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Well I got my packet in Dec, waited till I got all my letters and stuff together (stupid I know) Called yesterday, they said they are making appointment for next year and will call me.... Man that is going to be a long wait... What if I change jobs during that time??? do I have to reapply??
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The current long wait time is due to budgetary/manpower concerns within SBSD that have caused them to reduce the CCW staff to one person.
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I don’t know for sure if it would go down that way but luck values the prepared.
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I was wondering the same thing. I just took the class. As far as I know that was the last step (?), so I am guessing the next thing is to receive the card. I am happy to wait patiently, but still wonder how long that might take.
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Mine took about 1-1/2 month after my class.
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Thanks Doc. That helps me to not go crazy in anticipation
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It'll show up one day soon, try not to fret. |
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FYI Adding a Firearm to your Permit
They do a great job with the staff they have.
I would like to throw a little FYI out there though, be sure to bring every firearm you want on your permit with you to the class to qualify the first time. Its bit of a PITA to add one after the fact if you don’t live in SBD. IMHO even if the firearm(s) you own my not be completely practical for concealed carry you might as well get it on the permit and change it later as your budget permits. As the old saying goes “it’s better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it” To add you now have to qualify with that firearm first. Not a problem. I would make your appointment with the range and get signed off on it first. Then take your approval (student copy) into the SBSO and pay your $24 dollars, have your firearm ran through the system and do the paperwork (pretty painless and in one trip). You may have to wait up to 6 weeks for your new permit with the added firearm(s). After your permit is ready you will have to surrender your old permit in person or by mail (so you will be without the ability to carry till the new amended permit arrives if you do the mail option). I live in the high desert and the round trip for me is about 130 miles so I had to make the trip twice as I did what I recommended in reverse, so make the qualifying appointment first as it might take a week or so to fit you in depending on the schedule. I heard from Bruce that they are working on making one day a week available just for this. They are short staffed so we all need to stay patient. (Thank you State of Kalifornia and prison overpopulation)
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I know, it’s like Christmas when you where a kid. You know what you’re getting but you can’t play with till the magic day………..
Hahahahahahahaahah………… Check out this thread as well, good food for thought…… http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=514459
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This is all very good info to have. It's great knowing what to expect from the process.
With that in mind, I got a DUI when I was in college. I have since graduated and been working full time for over 3 years as an engineer. Is this an automatic DQ or can I apply and hope that everything else balances this out? Thanks all. |
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And the reply I got... "We thought you already carried one!" So much for secrecy.
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For me it would be one county department to another, wonder how that would go? o_O
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Hence the reason I can't apply. HR Dept. at my work is said to be very anti.
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Legally they can do nothing, but they have been known to make things "difficult" for employees that they don't like. I don't want to have to deal with that and I have too much time invested to go to work somewhere else. Not worth it for me at this time, but I'm on the fence right now. I may just apply and go from there. If work creates issues for me after the fact, maybe I'll get a lawyer and retire early.
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Fire you. With no recourse.
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This just seems wrong.. Your HR department can fire you for trying to exercise your rights? Would they fire you for attending the "wrong" political rally too? Ugh.. Makes me happy I'm self-employed
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I was nervous what my 70 year old HR lady would do.
Apparently, she just did what the letter asked and "verified employement." In reality...what else was appropraiate for her to do? The letter doesnt say you will be using it at work. It just says you applied for a permit. Its none of their business when you plan on exersizing the right to carry. |
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I work for a community college, a.k.a - hot bed of liberalism. When the HR dept. was notified of my CCW intentions, I received a copy of the Faculty Handbook with the section about firearms on campus highlighted.
I was surprised that was all they did. I expected a bigger hassle.
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The reaction from your employer depends on quite a few different circumstances. Is the company you work for large or small? A smaller company is less likely to have a dedicated HR department to complete these forms, and the form may just end up on the owner's desk. At a larger company, HR may simply receive the form, complete it, and send it back without the owner/CEO even being notified.
The bottom line, however, is going to be the "gun-friendliness" of whomever sees that piece of paper with your name on it. In a worst case scenario, you could potentially be fired if your company/boss is not 2A friendly. Of course, you probably wouldn't be fired just for applying for the CCW (that would be probably be a slam-dunk case if they did), but if they're anti and don't like having a "gun-nut" in their midst, they'll find some legitimate reason to get rid of you. Probably more likely, though, is that their anti-2a sentiments will start influencing their decisions in regards to you and your employment. To the people at your employer that know about your ccw application, you'll always be "the guy that wants to carry a gun"...which as we know, not everyone understands or appreciates. Does that mean you may get passed up on for a promotion? Possibly. Will it change your interactions with these people socially? Possibly. If they're gun-unfriendly, you can be sure that it will influence their opinion of you in some way, shape, or form...and probably not for the better. With the state of economy the way it is right now, and the prospects of finding alternate employment so poor, it's an extremely difficult step to take for many of us. |
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Driving back and forth to the ONE location in a county the size of San Bernardino can be a REAL hardship. There are parts of the county that are a 4 hour drive to the location where you have to go in order to pick up your new license. Once is bad, twice is just ridiculous. It has been sad to watch this once very pro-ccw department start to slide. Just silly. |
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Any comments from those who have been through the process on how a DUI is viewed? It isn't a firearms related infraction, but I know it is sometimes a dis-qualifier for other things. Again, it has been over 3 years and it happened while in college.
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Generally yes it is a dis-qualifier. The more time between the occurrence and application the better. The people who I have spoken with who have been successful with a DUI on their record have had more than 15 years of clean record between then and now. I wouldn't advise anybody against applying, but your odds are very slim.
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Please clarify things for me. I work for a LARGE California university. We have a huge faceless HR department. My immediate supervisor is EXTREMELY anti 2A. If the sheriff contacts my HR dept, Im good with that. Like I said, they are huge and faceless. If the contact my immediate supervisor, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out of his way to purposely tank my chances of getting a LTC. So do they contact HR, or my immediate supervisor, or both?
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One unique occasion where the faceless state machinery came in handy!
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Mark 16:16 Last edited by WASR10; 04-12-2012 at 11:30 AM.. |
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That is awesome news!! I was stressed because I know how anti my supervisor is; I could care less if if our HR dept knows. |
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I know SBSD are shifting a lot of personal around to cover the over crowding in the jail system or so I was told. It is what it is but would be nice to be able to take care of everything with one day off and in one trip. Especially when I get a whopping 16 miles per gallon.
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I don't know if this is a POST requirement, but its not a bad idea... I'll admit that I own guns that I don't shoot as well as I would like...
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San Bernardino is enforcing unlawful requirements. They are also collecting a lot of money and not performing the services that money serves to provide for.
If anyone is denied or suffers delay or monetary damages because of the unlawful policies and practices of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office, please email me at bcombs at calgunsfoundation dot org. -Brandon Quote:
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It took longer to get from the range office to the range then it did to shoot/reload/shoot……. Hahahahahahaahah...............
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I would suggest that you to get more training and practice with your firearms before you decide to carry them, but beyond a basic ability to handle your firearm safely (ie: keep it pointed in a safe direction, knowing what makes it go bang and that you can function the controls while still keeping it pointed in a safe direction) the sheriff is overstepping his bounds in attempting to place these requirements on civilians not employed by his department. |
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I agree with your training comment, I have trained quite a bit with a few different instructors. (the most enlightening was force on force, the most challenging was low light) I don't know how many firearms you own, and you don't know how many I own. But, once you have accumulated a large number of them, I expect that you will find that there are some that you just don't shoot as well as others. I don't shoot a Sig P225 as well as I shoot a P226, P228, P229... I don't shoot a S&W 39 series as well as I shoot a S&W 59 series... 1911's are always a pleasure to shoot, and fairly easy to shoot well... Glock model 21 grip is a little too large to be comfortable, but they are reliable and some people love that design. I don't shoot a S&W J frame as well as I shoot a S&W K, L, or N frame...( Even the 2" K frames)
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Previously the Sheriff's dept in San Bernardino County required an applicant to shoot one of the listed guns a total of 10 rounds that required a reload during the process for an unscored course of fire. The purpose of this course of fire was for you to demonstrate a minimum level of competence and safety with the weapon. The instructor watched the shooter, not the target. If you kept your weapon pointed in a safe direction, fired your rounds safely, reloaded without pointing your weapon in an unsafe direction and handled your weapon in a safe manner even after you completed your course of fire, you passed. Afterwards it was suggested that you get further training. To me, that is the extent of the Sheriff's responsibility. In my class there was an elderly gentleman who was using a walker following surgery. In a friends class there was a woman whose previous experience with firearms had only been with other people shooting her with them. One of the deputies spent quite a bit of time helping her get comfortable with her gun. Should they not be able to defend themselves because they haven't demonstrated an ability to the Sheriff to shoot like Dirty Harry? To me, minimum level of competency is showing safe handling skills and showing that you are not going to accidentally shoot somebody, beyond that you are on your own to get training and if you fail in that you are on the hook legally if you act in a negligent manner. Many other states require no live fire qualification for their CCWs, why should we? Why should we attempt to throw up barriers to good people having the capability to protect themselves? For the record, the state of California has no requirement to have ANY live fire training for the CCW process. |
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