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Old 10-16-2019, 10:38 PM
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Default Help with Coyote abatement in our yard and house.

Hello everyone...

Tonight while walking two working German Shepherds in the backyard of a place thatís about 3/4 acre, the dogs froze. Before long, a ďthird dogĒ was noticed in the yard - the shepherd male is about 75 lbs, the ďguestĒ looked about 4 inches taller and probably was about 90-100lbs, brightly limit by a huge LED lamp.

The coyote was in the middle of a brightly lit yard between the two dogs hanging out with a human about 20 feet away.

In seconds, there was another coyote behind the female dog. At some point in time, the male dog have chase to a third coyote who had come around - over the 4í wall, came back, and chased again. The female stayed within the property. Sheís hugely dog aggressive but for some reason she didnít go off. She chased but recalled.

Needless to say, if a pack of three coyotes feel comfortable enough coming into a back yard and stare down a human, itís not sustainable- and who knows what the true size of the pack is.

It is illegal to discharge a firearm in LA county. Somehow I think LASD said theyíre protected but clearly if you have to defense yourself by all means. What are the exceptions? Iím not talking about going full Rambo in the back of the hill, but rather dealing with the bull crap from within the property.

This does not look like it will be a single puppy chase but rather the pack claims the house or the house claims the pack.

What do all yíall do?

Airgun (is a full blown high caliber Benjamin the way to go?)
Some sort of ruger 22? Alternatives?

I could play the crossbow game but while I shoot comfortably at 500/1000 yards (and this was really a 20í distance), I donít trust myself on the accuracy with a crossbow when things go down. I could put a bead between the eyes or in the lung or heart at long distances - an arrow? Ugh Iíd feel incompetent.

Any and all GOOD or experienced advice appreciated.

The idea of providing dinner to a pack of coyotes by way of very pricey, very trained working dogs doesnít work for me. I wouldnít even begin to know how to train the dogs to hunt coyote, let alone the odds they would succeed as these two adults are retired.

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I’d play the crossbow game

Put a red dot scope and flashlight on it and start practicing.
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Old 10-17-2019, 4:22 AM
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Missing info. In city or rural. And no coyote in ca is 90-100 lbs and bigger than a shepherd. In any case I would wack the coyotes with a pellet gun and shut up about it if in city. If Rural use a shotgun if no neighbors and toss in dumpster behind K mart. That's what I di several years back when one went after my cat.
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Old 10-17-2019, 5:31 AM
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If hunting coyotes with an arrow or bolt you have to be 1/4 mile from another residence or have permission from them. (In AZ))
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^^ No beaches in AZ. This is ca thread who cares what happens in az/(LOL) \Here it is 150 yards.
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^^ No beaches in AZ. This is ca thread who cares what happens in az/(LOL) \Here it is 150 yards.
Yes I’m in CA too. Just not sure about the regulations for archery in CA. Just a general heads up to check CA regulations. 150 yards and probably no option on getting permission from your neighbors like AZ.

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The dog is definitely 75 lbs. The ***** is definitely about 50. The middle coyote was definitely taller than the male dog at 6 yards.

Lasd was advised as was fish and wildlife who apparently is using traps.

3 coyotes in the yard next to your two dogs? Yeah no. Thatís way beyond my comfort zone. Happy to celebrate puppies rummaging garbage....away...eating rodents...away...that close? Nope.

It sounds like arrows are out. Canít trap. Canít lure. Firearms not allowed.

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Missing info. In city or rural. And no coyote in ca is 90-100 lbs and bigger than a shepherd. In any case I would wack the coyotes with a pellet gun and shut up about it if in city. If Rural use a shotgun if no neighbors and toss in dumpster behind K mart. That's what I di several years back when one went after my cat.

Yeah donít dump it behind Kmart in a dumpster unless you wanna be on the news. Just think about it. Cameras everywhere these days. Donít forget about that lady in the Palm Springs area who dumped puppies in a dumpster. All on camera and did jail time I think.
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Diamond bar.

The dog is definitely 75 lbs. The ***** is definitely about 50. The middle coyote was definitely taller than the male dog at 6 yards.

Lasd was advised as was fish and wildlife who apparently is using traps.

3 coyotes in the yard next to your two dogs? Yeah no. Thatís way beyond my comfort zone. Happy to celebrate puppies rummaging garbage....away...eating rodents...away...that close? Nope.

It sounds like arrows are out. Canít trap. Canít lure. Firearms not allowed.

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If you just saw them one time I wouldnít worry much. Chances of them attacking your dogs are super slim anyway. Theyíre looking for easy meals. Small dogs and cats. If they keep coming back to your yard, just handle it.
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I have heard that if you take a piss in your yard, the urine smell keeps them away. Maybe it is an old wise take, but I never gave coyote or raccoon problems in my yard and my neighbors do

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Most counties have an exception to their discharging of a firearm code that allows for the discharge for the purposes of defending life or property from a wild predator animal, (coyote).
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Remington makes the "Cbee" a quiet .22. It's only a 33gr projectile, so not ideal for medium game, however I have found it to be effective on coyotes with a well-placed shot. Out of a bolt-action rifle it is a pretty quiet round - about the same as a good air rifle.

They are also accurate. I get a one-inch group with about a 2.5" drop at 50 yards (25-yard zero) . In a city setting on 3/4 acre you'd need to be sure of your backstop.

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The dog is definitely 75 lbs. The ***** is definitely about 50. The middle coyote was definitely taller than the male dog at 6 yards.
Shoot the bastard and get it mounted cause you would've likely killed a state record coyote.

Coyotes average 20-45 lbs. The largest recorded coyote killed was barely 75 lbs.

I'd bet a lot of money that neither was any where near 75#'s

Not that it really matters, but I just cringe at the misinformation that people spread.
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Old 10-17-2019, 8:32 AM
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A 75 lb shepherd is not really that big. My GSPs weigh that much. The only way a coyote could be anywhere near that size is if it was a hybrid, sometimes called a coydog - and around here that would be big news. Coyotes in SoCal are lanky and tend to look bigger than they are. I see them all the time.
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Coyotes, on average, aren't stupid (exceptions abound, of course). They want easy meals. If they have to work for it, they usually move on. If you're talking about a squealing toddler, I'd be much more worried. But a couple of full-size GS have little to fear. Keep them behind a fence at night and they won't go wandering off on their own to even allow a coyote pack to get them.

Keep in mind that coyotes in packs are just a seasonal thing. By Feb/March, they'll be denning up in pairs. But in this time of year, they work together to find carcasses, gut piles and, on occasion, hunt for easy prey like fawns. They are known for being curious but also very cautious about engagement of something that might get them hurt.

If you can't shoot a firearm, then you legally can't shoot an airgun or a bow either. A small caliber airgun is quiet (not the big bores). But they have a very limited range for something of that size. Same with archery gear. Neither has the same killing effectiveness of a firearm. A bow, crossbow, air gun, muzzleloader and handgun all tend to kill by damaging vital organs. What makes most rifles so darned effective is that secondary wound channel from the supersonic shockwave that damages organs beyond what the bullet itself hits. It's the difference between a .22 squirrel gun and a .223 coyote gun. Archery gear is quiet and highly lethal but animals rarely drop where they stand. Same with airguns unless you're taking very precise shots from close ranges with relaxed animals. That's not really the grab your gun from the fireplace and protect the dogs kind of situation.

My advice is to beef up your fencing. Coyotes are just part of the landscape. If you can CCW, then take it with you while working the dogs outside the fencing. But otherwise, they'll probably move on.
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Old 10-17-2019, 9:06 AM
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Don’t use arrows. If it runs off and dies some tree hugger will post a gruesome photo in the paper. A pellet gun should work fine. Of course check the legality.
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A subsonic .22 with the tip of barrel recessed inside of the house/window is pretty quiet on the outside. Just saying.
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I've always been of the belief that you can probably get away with a single shot. Make it count. This assumes your town doesn't have the shot spotter systems set up in your vicinity.
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On the fencing idea, I setup an easy electric fence for a bee yard last spring. The whole thing cost me about $350 -- $200 of that was just the solar energizer. It has enough kick to keep out bears. Granted, it's a small yard and only 2 wires high. But switch to electric netting and you have something good enough to keep out foxes AND to keep your dogs from leaving the yard until you open the gate. I'm guessing for less than $1k, you can fence in well over an acre of space. I believe the energizer I have can operate over 25 miles of fencing. Coyotes wouldn't even be much of a problem with chickens in that kind of setup, let alone a couple of big dogs.

Cost-wise, a decent .25 airgun or even a big bore will run you $500 at a bare minimum (rifle and hand pump). Big bores and more powerful air rifles will require air tanks to recharge and are even more expensive. So you're looking at $1k anyway. I wouldn't bother with the magnum spring loaders for coyotes. While a well-placed shot inside of 30 yards will hold enough power, you're going to need optics and mastery of the artillery hold to give yourself sub 1" groups with the rifle. And magnum springers/piston rifles often can't hold scopes on them very well. Case in point, I have a fine Gamo rifle that shoots well & has more power than my .22 marauder pistol. But it has a huge gash down the top of the receiver where the scope stop pin tore its way through. The scope is fine and now sits on my .22 Hatsan. But the Gamo receiver wasn't tough enough to deal with the scope on it with all the power that piston was putting out. I shoot it open sights now and it's been fine ever since but only as a 20-yard max gun. All that to say that a cheap breakbarrel .25 isn't going to get you much of a real-world hunting tool. To have any sort of hope of a reliable and quiet hunting weapon, you're going to have to invest some cash in the project. And if you're going to do that, you might as well just get the fencing & call it a day.
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No trapping and relocating coyotes here. Only euthanizing.
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I'd get a collarum trap and some sort of long call and make post set with the scent. Wait a few days and setup the collarum and you'll have a yote in the trap. Now dispose of it how you wish
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Most counties have an exception to their discharging of a firearm code that allows for the discharge for the purposes of defending life or property from a wild predator animal, (coyote).

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Even protected species like Mt Lions are fair game if killed in self defense. Which is totally different from actively "hunting".

OP's location "By the Beach" and stated as LA Cnty. Means he is also within city limits.

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A single shot is usually not reported or is mistaken for a backfire, firecracker etc.

Have three GSD's in our yard. Being very rural see coyotes all the time. They avoid our yard. Be pretty grim for them if they came over the fence.

You can also bing them with a wrist rocket. Should not kill or seriously hurt them but it will make them skittish of your yard.
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I've seen 1,000 coyotes in my day....never one over 50#.....but who knows, somebody could be force feeding those buggers.

I think the .22 from inside the house is your best bet...but check your backstop.

The problem is all of the best solutions- hotdogs with antifreeze or snares will probably catch something unintended.
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Thank you all for all your answers. Some updates:

- donít live by the beach anymore - this is diamond bar.

- the city contracts with agriculture to survey and trap. Theyíve been super great so far

- the dog is definitely 75 lbs. the animal was taller. Lankier? Longer legs? Ok, canít comment on weight but taller. The dogs are sable so the coloring of coyotes and the dogs wasnt horribly different.

- the yard has a hill going up as a back stop - only two neighbors, left and right. The pack lives up the hill

- went behind the wall yesterday. Sure enough a few regular animal trails, no human footsteps, and a few flat areas by the low walls where they land surrounded by higher debris. This is a regular hangout.

- have scuba tanks so a fill doesnt Incur added expense for an air gun

- the sides of the house are irregular since it is on a hill, so the walls and fencing are 5-6í in places and a foot in others. Gotta work on it.

- The dogs competed in French and mondio ring. When the first coyote fled, it jumped over a 3í wall. The dog followed and cleared it as he hurdles hundreds of times before. The male jumps over a 9í straight up wall no problem. A 6í tall fence May help in changing the dogs context and keep them from giving chase

- I spoke with LASD watch commander and we discussed the process of discharging in the backyard while calling 911 so when people roll code they know whatís up. There is an exception that the county will honor when defending life or property from wildlife, with consideration to the backstop (the hill). The adjacent house in the left is about 12-15í higher

- electrified fencing is a good idea. I have 22 235w solar panels with super high efficiency I havenít used though Iím sure the fencing has its own solar panel - Iíll research it.

- some of the dogs were trained with hotdogs so ethylene glycol dogs are a no go

-until the fencing goes up, trapping or food are a non starter

- another coyote seen this morning next door 20í away

- waiting for agriculture to call and show up to survey and trap

- 22s are an option. Iíll check cbee or Ńguila subsonic rounds. I have a 10/22 that may do the trick

- gotta fins out about the legality of trapping and luring /calling- the property goes behind the wall

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I would double check that assumption with City Hall!

Typically "electric cattle fencers" are GTG in unincorporated county areas. If used for the purpose of keeping your own stock contained.

But verboten within city limits for exclusion of intruders. Even predatory animals.

IMHO, since legal to do so defensively. I would go the .22 route. Since the layout of your yard allows safely doing so.

Yotes laugh at 6' walls. And are often seen walking the tops while looking down into yards for victims.
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Yotes laugh at 6' walls. And are often seen walking the tops while looking down into yards for victims.
There are roller devices you can put on top of a wall that defeats their efforts to get over it.
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I've seen 1,000 coyotes in my day....never one over 50#.....but who knows, somebody could be force feeding those buggers.

I think the .22 from inside the house is your best bet...but check your backstop.

The problem is all of the best solutions- hotdogs with antifreeze or snares will probably catch something unintended.
Is that your bull in your avatar? We've gotta hear the story on that one...
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Yeah donít dump it behind Kmart in a dumpster unless you wanna be on the news. Just think about it. Cameras everywhere these days. Donít forget about that lady in the Palm Springs area who dumped puppies in a dumpster. All on camera and did jail time I think.
3/4 acre dig a hole now so you can just fill it up after the yote falls in.
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Coyotes are not protected, where people get that idea I donít know
Pellet gun is fine, wounded ones become dinner for their buddies shortly
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But if you wound it, and if it is with it's litter mate, pack, or mate, it will holler so loud that if you can't reshoot it to shut it up that you will get busted.
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Apparently yotes arť as protected in some ways as illegal as illegal immigrants.

You need a trapping license...hmmmm...or a hunting license depending on method. Long chat with fish and wildlife today.

Rollers May be interesting.

Fish and wildlife doesnít get involved unless a human is bitten. Agriculture gets involved first.

I considered subsonic rounds but for many reasons I thought Iíd go with regular (non lead, Geezus) rounds. I was amused and annoyed to go through the instant background check to get ammo. gawd I hate this state...

The only trap allows is a cage trap...unless youíre a licensed trapper.

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Remington makes the "Cbee" a quiet .22. It's only a 33gr projectile, so not ideal for medium game, however I have found it to be effective on coyotes with a well-placed shot. Out of a bolt-action rifle it is a pretty quiet round - about the same as a good air rifle.

They are also accurate. I get a one-inch group with about a 2.5" drop at 50 yards (25-yard zero) . In a city setting on 3/4 acre you'd need to be sure of your backstop.

Haven't been able to find any of them in years they are quieter than my pellet rifle .
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Plenty of subsonic .22's nowadays. From CCI 40gr Quiet to 29gr CB longs and shorts.

Hit 'em in the guts and let 'em run off.

But ya...75+# yotes? Ummm....nah.
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You should never ever have your wife stand in the yard while you shoot at a safe target by the fence with a .22LR from inside the house.

This would be wrong if she even noticed.

See if she notices.... no, that's not right. See if she doesn't notice.

That's probably wrong too.

Anyway it's an answer.... probably the wrong answer.

You got a shovel?
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Pellet gun lead ok all firearms non lead.
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Old 10-20-2019, 2:17 PM
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Apparently yotes arť as protected in some ways as illegal as illegal immigrants.

You need a trapping license...hmmmm...or a hunting license depending on method. Long chat with fish and wildlife today.

Rollers May be interesting.

Fish and wildlife doesnít get involved unless a human is bitten. Agriculture gets involved first.

I considered subsonic rounds but for many reasons I thought Iíd go with regular (non lead, Geezus) rounds. I was amused and annoyed to go through the instant background check to get ammo. gawd I hate this state...

The only trap allows is a cage trap...unless youíre a licensed trapper.

Another coyote spotted - guess itís on....


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When I said totes arenít protected, I meant to say no limit or season with a valid license
Sorry for mistake
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