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Old 05-29-2019, 2:53 AM
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Anyone have a line on a compensator for a handgun (glock 17 specifically) that attaches in a way other than the threaded barrel? CA law prohibits a threaded barrel and I'd like to put a compensator on my next build...
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Old 05-29-2019, 3:36 AM
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Check out https://darkhourdefense.com. They make a compensated Glock stand off devices that attaches using the rail.
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If it’s not attached to the barrel it won’t do anything to mitigate recoil.

Having the barrel/slide ported would be your best bet, you also could keep an eye out for a (now discontinued) Glock C series that is factory ported.
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Why not permanently attach a comp to a threaded barrel?

Disassemble gun
Install threaded barrel
Install and time brake

Have machinist or Randall pin and weld the pin

Assemble slide onto gun?
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If it’s not attached to the barrel it won’t do anything to mitigate recoil.

Having the barrel/slide ported would be your best bet, you also could keep an eye out for a (now discontinued) Glock C series that is factory ported.
yea all i could come up with is one of them old federal ord extended barrels with the two ports that looked like they were made with a chainsaw file
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If it’s not attached to the barrel it won’t do anything to mitigate recoil.

Having the barrel/slide ported would be your best bet, you also could keep an eye out for a (now discontinued) Glock C series that is factory ported.

This my first experience with a comp, but for what it's worth I noticed a difference with the dark hour mounted on a Gen 3 G19... maybe it's just the added weight. I also considered a permanent barrel & comp or porting the barrel & slide, but each option had its downside.

OP - I shoot at On Target in OC, send me a PM if you want to check one out in person.
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Didn't Strike Industries make one as well? It attached via a special recoil spring rod...

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Didn't Strike Industries make one as well? It attached via a special recoil spring rod...

Dan

Last I checked SI would only work on Gen4 and the Gen3 version was in development, but it looks really nice.
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Wouldn't a comp attached with set screws to a dimpled barrel work? It might even be better since it wouldn't have to be indexed.

This doesn't exist as far as I know.
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Wouldn't a comp attached with set screws to a dimpled barrel work? It might even be better since it wouldn't have to be indexed.

This doesn't exist as far as I know.
Between Dr. Dremel and HF, somebody can make this happen. Start with an extended barrel and go nuts from there. The comp thingy on my Oly Arms 10mm upper is set screw attached.
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This my first experience with a comp, but for what it's worth I noticed a difference with the dark hour mounted on a Gen 3 G19...
I've put quite a few rounds through my GSOD and I definitely notice a decrease in muzzle flip. I had one of the early model GSOD's, and Dark Hour Defense sent me a complimentary upgrade. I'm happy with both the product and company.
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Maybe an extended and ported barrel?
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If it’s not attached to the barrel it won’t do anything to mitigate recoil.

Having the barrel/slide ported would be your best bet, you also could keep an eye out for a (now discontinued) Glock C series that is factory ported.
Let me disagree with you. Did you see Sig P220 Sport with Comp? It is not attached to the barrel and it is very effective. I used own one of those-very effective comp.

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Old 09-17-2019, 11:46 AM
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Hey guys! I just wanted to jump on here and let you know about a project of mine. I'm trying to get this threadless compensator made but need help getting it funded! I currently own a non firearm related company and this is just a pet project as someone who wants this for myself haha. Anyway I hope it's okay I'm posting this here I just wanted to tell you guys about this thing and hopefully we can drum up enough support to make it a reality! Let me know if you have any questions about it and I'd be happy to go over it in more detail.

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Why not permanently attach a comp to a threaded barrel?

Disassemble gun
Install threaded barrel
Install and time brake

Have machinist or Randall pin and weld the pin

Assemble slide onto gun?
Most plastic guns are field-stripped by pulling muzzle through the slide. A permanently attached compensator would prevent this process and even replacement of the recoil spring without removing the compensator.

OP wants it on Glock 17, so it will require the ability to remove the compensator, regardless of how it's implemented.

For comparison, a 1911/2011 is field-stripped by removing the barrel bushing and pulling the *breech* of the barrel through the slide. This allows for proper and permanently attached compensator that doesn't require threads or any other type of non-permanent connection.
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Weapons Armament Research used to make this and claimed it was CA compliant.
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum...MPENSATOR-quot

They now make this but its speendy
https://weaponsarmamentresearch.com/...ner-wide-body/
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Strike Industries has one.

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Old 09-17-2019, 1:49 PM
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Strike's is cool but it's only for the gen 4 so that's off roster. This compensator works on gen 3s and is a non-threaded barrel. Also only about $200 with the barrel included.

https://forbiddentactical.com/products/fti-comp







This is just a mock up obviously but the prototype is completely designed and ready to be produced. Just need the funds to start producing it.
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Most plastic guns are field-stripped by pulling muzzle through the slide. A permanently attached compensator would prevent this process and even replacement of the recoil spring without removing the compensator.

OP wants it on Glock 17, so it will require the ability to remove the compensator, regardless of how it's implemented.
That's how they all were back in the day. All the race guns were built this way, my Springfield P9 Factory Comp, etc. You can remove the recoil spring and guide without problem. You just have to clean it from the muzzle end or use a pull-through cleaner.
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Adding a tlr-1 reduces recoil and it also serves a function.
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Didn't Strike Industries make one as well? It attached via a special recoil spring rod...

Dan
They did and there is probably a good reason it's NLA. Plus, added weight on the slide reduces ammo options. In CA, factory compensated barrels (and matching slides, factory or custom milled) or ported extended barrels are the way to go. Like most Strike products, their slide comp is more for looks. Whatever reduction in felt recoil is due to the added weight (and slower cycling slide).

If modifying factory barrel and slide, consider Mag-na-port. Smaller ports, less chance of debris from entering. https://magnaport.com/hgun.html

17C barrels can be had. Slides are harder to come by. Lone Wolf offered C style slide porting at one point. Not sure if they still do.
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They did and there is probably a good reason it's NLA. Plus, added weight on the slide reduces ammo options. In CA, factory compensated barrels (and matching slides, factory or custom milled) or ported extended barrels are the way to go. Like most Strike products, their slide comp is more for looks. Whatever reduction in felt recoil is due to the added weight (and slower cycling slide).

If modifying factory barrel and slide, consider Mag-na-port. Smaller ports, less chance of debris from entering. https://magnaport.com/hgun.html

17C barrels can be had. Slides are harder to come by. Lone Wolf offered C style slide porting at one point. Not sure if they still do.



This FTI Comp is a true 4-port, barrel mounted compensator with the same port profile and performance as other 4-port compensators but is CA legal with no threaded barrel. It is also way shorter than other comps with the same porting area. You should check it out, we need to get it funded so we can have a real comp here in CA!

http://forbiddentactical.com
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During the 1994 AW Ban Bushmaster used a spring loaded ball bearing muzzle brake on their carbon AR 15s. No threads on the barrel, just a groove into which one snapped on the device. Worked fine, stayed in place.
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This FTI Comp is a true 4-port...

Not interested. Don't need it. 9mm doesn't need to be compensated. Are you on RTI's payroll or something? Plus, it's an unfunded concept at this point. As good as vaporware.
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Is it not patented yet? I can’t seem to find any information on how it attaches to that proprietary barrel.
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Not interested. Don't need it. 9mm doesn't need to be compensated. Are you on RTI's payroll or something? Plus, it's an unfunded concept at this point. As good as vaporware.

No I'm just a guy in California who wants a compensator haha. Yes it is just an unfunded concept right now but I don't think I'm the only one who wants something like this, hopefully we can get it funded. The prototypes are being made right now though so once that's done I'll have them sent out to some guys to review etc.

As for the necessity of it sure you could argue it's not needed but the same argument could be made about aftermarket triggers, red dots, stippling, magwells etc. etc.
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Is it not patented yet? I can’t seem to find any information on how it attaches to that proprietary barrel.

Yes I am keeping it somewhat vague until the patent is sorted out but basically it is locked onto the barrel with a set screw and it installs exactly the same way you would a threaded compensator. So cleaning and take down are all the same as with a standard threaded compensator as well.
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Is it not patented yet? I can’t seem to find any information on how it attaches to that proprietary barrel.
It could be anything simple that's not a thread, as in, it doesn't have inclined surfaces. So it could be like a 3 lug except with 2 lugs like a Gemtech bi-lock. Similar to a bolt action rifle's lugs.

The problem is you'll have to buy their proprietary barrel, and the fact that hardly anyone outside of California would want it, which limits their market and makes these parts very expensive.
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Yes I am keeping it somewhat vague until the patent is sorted out but basically it is locked onto the barrel with a set screw and it installs exactly the same way you would a threaded compensator. So cleaning and take down are all the same as with a standard threaded compensator as well.
So you ARE the owner of this site and trying to schlock your junk to us.
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So you ARE the owner of this site and trying to schlock your junk to us.
Actually I am the owner of THIS site, he is the owner of THAT site.

I am aware that he is discussing his product under development and is not a Vendor.
At this point there is no product to sell so it's not a problem, I'm sure once this becomes available for retail sale he'll contact Dave and become a Vendor.
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It could be anything simple that's not a thread, as in, it doesn't have inclined surfaces. So it could be like a 3 lug except with 2 lugs like a Gemtech bi-lock. Similar to a bolt action rifle's lugs.
Reminder that, under CA regulations as of 07-31-2017, "barrel lugs" are also considered a "threaded barrel". [11 CCR 5471(rr)]
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Actually I am the owner of THIS site, he is the owner of THAT site.

I am aware that he is discussing his product under development and is not a Vendor.
At this point there is no product to sell so it's not a problem, I'm sure once this becomes available for retail sale he'll contact Dave and become a Vendor.

Hi Kestryll sorry if I wasn't supposed to post something like this! I just saw this thread and wanted to let people know what I am trying to do. I will definitely go through the process and become a vendor once we are up and running.
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Reminder that, under CA regulations as of 07-31-2017, "barrel lugs" are also considered a "threaded barrel". [11 CCR 5471(rr)]
Yes, our barrel design does not have lugs nor is it capable of accepting other attachments like suppressors etc.
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https://www.strikeindustries.com/sho...comp-1461.html

Looks like Strike Industries finally has released the gen3 version of the threadless comp.

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Are you on RTI's payroll or something?

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No I'm just a guy in California who wants a compensator haha...
o_O

I knew something smelled fishy.
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Oh dang they finally released it! I gave up after we never heard anything on their first g3 comp post years back.
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o_O

I knew something smelled fishy.

I still don't know what this is referring to though haha. What do you mean?
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For Glocks:

Why not just cut the magazine catch in half so the button side can't be pressed without a tool of some sort.

Also, only use 10 round magazines.
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For Glocks:

Why not just cut the magazine catch in half so the button side can't be pressed without a tool of some sort.

Also, only use 10 round magazines.
Because that no longer meets the definition of a "fixed magazine".
~It was acceptable method from 2000-2016.

Starting 01-01-2017, a "fixed magazine" is an ammunition feeding device that is contained in the firearm and that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or that is permanently attached in the firearm's magazine well.

So, for a Glock pistol to have a "fixed magazine":
Option 1.
The magazine needs to be locked into the grip in a manner that prevents it's removal until after the slide is removed from the frame.
Option 2.
The magazine is permanently attached (epoxy/riveted) into the grip.
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Because that no longer meets the definition of a "fixed magazine".
F this state
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