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Best .22 semiauto pistol for training?
I'd appreciate recommendations on which .22LR handgun to purchase for training both myself and new shooters.
A few friends swear by their Browning Buckmark but I think I'd prefer a pistol like the Ruger SR22 that's similar in shape and operation to my .40 S&W Glock. Reliability (firing and feeding) with all kinds of .22LR ammo is also a key concern. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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SR-22 is off roster, but nice and a real fun shooter.
Not the most accurate at distance compared to a Ruger Mark, also off roster. Buckmark is one of the best at a reasonable price on the roster.
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Reliable and Fun with 1911 Feel
Browning 1911-22 Full Size or 1911-22 Compact. Both are CA complaint.
These are 85% downsized 1911. A bit pricey but they are reliable and fun to shoot.
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I very much enjoy my buckmark; so much that it comes out with me every outing.
Here's the first or second time I ever shot a .22lr pistol (I started on 9mm as a kid), and it was with my buckmark - 40 shots at just over 10 yards. Since then, I can replicate this sort of group at 15 yards. It's stupid easy to be accurate with this gun. By the way, did I mention it's fun modifying this thing to your liking?
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Just purchased a Phoenix arms .22 for the wife came with one mag. Has three inch barrel, looking on EBay I found a kit that has 5" barrel and extra mag with extension. There are a lot of knocks on this gun since it has 3... Yes 3 safety's. However right out of the box shooting federal .22lr at the range we shot about 150 or so rounds and had 2 failure to feeds. Isn't clean it beforehand tho. Felt nice... In hand. My wife didn't like the mutiple safety's but it was inexpensive... Less then $200 and she enjoyed shooting. Decent grouping, when using 5" barrel. Overall not a bad gun. I was reading on another forum there is away to put a shim on the magazine safety so you have one less safety to deal with. I'm sure people will have bad things to say about it... But hey for the price you really can't complain.
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With regards to reliability my top three choices would be:
Browning Buckmark New Ruger Mk IV (now incredibly easy to breakdown) S&W Victory If you have your heart set on the Ruger SR22, then go find a Ruger forum and see what folks have to say about reliability. As a side note, I have a M&P 22 and it's reliable with Remington Thunderbolts and CCI's but not so much with other ammo. I do like it, however, as it's essentially identical to my M&P 9mm and 45. To me, reliability trumps the need for the gun to be similar to my 9mm and 45. If I had realized that my M&P .22 was going to be so finicky with ammo, I would have gone with one of the other three. This did present some challenges for me when we were neck deep in the .22 ammo shortage. It's fine now as I can always find Thunderbolts or CCI's. And if the roster is a concern then I think you're looking at either the Buckmark or a Ruger Mark III. If that were the choice I'd go Buckmark all the way since the Mk III is notoriously difficult to break down. YMMV.
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I tried Sig mosquito and it's sucks with anything other than CCI stingers or mini mags, Ruger SR-22 was good but over priced now that it's off roster. I've heard good things about GSG-1911 .22, but have only held them in stores, haven't shot one. My choice, albeit an expensive one is the Beretta 87,with the idea that you want to train with something that more closely feels and operates like a self defense type pistol.
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With regards to reliability my top three choices would be: Browning Buckmark New Ruger Mk IV (now incredibly easy to breakdown) S&W Victory These are three very reliable and accurate guns. Unfortunately, the Mark IV and the Victory are not on the California roster so very difficult to find here. |
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Ruger SR-22 is the most reliable .22lr pistol I've ever shot, and I've owned several. It's worth the money |
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Try and find either a trainer by the same manufacturer as your primary caliber. Then the grip and controls will feel the same. There are also caliber exchange kits converting larger calibers to 22. The Sig mosquito is finicky with ammo. But you learn how deal with malfunctions.
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Buy once and cry once but if you can find a Smith and Wesson Model 41, then you will have the best. They are hard to find but you can purchase out of state even though they are off roster because they are on the Olympic Firearm Exempt list.
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If your goal is to improve your ability with your Glock, then buy the conversion for your Glock. The only thing in common a dedicated .22lr pistol has with your glock is that they're both pistols that shoot bullets. They have darn near no similarities to assist you in familiarizing yourself with your Glock to improve your marksmanship. You can work on the fundamentals that most shooters have trouble with for free with dry fire practice. For every round you shoot, you should be doing 100 dry presses.
I own a .22 conversion for my main pistol and it's a training tool ONLY. I can't think of any semi-auto pistol .22lr out there I'd use for self defense and need to be reliable. The conversion will not be as reliable as a dedicated .22 pistol but it will offer you other training opportunities like clearing and diagnosing malfunctions of all stages. Another option is selling the horrendous .40S&W and buying a 9mm Glock. That will automatically cut down your training costs with no drawbacks. This is my opinion but it's spoken with experience from owning both dedicated .22lr pistols and conversions. |
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I'm a fan of S&W M&P 22. I've got close to 8K rounds through it, any hiccups were ammo related. It chewed through 200 rds of subsonic with no issues.
Makes a great training pistol in my opinion, because it's the same frame as its 9 & 40 centerfire counterparts. It's off roster though. |
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For "training" I prefer my .22lr conversion kit. It literally lets me keep the feel of the original pistol (minus the recoil impulse obviously). Each different brand of pistol is going to be different for the most part so if you are training, I'd think you'd want to stick with the platform you will be using as much as possible.
As far as reliability, a lot of it varies from pistol to pistol. My SR-22 and Mk.3 Target are about neck and neck. CCI has given us the least amount of failures. Hope this helps any.
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I have a Kadet conversion for my CZ-75, and I would say it is nothing short of awesome. It's pretty pricy considering you need to buy a CZ-75 first, and then the Kadet kit, but if you put any money into your CZ (cajungunworks hammer/sear for instance) you get the benefit of that with your 9mm and .22.
I competed in a .22 match a couple of months back with this pistol. Almost everyone else had fancy Ruger target pistols, and I'm a pretty lousy shot. But I ended up scoring OK, because I didn't have a single malfunction, while a number of the others lost significant scores due to malfunctions. Anyway, just something to consider, particularly if you are a CZ fan. |
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That's awesome. When did they start making a trail-lite with a permanently attached comp?
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There is a reason the buckmark has been around in one form or another for 70 years
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Another vote for the Buckmark. I like the Buckmark so much that I shoot it more than my S&W Model 41.
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I think the Browning is the only one on the roster.
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I think the best 22lr for training is one that approaches the size, shape and weight of what you would carry...
Ruger 22/45 if you carry a 1911 MP22 if you carry a MP9 Any conversion kit for your carry gun guns like the SR22 are great .22s but dont fit the bill as a good training gun since they are so darn light. |
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You can order it this way directly from TacSol or you can find some from online retailers. I learned about TacSol at my LGS where they had one as a display model; loved the way it felt and figured it was an inexpensive way to get into red dots+handguns.
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Look at the rental counters and the local range...
You will see very very old ruger pistols They work - they work better clean but the work The 22/45 is a nice training tool. The 6" barrel is good but it can be heavy for young and smaller shooters.
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That's awesome. I need another buckmark now. The only reason I didn't build one of the ones I had at the shop was that I wanted the comped trail-lite barrel, but didn't feel like pinning and welding it myself to make it legal.
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