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Old 11-30-2019, 12:25 PM
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Default 30-30 vs .444 vs 45/70 marlin

For fun and hunting so obviously lead free. Really wanted a .444 but haven't found a good lead free option for hunting but liked that I could shoot .44 projectiles for cheaper plinking. All distances withing 200 yards, pigs and deer. Any thoughts?
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Old 11-30-2019, 12:44 PM
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If you handload and want to plink .44s to 200, I'd load light loads in the .444.

.30WCF (.30-30) exhibits too much recoil for the ballistics it offers. Not much of a fan, although I do certainly appreciate it's tremendous! historical contribution, utility and significance. Again, I certainly do.

That said, I am presently enamored of the .45-70 which can also be loaded twenty-two ways to Sunday.

Lead free? Look to Barnes pure copper solids. I believe they offer bullets in all three calibers you mention.
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Old 11-30-2019, 12:59 PM
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.45-70 definitely more versatile than the .444.

Although .444 brass makes really nice .410 shot shells.

A .45-70 can be loaded from Mild to Wild much more so than the vast majority of calibers available. Literally small game to as big as it gets. Yes shooting a Cape Buffalo with a .45-70 is allowed and even encouraged.

Anything smaller than a 2000 lb animal is fair game. With the right bullets it even opens up that envelope to some Light Pick Up Trucks.

Not bad for a cartridge that was released to the world in 1873 (146 years ago)

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Thanks for the replies, looks like 45/70 is the best bet!
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Old 11-30-2019, 4:30 PM
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I personally don't care for 30-30; for a 30 caliber lever action I would look at a Browning BLR in 308, a used Savage 99 in 300 Savage or 308, or try one of those new Henry Long Rangers.

Otherwise, 45-70, mostly because I have the dies and it has a lot of potential to plink with Cowboy loads or make some heavy duty hunting loads.

444 could be fun to load for though. Natchez has a few lead free Barnes
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"some Light Pick Up Trucks". Gadzooks Randy, that one cracked me up. Epic!

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