CA DOJ RELEASES FIRST SET OF PROPOSED AMMUNITION SALES REGULATIONS

[Tankhatch]

LOL The gangs use newbie members, without any criminal history, to buy they're firearms and ammo. Criminals also do the same thing, and get a friend to buy for them. Because that is true,,,,,,,,,, any and all attempts to regulate firearms and ammo purchases, are a joke and are just harassment to law abiding citizens for political gain.

[broadside]

I'm a bit confused on the non-resident case.

I know they can bring in whatever ammo they want but after July they won't be able to buy at all or will they just be auto-approved and the transaction recorded?

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by broadside

I'm a bit confused on the non-resident case.

I know they can bring in whatever ammo they want but after July they won't be able to buy at all or will they just be auto-approved and the transaction recorded?

If someone is not in AFS, they pay $19 and wait until DOJ clears them for a single purchase within 30 days of approval.

[broadside]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

If someone is not in AFS, they pay $19 and wait until DOJ clears them for a single purchase within 30 days of approval.

I know its the CA DOJ but it does not make any sense that they can import all they want but can't buy here. Glad the immediate family transfer exemption exists and I have my 03/COE.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by broadside

I know its the CA DOJ but it does not make any sense that they can import all they want but can't buy here. Glad the immediate family transfer exemption exists and I have my 03/COE.

These are proposed regulations. At this point, stupidity CAN be challenged.

[tomrkba]

Originally Posted by USMCmatt

Well, $1 isn't so bad. I expected something crazy stupid as a way to try and stop all sales. Still horse**** though.

$1 today, $100 tomorrow

[Sputnik]

Originally Posted by tomrkba

$1 today, $100 tomorrow

Have no doubt...the "fee" will go up. Its just a matter of time.

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by maidenrules29

Lol right!!! There will probably be more robberies here in CA so they can get ammo and what’s to keep them from going to Nevada to stock up? Criminals will always get what they want....


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Wait wait wait! Are you saying criminals don't follow laws?!? But, it's the law!

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by Sputnik

Have no doubt...the "fee" will go up. Its just a matter of time.

And, of statute: PEN 30370

(e) The department shall recover the reasonable cost of regulatory and enforcement activities related to this article by charging ammunition purchasers and transferees a per transaction fee not to exceed one dollar ($1), provided, however, that the fee may be increased at a rate not to exceed any increases in the California Consumer Price Index as compiled and reported by the Department of Industrial Relations, not to exceed the reasonable regulatory and enforcement costs.

[MJB]

My only hope is an asteroid or Trump wins a second term and f**** every liberal states violation of the Constitution.

I know a few felons & gang bangers they all have guns and family buys them ammo.....

[Ford8N]

Originally Posted by MJB

My only hope is an asteroid or Trump wins a second term and f**** every liberal states violation of the Constitution.

I know a few felons & gang bangers they all have guns and family buys them ammo.....

Straw purchasers happen all the time, but rarely enforced. So the Rulers answer to that is to jack the law abiding gun owner in California.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by MJB

I know a few felons & gang bangers they all have guns and family buys them ammo.....

Won’t help ‘em. Kevin has that covered. Here’s his testimony on AB 48 a few years ago. Really, this is how his brain works.....


Yeah, that’s right, he’s PROFILING Hispanic females.

But, he clearly states the Rand study says old white guys aren’t the problem. So, were’s my exemption?

[chris]

Originally Posted by Dvrjon

These are proposed regulations. At this point, stupidity CAN be challenged.

and stupidity can and will be upheld.

[chris]

Originally Posted by tomrkba

$1 today, $100 tomorrow

I guarantee it will go up and quick.

[Kyle1886]

Originally Posted by chris

I guarantee it will go up and quick.

Especially if they base the increase partially on the CPI each year.

Respectfully
Kyle

[ugimports]

Originally Posted by chris

I guarantee it will go up and quick.

Why? DROS fees haven't changed in years.. Why wouldn't the same logic be applied to those fees (or the FSC fees or the HSC fees, etc...)

[Mayor McRifle]

Originally Posted by chris

I guarantee it will go up and quick.

Originally Posted by ugimports

Why? DROS fees haven't changed in years.. Why wouldn't the same logic be applied to those fees (or the FSC fees or the HSC fees, etc...)

But he guaranteed it. So it must be different this time. We have Chris's guarantee!

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by chris

I guarantee it will go up and quick.

You're in Texas so why do you care?

[kemasa]

Originally Posted by ugimports

Why? DROS fees haven't changed in years.. Why wouldn't the same logic be applied to those fees (or the FSC fees or the HSC fees, etc...)

Because the DROS fees exceed the costs and should have been reduced, but they stole the money instead.

The BFSC was lifetime and they killed it, so that increased the costs as people then had to get a HSC, which was changed to include long guns, so the HSC was basically killed and forced people to spend more money to get a FSC, instead of allowing the HSC to be used on either handguns or long guns. So you really want the same logic to be used?

[BigPimping]

So is this going to be a $19 fee every single time I go to purchase ammo? I'm so little bit confused here.

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

So is this going to be a $19 fee every single time I go to purchase ammo? I'm so little bit confused here.

Only if you have no registered firearms and refuse to register one.

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[Kyle1886]

Originally Posted by BigPimping View Post
So is this going to be a $19 fee every single time I go to purchase ammo? I'm so little bit confused here

Originally Posted by Hinnerk

Only if you have no registered firearms and refuse to register one.

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Although it is not the case now, I can see this morphing into "having a firearm in the particular caliber you are purchasing ammo for."

Just a matter of time, since "they" want to know exactly what you own and where it is.

Hopefully I wrong!

Respectfully
Kyle

[BigPimping]

and I have a registered firearm in one caliber. Does this mean I will be charged extra every time I buy any other calibers? I have other firearms in 22lr, 9 mm and others.

[sakosf]

And for those with this hobby.....

https://www.rtgammo.com/

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

and I have a registered firearm in one caliber. Does this mean I will be charged extra every time I buy any other calibers? I have other firearms in 22lr, 9 mm and others.

You are good to go (at the $1 rate).

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[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by sakosf

And for those with this hobby.....

https://www.rtgammo.com/

People in that hobby MIGHT also be FFL03 and exempt (with COE) from the FUD quoted on that site.

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[sakosf]

Originally Posted by Hinnerk

People in that hobby MIGHT also be FFL03 and exempt (with COE) from the FUD quoted on that site.

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My expectation is there will be sellers just not willing to deal with a CA buyer anymore

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by sakosf

My expectation is there will be sellers just not willing to deal with a CA buyer anymore

Indeed, there are. It is hard enough for Californians to understand the law, let alone to expect out of state sellers to understand our laws.

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[BigPimping]

I'm going to have to get the FFL03 I think. Just not too sure about how to go about it. Maybe someone will post a sticky regarding the process.

[EM2]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

I'm going to have to get the FFL03 I think. Just not too sure about how to go about it. Maybe someone will post a sticky regarding the process.

how to get an FFL-03

It is a multi page form you fill out and send to the ATF along with $30.
No fingerprints, no photo for the FFL-03.
You also send a part of the form to your local chief law enforcement officer.

[chris]

Originally Posted by ugimports

Why? DROS fees haven't changed in years.. Why wouldn't the same logic be applied to those fees (or the FSC fees or the HSC fees, etc...)

I'm referring to the background check fee for ammo. Not DROS,.

[jeremiah12]

Originally Posted by BigPimping

I'm going to have to get the FFL03 I think. Just not too sure about how to go about it. Maybe someone will post a sticky regarding the process.

The COE is what costs more initially. You will have to get a live scan done somewhere. I had mine done at a UPS postal center that also offered the Live Scan Service and it cost less than most places and did not require an appointment.

After the initial application, you just pay $22 every year to renew. I can now be done online through the CFARS system. I did it this year and was approved in less than 12 hours. I was sent the new COE in a PDF file and I made several copies.

When I sent copies of my FFL03 and COE to Target Sport USA, I already had the COE in a PDF file so I did not need to scan it.

Be careful through, it will lighten your wallet. All of a sudden you start looking for C&R guns online. When you take a trip out of state, your bring your C&R license with you just in case.

I grew up in a family that took road trips all the time. Since I was the oldest, once I could drive, it became my job to help with the driving. By then it was just mom, myself, and 4 other kids. We would drive at night so all the kids would sleep (back in the day before seatbelt laws and when the family car was a station wagon so all the kids slept in the back with the back seat folded down).

I still occasionally like to do a road trip. When I am break from school, if I happen to find a C&R gun I really like within 600 miles, I will take a road trip.

I did so this past Saturday. I have had a bug for a .22 mag revolver. I found a S&W 48 no dash for a great price from an FFL that is retired and now just sells out of his home part time. It was near Bend, OR.

I made a 16 hour drive, 500 miles each way, in a day to pick it up. I stopped at a Sportsman Warehouse in Bend and found some great prices on Ammo. I stopped at an Indian Casino for an hour, something I have never done before, just to wake up a little and eat. I played the slot machine for a few minutes and ended up winning a jackpot that covered the price of the gun, the ammo I bought, and my gas for the entire trip. I took it and left.

I left my house at 1 AM and returned by 7 Pm that evening.

Had I not been willing to drive to pick it up, the seller would not have sold it to me because he does not ship to CA. Because I was willing to drive, he dropped $50 off the price because it saved him time and gas from having to take it to town to ship.

[chris]

Originally Posted by Packy14

You're in Texas so why do you care?

Not anymore. My orders ended and I'm home. So yes I do care.


And 2A is dead next year anyway.

[Packy14]

Originally Posted by chris

Not anymore. My orders ended and I'm home. So yes I do care.


And 2A is dead next year anyway.

Dang. Freedom revoked.

[Featureless]

As always, the more restrictive the law, the lower the rate of compliance.
IOW, they pretend to regulate, we pretend to comply. It's a win-win.

[TruOil]

Originally Posted by EM2

how to get an FFL-03

It is a multi page form you fill out and send to the ATF along with $30.
No fingerprints, no photo for the FFL-03.
You also send a part of the form to your local chief law enforcement officer.

The one caveat is that you have to actually be in the business of buying and selling to others, not just for your own collecting purposes. It's not a high barrier, but one that one must abide at the risk of losing the license.

[Hinnerk]

Originally Posted by TruOil

The one caveat is that you have to actually be in the business of buying and selling to others, not just for your own collecting purposes. It's not a high barrier, but one that one must abide at the risk of losing the license.

Actually, it is just the opposite. An FFL03 is NOT a license to be in the firearms business.

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[Hinnerk]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...ngage-business

Does a license as a collector of curio or relic firearms authorize the collector to engage in the business of dealing in curios or relics?

No. A dealer’s license must be obtained to engage in the business of dealing in any firearms, including curios or relics.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41(d)]

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[ugimports]

Originally Posted by Hinnerk

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/does...ngage-business

Does a license as a collector of curio or relic firearms authorize the collector to engage in the business of dealing in curios or relics?

No. A dealer’s license must be obtained to engage in the business of dealing in any firearms, including curios or relics.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) and 923(a); 27 CFR 478.41(d)]

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For clarification:
A dealer's license in an FFL01 not an FFL03.

"In the business" = buying/selling for profit -- not for collecting.

[CoxInYa]

So today I got my livescan and filed my COE application. The 03FFL paperwork goes into the mail tomorrow. And to top it off, just to piss off the antis, i took possession of my new S&W TRR8. It was a good day.