shield trigger now. Nice, tactile reset. Last edited by code_blue; 10-20-2016 at 1:52 PM.. |
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Here's the first two. Still not sure which one to put the third one on.
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Just a heads up (or maybe I've been asleep), but Magguts just came out with a +2 mag extension for the Shield. So, you get a total capacity of 9 or 10 rounds per magazine. They have a complete set for $32.95(!). Quite spendy, but for anyone who wants to get that extra edge of 10 rounds, this may be a way to go! If anyone has tried it, let us know how they work!
http://magguts.com/shop/smith-wesson...-wesson-shield Happy shooting and be safe.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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I don't like the extension.
The sharp corner at the rear digs in and hurts, even wearing a t-shirt, and the point really tends to print. I carried one for about 3 hours before I got sick of getting poked and swapped it for the 8/9rd I normally pocket. That evening the floorplate went back into the envelope and I continue to carry with the 7/8rd mag and an 8/9 (10) in my pocket. Also, be careful on the 8rd mags with the extension and follower kit. I can get 10 rounds into every one of my 8rd mags with the spring and follower kit... the new floorplate would make them 11rd mags.
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CA M&P Shield Mods & MagGuts +1 Spring Test
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Thanks for the update! They probably need a bit more refining.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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Ya...
A little file work and that might reduce the discomfort issue, but at that point, it is still not as smooth as the factory base on the 8rd mag, and really no smaller. May as well carry the 8rd mag with the spring kit (which I do for my backup mag).
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Speaking of a little file work, I didn't like the way we had to move our hands out of the way to get the 8 round mags to drop free. The sleeve on the mag hangs up on our palms. Shooting without the sleeve is weird cuz there's a lack of pinky holding real estate.
So, what does someone do when they have a Dremel and some spare time? Glad you asked! Lol! There is a little ugliness from the voids in the molding process, but it doesn't bug me or the wife.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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XDJYo, could you provide a of photo of the modded mag inserted into the pistol and one of you holding it?
I'll be ordering the MG base plates to personally test on the flush and extended mags. MG advised me that they are compatible with Gen 1 springs and do not require the Gen 2 Z-spring. Happy shooting. It's back to square 1 testing for me. |
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Jerry
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Bug_eyed,
Could you post a side by side of the standard extened mag with OEM baseplate and the flush mag with the MG extended baseplate? MG states that it is shorter than the OEM 8 round, but I want to see the difference. Thanks |
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Here you go! Hope this helps. IMG_3592.JPGIMG_3593.JPGIMG_3595.JPGIMG_3596.JPG
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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I will try to get it done Sunday, work has been killing me. There's no way the OEM eight round is longer than the MG extension added to the eight round body. I think they mean it will be shorter with the extension on the seven round body with the +1 compared to the eight rounder, which might be possible, but I'll have to swap some around. Jerry
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I beat Jerry to the punch.
Here are the two side by side. The Magguts +1 extension base plate is shorter than the OEM S&W 8 round magazine. IMG_3597.JPGIMG_3599.JPG Here it is in the pistol. IMG_3600.JPG Compared to the 8 round OEM mag. IMG_3601.JPG Hope this helps!!
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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11/5/16 Update: MagGuts +2 Kits With Gen 2 Springs
11/5/16 Update: MagGuts +2 Kits using Gen 2 Z-Springs
Here is the kit Opened and comparing Gen 2 Z-Springs (Left) to the Gen 1 dual springs (Right) Note the differences in followers. Gen 2 Left and Gen 1 Right Here are the springs installed into the mags, loaded to max capacity. Left to right: Flush mag with new MG Gen 2 +2 kit, OEM extended with MG Gen1 +1 kit, Extended with MG Gen 2 +2 kit. Inserted into the Shield: Flush with new Gen 2 +2 Kit OEM extended with Gen 1 +1 kit Extended with new Gen 2 +2 In case anyone was wondering, the original nail polish mod is still holding strong: Last edited by code_blue; 10-25-2017 at 1:32 PM.. |
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11/5/16 Update: MagGuts +2 Kits With Gen 2 Springs Part 2
I took it to the range and tested the kits. All performed flawlessly with Miwall 125GR reloads. I shot over 100 rounds without issue. Each mag was loaded to capacity (9 and 10) with 1 in the chamber to test tension.
Note that the spring tension is considerably tight with the flush mag, but the new extended mag had a bit more give. I'll continue testing a few hundred more Miwall loads before testing the 147 GR Gold Dots that I normally carry. Size wise, I like the new flush mag; it has just enough for a pinky purchase, but not too much to hinder concealment. I'd say the difference between the new MG baseplate and the OEM extended is about the size of the OEM flush mag's base plate. You can see the difference in the photos in Part 1. When paired with the new extended mag, the Shield is the same grip length as my Sig P320C. Essentially, it feels like a true compact grip. I really like it. I wish I snapped photos of the targets. I forgot how accurate this little gun was. It made me look good in front of the Army vet that I brought out. He hadn't shot for a while so I decided to take him along. He said that his old eyes weren't working as well as they used to, but the Shield was dead on. We were shooting the center "C" out like no one's business at 5, 10, and 15 yards. He wants one now lol. So in this case, I'm packing the same set of rounds as my P320C, but in a much slimmer profile. I will compare against my P320SC at a later time as that also packs 10+1. Here are the comparison photos with the Shield placed on top of my P320C: Based on my testing, these are good to go and worth looking into. As usual, I will report updates as they are completed. Last edited by code_blue; 07-29-2017 at 1:21 PM.. |
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Thanks for the updates!!! Glad to see both Gen 1 & Gen 2 are reliable (so far). Glad I didn't pony up for the Gen 1's a few months ago.
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Les Baer 1911: Premier II w/1.5" Guarantee, Blued, No FCS, Combat Rear, F/O Front, Checkered MSH & SA Professional Double Diamond Grips Springfield Armory XD-45 4" Service Model Springfield Armory XD9 4" Service Model (wifes). M&P 15 (Mine) |
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I received notice that my followers are on recall for possible issues with the batch that my order came from. MG said that I may never experience issues, but they want to swap them out to be sure. I'll need to reset the testing from zero with the replacement followers once they arrive. I don't know if the current stock was corrected, but if you're going to order and can wait hold off until the replacement followers have been tested to my current standards. |
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Are these the Gen 2 or Gen 1 followers?
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Here's the email with the part numbers and date range: Quote:
Last edited by code_blue; 11-25-2016 at 6:10 PM.. |
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