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Amazing this thread had not been locked or moved yet.
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The logistics of a militia trying to supply its self with ammo and parts for a variety of different rifles with all kinds of calibers is a nightmare. Can it be done, sure but it would not be pritty.
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it's amazing how some people focus on portions, and gloss over others... If the code is read correctly (and in it's entirety) adrenaline is correct. Some people focus on what they want to see and try to make their argument based on that. Even upon first read, it was clear to me.
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If Obama had a thread, it would look just like this one.
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Militia Act of 1903
Page. 1. Constitutional provisions relating to power of Congress to raise troops 5 2. Militia law of 1792 5 3. Militia laws of 1808 and 1820 5 4. Failure of the system 6 5. Worthlessness of militia , 6 6. Act of 1898 6 7. The Organized Militia as an asset in preparing war plans 7 8. Failure or refusal of troops to serve 7 9. Lack of physical fitness 8 10. Time for concentrating 9 11. Character of force assembled 9 12. Time this force may be held for service 10 13. How this force may be used 10 14. Wastefulness of the system 10 15. As cause for delay in raising a volunteer force 11 16. Number of Organized Militia and amount of training of those secured by the call 11 17. The organizations of Organized Militia and training of personnel as an asset. 11 18. How present Organized Militia has improved 12 Good read and join the National Guard http://archive.org/stream/militiaaso...trich_djvu.txt |
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Okay, the way I read this (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) was it wasn't talking about the legality or illegal nature of militias. It just states the government's view of organized vs. the volunteer nature of militia.
What is interesting is the following: U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 - Powers of Congress To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; -------------------------------------- I personally don't know why they want to disarm the nation. We (the unorganized militia) don't even care if they arm us. We can pay for our own arms. We just don't want them to take it away. You would think they would thank us for saving them a few bucks.
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Yes.....but!!! So are a lot of other things that are illegal in CA. You cannot legally form a group for the purpose of military training in CA.
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Look up the Whiskey Rebellion. Last edited by WnP; 02-23-2013 at 1:25 PM.. |
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Could you put that in English for me?
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This thread is on the militia.
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"To place any dependence upon militia is assuredly resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender scenes of domestic life, unaccustomed to the din of arms, totally unacquainted with every kind of makes them timid and ready to fly from their own shadows." - George Washington It was doubt that he cast on the militia. Those were some of his initial observations about the militia (the British did not respect the militia and many times cast the same doubt). However, later on. Despite these misgivings by Continental Army commanders, militia, when used properly, repeatedly demonstrated their utility to the patriot cause. At Concord in 1775, militia, firing from the cover of the trees lining the road back to Boston, inflicted over 25% casualties on the retreating redcoats. In the desperate winter of 1776-1777, up to 12,000 militia soldiers from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Delaware came to the relief of Washington’s Army, while other units remained in defensive postures in New York and Connecticut. Without the numbers contributed by local militia, the British would not have been forced to give back much of what they had earlier conquered in New Jersey. A few months later, in June of 1777, Washington was able to reinforce Northern New York while still holding the New Jersey Highlands due to the presence of local militia, demonstrating a flexibility of response that came from the dispersal of local militia units throughout the colonies. Later on he would go on to make the following statement. "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington Our founders would be in full support of militia training with arms and disciplining themselves so they were more organized than a rag-tag bunch of men with zero experience in any tactical warfare or firearms.
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What I am saying is that to think of any guy who has a gun can form a well trained militia is ridiculous. It takes regular training, fitness, etc. to become deadly. There are standards that have been laid out and the state takes from the unorganized militia to form a regular militia. |
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It looks to me the state has a good monopoly on training, ask the Marines, Army, Air Force and Navy.
Or ask Chris Dorner. The people are the government. We are armed to protect the State and if you want to change that then go through the legal means. |
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Source: http://guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html |
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The idea is to have well disciplined and armed Americans in City and State.
This way foreign countries wouldn't consider an invasion, nor would a government attempt to disarm the citizens, or pass unconstitutional laws. It's like in WWII, the Japanese arms considered invading the U.S. with foot soldiers- one of their Military leaders said "You cannot invade the US, there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." |
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Are you saying that a militia is not a group formed for the purpose of military training?
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In California's PC code, this is not an issue until that organization's goal is civil disorder.
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What does Tony Soprano do when his Client's start defaulting on his loans? He sends the goons to collect.
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precisely!!! It (PC) has been posted more than once in this thread and people keep misinterpreting (or completely glossing over) what it says. And it's very blatantly stated - it's hard to miss... I'm not sure why so many in this thread don't get it.
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Other countries don't need guns to ruin us.
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OK, let's get quite real. It doesn't matter just what the code reads. What matters is how the FBI, the state police, the DA, the courts, and the juries think it should read and how they will interpret the code and the case law.
Suffice it to say that forming a militia and training as a militia is going to be considered a very bad and very illegal thing if you don't have some sort of favored status in the state. We don't have such favored status. I would be intrigued, however, if someone explored the legality of simply organizing the unorganized militia and training it. Not sure you could do it, but I wonder. . .
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The code also doesn't specify that we would have to physically join. Aren't we joining here to train each other how to use our firearms.
We aren't doing it to commit civil unrest. That is, unless the general public decides to no longer live under the founding principles of this republic. |
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Got it. I found it somewhere and re-used it.
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All I know is the CGF lawyers that are on here have made it clear that the PC is talkining about militias in CA that arent part of the state or federal goverment that is enough for me to not wanna touch it with a 10 fI so if you think your reading the PC right then please join a millita and be a test case .....
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