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Old 06-05-2020, 4:11 PM
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Just recently got into skeet/trap/clays and I've been using my berreta 1301 comp with 24" barrel. With the chokes and setup I have (3gun setup), it does the job fine. I don't see a reason for change, just been noticing everyone shooting skeet/trap/clays that they've all got over/unders.

Is there something I'm missing with over/unders? Are Over/Unders that much better or is it just an aesthetics thing?
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It is like a cultural thing if you do not use $$$$$ gun you are not a real shooter.
Think Toyota vs Lexus, vs Mercedes vs Ferary. All of them do their job done very well but the higher price for your toy, the higher society you get accepted.
Ones i saw a guy with Mos500 embarrass a bunch of gizzards in 5 stand. I think the cheapest gun gizzards had was more than $20K. All of them were high-grade custom build tools.
It pissed them off big time.
But i have to admit, it is a pure joy to hold in the hand such thing, let alone own and use it.


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Agree with the above poster, a lot if it has to do with status. O/U’s are also advantageous especially with sporting clays because of the 2 different chokes.
I personally went from shooting my dads old Citori to a Remington Versamax. I just shoot the semi better and the reduced recoil is an added benefit.
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Something about getting that over under makes you feel like you are part of the tribe.

I also feel like when you miss with a cheap gun you are judged differently than when you have a nice gun.
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You don’t have to pick up shells with an o/u. Just catch them and put them in your belt/vest.
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Old 06-05-2020, 8:13 PM
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Itís a combination of factors, one of which is preference.

Thereís reliability, the ability to run two different constrictions at once, feel, build, etc.

Some people love them and are willing to shell out the funds for a decent, or a really nice one. But remember, itís not always the gun. Sure, one gun may provide a better competitive advantage to some degree, especially if the gun fits the shooter better, or if the shooter just flat out clicks with it.

I generally run a Beretta auto of some sort. My doubles trap guns are pumps (870 and model 12 trap guns.) the O/Us sit in the safe most of the time.

Do I feel outclassed? Nope. But my scores reflect practice and effort rather than what type of gun Iím running.

I say, ďrun what ya brung.Ē

Plus, at the comp level, if there are autos, youíll probably see almost all Berettas.
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Old 06-05-2020, 8:18 PM
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Just recently got into skeet/trap/clays and I've been using my berreta 1301 comp with 24" barrel. With the chokes and setup I have (3gun setup), it does the job fine. I don't see a reason for change, just been noticing everyone shooting skeet/trap/clays that they've all got over/unders.

Is there something I'm missing with over/unders? Are Over/Unders that much better or is it just an aesthetics thing?
OP. FWIW, I was in the same thinking when I started competing. I really didn't understand what the big deal was about O/Us UNTIL I started shooting them which then I ended up getting a Perazzi. Once I got the Perazzi I realized the finer details of why people who compete use them in my experience. First the trigger: I have shot several O/U including Blaser, Beretta, Krieghoff, and others, and there is no trigger like a Perazzi. Others may have a different opinion, but the triggers are amazing. Second the balance: Swinging a shotgun 200 times a day becomes pretty exhausting. If you have a balanced shotgun that works for you it makes a huge difference in your followup shots and stamina for the competition.

I realize I'm talking about a particular brand, but in general there is a common quality with an O/U produced by a handful of companies that IMO are constantly competing against each other to become the standard. Because of that, us shooters are the winners.

I know speaking like this may mean nothing to you as I am a sample size of ONE, but hopefully others will chime in who also compete and/or shoot a lot who would more likely agree that O/Us feel more comfortable from several standpoints compared to a semi auto. It's not JUST a status symbol IMO.
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Old 06-05-2020, 8:58 PM
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^^^^Well said.

Sometimes, itís just the day...

I donít compete. Iíve gone out and hit
25/25 with an old Russian Baikal SxS.
Then gone out, and canít hit 18 with a nice O/U.

Just keep going out. If catch a serious virus, go out and spend some money. Enjoy every second!
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You donít have to pick up shells with an o/u. Just catch them and put them in your belt/vest.
Growing up I shot, and competed with a semi auto. My dad reloads, so I used to have to pick up all the hulls.

I started shooting O/U just because of that in high school. Haven't stopped.
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O/U advantages:
2 different chokes
Faster 2nd shot
If you reload, you don't have to chase your shells around
Swing better and better balanced
RELIABILITY

A quality O/U will need very little maintenence and parts compared with a semi if you shoot a lot. Less moving parts, less things to break, etc.
Semi's are fine for casual shooters. If you shoot clays a whole lot you will want an O/U eventually IMO.

I used to use a Rem 1100 semi-auto. Shot it until it broke. Got it fixed. Shot it until it broke again. Then got a Beretta O/U ("entry level" Silver Pigeon). Have shot 10 times as much as the semi and not a single hiccup. I'm sure it would be different with a higher quality semi like a Beretta A400, but still more moving parts and things to break.

Just my opinion. I'm sure more guys with a lot more experience will comment like FecalGuns who shoots a TON of sporting clays.


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OP. FWIW, I was in the same thinking when I started competing. I really didn't understand what the big deal was about O/Us UNTIL I started shooting them which then I ended up getting a Perazzi. Once I got the Perazzi I realized the finer details of why people who compete use them in my experience. First the trigger: I have shot several O/U including Blaser, Beretta, Krieghoff, and others, and there is no trigger like a Perazzi. Others may have a different opinion, but the triggers are amazing. Second the balance: Swinging a shotgun 200 times a day becomes pretty exhausting. If you have a balanced shotgun that works for you it makes a huge difference in your followup shots and stamina for the competition.

I realize I'm talking about a particular brand, but in general there is a common quality with an O/U produced by a handful of companies that IMO are constantly competing against each other to become the standard. Because of that, us shooters are the winners.

I know speaking like this may mean nothing to you as I am a sample size of ONE, but hopefully others will chime in who also compete and/or shoot a lot who would more likely agree that O/Us feel more comfortable from several standpoints compared to a semi auto. It's not JUST a status symbol IMO.
Great.... now I want a Perazzi!
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You donít have to pick up shells with an o/u. Just catch them and put them in your belt/vest.
Extractor is easy

For ejector, needs some practice
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A quality O/U will need very little maintenence and parts compared with a semi if you shoot a lot. Less moving parts, less things to break, etc.
Semi's are fine for casual shooters. If you shoot clays a whole lot you will want an O/U eventually IMO.
Good point. I still shoot Skeet with a 40yr Browning O/U. Hunt with it, too.
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Just recently got into skeet/trap/clays and I've been using my berreta 1301 comp with 24" barrel. With the chokes and setup I have (3gun setup), it does the job fine. I don't see a reason for change, just been noticing everyone shooting skeet/trap/clays that they've all got over/unders.

Is there something I'm missing with over/unders? Are Over/Unders that much better or is it just an aesthetics thing?
If you're just starting then just use your 24" gun, there's no need to jump into it! How much shooting you'll do is a huge factor and knowing how a shotgun should fit takes some learning.

Try as many guns as you could get your hands on!
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When I started shooting clays I already had a semi-auto and a pump (didn't shoot either that much). I learned very quickly that I didn't really like the SA ( too light and whippy for me)and the pump sucked for quick doubles. I bought a cheap O/U and it taught me what I needed to know. I now shoot a Zoli, not a cheap gun, but not super expensive either.
If I would have started out with the Zoli, I would be many $$$ ahead at this point.
Live, learn, grow...Shoot what you have, borrow/rent other guns, you will learn what you want/need in a clays gun...Then buy it, even if it costs more than you want to spend, you'll end up $$$ ahead in the end.
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I shoot both o/u and a semi, They both have there place, And on any given day if I am on I can shoot both very well, You can find many responses here, But a lot is personnel preference, Try them both and see.
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You don't have to spend a lot of money on an over/under.
I have a Stoeger 12 Gauge Condor Competition Over/Under Shotgun and did no worse than the people using their high end over/unders.
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Have a trap Beretta 391 and use a shell catcher. No bending over

Also like O/U.
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They look pretty, just like me

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Just picked up a CZ Redhead Premier for trap and upland bird
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If a competitive shooter, you want the durability/reliability of a breech loader.

It's human nature to desire the tools of the accomplished.

My most costly shotguns are Beretta 682's. Beretta's "entry level" competition shotgun. Not all that expensive even in their day and they've won a lot of tourneys.

A lot of task based engineering goes into higher grade O/U's. Of course there's a lot of "pretty" (functional art) available.

Guaranteed to add 3 birds to your score. You can't shoot a 28 with an auto.
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As mentioned...a lot of it is how you feel about what you are using. Some of it is the gun...

I always wanted an O/U...got one and love it. I like shooting semi auto as well...but I like having two choke sizes and love the breaking of the gun while shooting and the process of reloading...there is a pattern I like getting ready to shoot.

Shoot what you got...try different makes and models. You can rent them at many places as well...
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Just recently got into skeet/trap/clays and I've been using my berreta 1301 comp with 24" barrel...

Is there something I'm missing with over/unders? Are Over/Unders that much better or is it just an aesthetics thing?
When you are "D" class it doesn't make much of a difference. As you move up you might want a better tool to use. Also, if you are going to be shooting a lot, then you might want a bit more durable shotgun. O/U sporting shotguns are more durable and are designed for heavy use.

Finally, on an O/U you can have two different chokes one for closer targets and the other for far targets.
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I have been shooting trap and skeet since the late 70's. I have noticed that those who only shoot those courses, will eventually transition to an over under. I shoot to maintain my bird shooting skills, so I use the same shotgun I use in the field, which is a semi auto.
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Just picked up a CZ Redhead Premier for trap and upland bird
Those are very good guns! I have a 20 gauge and my buddy has a 28 gauge, both fun to shoot.
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