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If building a ar pistol. Does it need to be fired first before changing the magazine and adding a gas block and tube? Or can you build it without the gas tube and with the single shot mag and then take it apart without firing and add the gastube and block?
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If you want an AR pistol, you'd probably want to register it to avoid being the test case. |
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Really sorry for even asking but isn't an AR pistol with a OAL length over a magic number technically considered an AOW? It's the only reason I bought an 11.5 barrel.... Well that and to have a carbine gas system. Do all these new crazy laws (no threaded barrels) apply to AOWs? Not super familiar with the facts. Can someone please help fill in the blanks?
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This means that a AOW AR pistol that does not fire a fixed shotgun shell and has a rifled barrel would be classified as a CA-defined pistol, since it can't be long enough to be classified as a long gun, and it can't have a stock which would classify it as a rifle or shotgun. As a CA-defined "pistol" it must follow all the same rules that apply to any other pistol, including those in the AW laws. If you wanted to make an AOW then the firearm must be less then 26" in length to be considered a pistol, a second grip must be installed, and it must not have a (federally defined) stock. You also would need to go through the steps to register it as an AOW, then comply with the marking requirements for NFA firearms. The second grip is required for it to be considered an AOW as a "handgun with a second grip" is the defining feature here. The only thing you really gain by making an AOW is the ability to add a second vertical grip, and the exemption for the "arm brace" where California can't redefine the federally-recognized "arm brace" into a stock since all correctly registered Federal AOWs are exempt from CA-defined short barreled rifle laws. Are you confused yet? Quiet will probably jump in and fill in anything I missed |
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Depending on how you interpret this, it could mean that a preassembled upper can be interpreted as having previously been part of a semi auto handgun prior to being shipped to you. If the upper wasn't manufactured by an 07 gun manufacturer I don't see how this is possible myself as anyone else isn't in the gun manufacturing business. But the law does say non compliant handguns need to be manufactured bolt action or break top and not previously semi auto. I think I got this right. |
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Under Federal laws... A firearm with a rifled less than 16" barrel length + less than 26" overall length + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Handgun A firearm with a rifled less than 16" barrel length + greater than 26" overall length + no shoulder stock = Title 1 Other A firearm with a rifled less than 16" barrel length + less than 26" overall length + no shoulder stock + vertical forward grip = Title 2 AOW Making/transferring/possessing a Title 2 AOW without BATFE approval is a Federal felony. Under CA laws... A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length is a "handgun". A firearm with a 16" or greater barrel length is a "long gun". Therefore... If the AR Pistol with 11.5" barrel has an overall length of less than 26" and it does not have a vertical forward grip, then it is considered Title 1 Handgun under Federal laws and a handgun under CA laws. If the AR Pistol with 11.5" barrel has an overall length of greater than 26" and it does not have a vertical forward grip, then it is considered a Title 1 Other under Federal laws and a handgun under CA laws. If the AR Pistol with 11.5" barrel has an overall length of less than 26" and it has a vertical forward grip, then it is considered a Title 2 AOW under Federal laws and a handgun under CA laws. Quote:
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Last edited by K_Labs; 10-15-2016 at 8:16 AM.. |
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A Title 2 AOW is exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws. Therefore... A Title 2 AOW with an arm stabilizing brace would be exempt from CA SBR/SBS laws, but it would still need to comply with Federal SBR/SBS laws/regulations (no shouldering).
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So just sell the damn thing and get a cheek rest like this?
http://www.thordsencustoms.com/ar-ak...-saddle-black/ |
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Man my head hurts after reading all of this. The lawmakers may not eventually win the war, but they're at least winning the battle with me as I'm close to doing nothing out of fear of non-compliance.
I currently own nothing and feel I need something before the end of the year. What is the suggested/preferred route based on compliance and proper protection? Handguns avoid AW registration, right? So I could go to a local store and have a 11.5" AR Pistol with an Armaglock built and be in compliance? |
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After July, 2018, the law changes for the worse. If you build an 80% lower after July 1, 2018, you must FIRST apply to the California DOJ for a serial number, pay a fee, and they will then assign a serial number that you must apply to your firearm. In this case, you can’t choose your own serial number and your serial number will be in the state government’s data base. If you want to avoid falling under this law, make sure you engrave your own serial number to your completed 80% lowers before July 2018." I'm trying to understand this plus what you're saying a legal AR Pistol is. A previously done 80 would need engraving. What would the markings consist of to make it legal? In order to make it into a AR Pistol in CA with 10.5 inch upper and either a Pistol buffer tube or Shockwave stabilizer. The barrel would need to be pin and welded with a compensator or flash hider? And overall length of barrel itself shorter than 11.5 with muzzle device or without the device? And which type would it classify as? Also would it would need a mag lock correct? |
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Any link showing that california defines a handgun as anything with a barrel less than 16 inches? From the California Firearms Laws that I've read, I understand that in California, (aside from no stock) a handgun is defined as having both ; a barrel less than 16 inches, and an OAL of less than 26 inches. If greater than 26 inches, and not drosed as a long gun or handgun ( as in made from an 80%), it is a "firearm". A firearm is not covered in California AW laws, the AW laws only apply to "long guns" , "shotguns", and "handguns". Is this correct? |
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Overall length is also used to determine what type of firearm it is... "handgun", "long gun", "other", AOW, SBR, or SBS. Under CA laws... There is no overall length requirement to determine if a firearm is a "handgun" or a "long gun", it is dependent upon barrel length. A firearm with a less than 16" barrel length is a "handgun". [PC 16530(a)] A firearm that is not defined as a "handgun" or a "machine gun" is a "long gun". [PC 16865] Penal Code 16530 (a) As used in this part, the terms “firearm capable of being concealed upon the person,” “pistol,” and “revolver” apply to and include any device designed to be used as a weapon, from which is expelled a projectile by the force of any explosion, or other form of combustion, and that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. These terms also include any device that has a barrel 16 inches or more in length which is designed to be interchanged with a barrel less than 16 inches in length. (b) Nothing shall prevent a device defined as a “firearm capable of being concealed upon the person,” “pistol,” or “revolver” from also being found to be a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun. Penal Code 16865 As used in Section 26860, “long gun” means any firearm that is not a handgun or a machinegun.
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Mass hysteria over the AR pistol thing in the run up to new years.
Do we have anything yet on if registering means a mag lock or bullet button doesn't need to be used anymore since it would join the AWs of 94 of 2004 or did they create a second lesser tear of assault weaponness that are tamed with bullet buttons? If registered then we shouldn't have to pin our compensators either right? Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk |
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The definitions for assault weapons have been established, but making it he obvious might not be the case with this state's AG/DOJ. They all just want us to smoke weed and be passified.
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Are you stating that we can remove the bullet button?
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I'm not saying it, but the current definition of an assault weapon is stated on the CA DOJ website. They can't fault us for following their definition.
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Yeah I'd screen shot the **** out of that print it on letterhead and keep it tucked into the foam sleave on your buffer tube.
The entire possibility of ditching the bullet button turns an AR pistol from a novel idea to throw money at, into a highly designed home defense rig, especially in a pistol caliber to mitigate over penetration and muzzle blast. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk |
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Anyone have a link to instruction on getting a AR pistol to become an AOW? Would be nice to avoid CA SBR issues when using a Sig Brace.
And if one registers the AR pistol as an assault weapon next year, would there be any issues it being an AOW and Assault Weapon at the same time? Which should be registered first? |
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http://daytonatactical.com/collectio...harging-handle Reading previous posts we could get our own serial # engraved prior to July 2017. So does that mean we still have until Jan 2018 to assemble our AR pistol as Single Shot, and then DROs it as such? |
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If it has built into a functional semi-auto configuration, and was designed to operate as such, I would not feel comfortable calling it anything other than semi-auto. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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So better to buy the parts and build a single shot upper. Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk |
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Yes and yes. If you want to build a bolt-action pistol (which they do make), buy the upper you want because you will not convert it. Or buy it, and change the majority of parts to be a semi. The easiest and most cost effective is to buy all the parts separately. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Also, there is no way to make an AR pistol "featureless" since, the magwell outside of the PG is a feature in and of itself. Fixed mag builds will be the legal way to do it next year.
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