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Old 03-31-2019, 8:20 PM
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A bill to eliminate pistol-packing permits appears dead on arrival in the Nevada Assembly.

Assembly Bill 437, introduced by Republican lawmakers on Monday, would do away with a law that requires residents to get the state’s permission before carrying a concealed weapon.

Assemblyman Steve Yeager, D-Las Vegas, told the Reno Gazette Journal the bill is unlikely to get a hearing in his Assembly Judiciary Committee.

Even bill sponsor and Assemblyman Jim Wheeler, R-Minden, admits it faces long odds.


Wheeler, who carried the bill on behalf of his Assembly GOP colleagues, said similar measures have failed in each of the past five legislative sessions.

So why bring it back?

“It’s a constitutional bill,” Wheeler said. “I want to be able to show the people of Nevada that we’re here to do their bidding, and that their voices won’t be silenced.

“It’s time that we get back to the basics of the Constitution.”
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I think at some point the voters need to do away with the power of committee chairmen to decide which bills get heard and which do not. The effect is of a one man veto in the Legislature for anything the chairman disagrees with, with no debate and no vote of the membership..
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I think at some point the voters need to do away with the power of committee chairmen to decide which bills get heard and which do not. The effect is of a one man veto in the Legislature for anything the chairman disagrees with, with no debate and no vote of the membership..
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I think at some point the voters need to do away with the power of committee chairmen to decide which bills get heard and which do not. The effect is of a one man veto in the Legislature for anything the chairman disagrees with, with no debate and no vote of the membership..
I agree. There are numerous states where this would easily pass but some entrenched committee chair desk drawer vetoes every year.
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Old 04-05-2019, 11:00 AM
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Doesn't the Texas House Speaker select the chairmen of the various House committees? If RINO Speaker Bonnen wanted a "quick hearing" on Con Carry, why'd he select a Dem to be the chair of the committee where it sent, stalled and has now died??? Maybe so he can claim to be all for Con Carry while at the same time ensuring it never gets passed?

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A gun rights activist, allegedly angry over the lack of movement on a “constitutional carry” proposal at the Texas Legislature, visited the home of House Speaker Dennis Bonnen last week and was intercepted by officers with the Department of Public Safety.

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In February, HB 357 was referred to the House Homeland Security Committee, which is chaired by state Rep. Poncho Nevárez, D-Eagle Pass. On Friday, Nevárez told the Tribune that, while he had planned to give the bill a hearing, "the behavior of certain groups and/or individuals who are unreasonable in their expectations and even more unreasonable in their behavior caused me to reconsider." He added that he didn't have a "hearing currently planned as a result."

“House Speaker Dennis Bonnen is blocking Constitutional Carry (HB 357)!,” Texas Gun Rights posted on Facebook on April 2. “It appears Bonnen intended to kill this bill all along — in spite of his false promises for a ‘quick hearing.’”

The post included phone numbers to Bonnen’s office to “respectfully urge” the speaker to advance the legislation to the full House floor for a vote — and said that, if the measure died this year, “the blame [would rest] SQUARELY on Speaker Bonnen’s shoulders.”

Though Bonnen oversees the chamber, he doesn't direct which legislation hits the floor for debate. That's a task that involves multiple committee chairmen appointed by the speaker to carry out.

McNutt, in a statement to Hearst, suggested that visiting Bonnen’s home was within bounds as his group aims to push the gun proposal.

“If politicians like Speaker Dennis Bonnen think they can show up at the doorsteps of Second Amendment supporters and make promises to earn votes in the election season, they shouldn’t be surprised when we show up in their neighborhoods to insist they simply keep their promises in the legislative session,” McNutt said in the statement.
More from: https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04...peaker-Bonnen/
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Sounds almost like a set up in South Carolina....

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The push for open carry gun laws in South Carolina has backfired after one of the bill’s supporters threatened a top state lawmaker.

In response, a state Senate subcommittee chairman postponed Tuesday’s hearing on the bill, effectively killing it for the year by ensuring it misses a Wednesday deadline to pass either the House or the Senate.

State Sen. Stephen Goldfinch, R-Georgetown, tweeted Monday he was postponing the hearing “until further notice.”

“Even though I’m supportive of Open Carry ideals, I will not stand by and allow threats to my friends,” Goldfinch wrote in support of S.C. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Peter McCoy, the Charleston Republican who received the threat.

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In a March 26 Facebook post, the Freedom Action Network of South Carolina called McCoy “the #1 enemy of restoring our gun rights in the Statehouse” for not advancing the constitutional carry legislation. A commenter replied to the post by suggesting McCoy be shot.

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“Under no circumstance do we advocate even the hint of a threat of violence,” Freedom Action of South Carolina President Dave Schwartz said in a statement. “We disagree with Peter on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens, but in no way do we wish him or his family any harm of any kind. This comment was on a Facebook advertisement from an individual who is not associated with our organization. And in fact, nobody here knows who he is. The comments were brought to our attention and we removed them.”
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Old 04-09-2019, 9:04 PM
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10 min audio interview of Chris McNutt, the 2nd A activist the MSM is blaming for killing the Constitutional Carry bill in Texas this year.

http://www.wbap.com/2019/04/09/chris...wmakers-homes/
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Buckeye Firearms Association Executive Director Dean Rieck says the Constitutional Carry Bill has slowly been in the works for almost three decades.

'We've had concealed carry for about 15 years now and the program has worked quite well. And one thing people need to keep in mind is we've had open carry pretty much forever, and that too has worked. So we've been woking towards constitutional carry for many years and we think the time has finally come," says Rieck.

Many Democratic lawmakers have expressed concerns especially with the suggestion to eliminate the duty to notify officers of a concealed weapon.

Anti-gun violence groups like Moms Demand Action say House Bill 178 is a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist. They believe in the safety measures already on the books.

“Most Americans agree that we need more common sense gun safety measures in place to protect the public.

<snip>

Governor DeWine has already signaled that if a Constitutional Carry bill is placed on his desk, he'll sign it.

Plenty of discussion is expected among the legislature in coming weeks and months ahead.
More at: https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbu...-in-committee#

The OH legislature meets year round, so session end on Dec 31st: https://ballotpedia.org/Dates_of_201...ative_sessions
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Would be super excellent to get a fourth CC state this year.

The more the merrier to negate the leftist "BLOOD IN THE STREETS" false narrative.
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State sheriffs on Wednesday opposed legislation backed by gun rights groups that would allow people to carry concealed handguns in public without obtaining a state permit.

The bill by Republican Sen. Gerald Allen of Tuscaloosa would do away with the current state requirement to obtain a concealed carry permit. During a Wednesday public hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, proponents called the permits an infringement on a person's right to carry a firearm while opponents called the proposal a threat to public safety.

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The National Rifle Association backs the bill and says 16 states have approved some version of permitless carry, sometimes dubbed "constitutional carry" by supporters.

Sheriffs say the permits are a tool for law enforcement officers to apprehend criminals, stop crimes and protect communities.

Montgomery County Sheriff Derrick Cunningham said currently when criminals see a law enforcement officer they will toss a weapon and run. If the permit requirement is abolished, they will carry that weapon without concern. [I believe this is B.S. Once the criminal is ID'ed, if he can't be in possession of a firearm he'll be charged regardless of whether the state is ConCarry or not.]

"That permit is a tool. If we apprehend somebody that doesn't have a permit, we are able to remove that person off the street," Cunningham said. "We see a lot of blood on the streets but at the same time this bill right here will increase that. Right now, we are taking that tool away from our law enforcement officers."

Members of the group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America also opposed the bill known as Senate Bill 4.

"SB4 is a dangerous proposal and I ask that you vote against it," said Judy Taylor of Moms Demand Action.

<snip>

Judiciary Committee Chairman Cam Ward said the committee will vote on the bill next week.

Allen has proposed the bill for several years, but the legislation has stalled in the House of Representatives amid concerns from law enforcement.

"This bill will start in the House of Representatives in 2020 if we don't get a resolution this time," Ward said.
Read more here: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/p...229358544.html
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The Texas legislature has advanced a measure to allow those in the Lone Star State to carry handguns without a license during an emergency.

The measure, HB 1177, passed the state House 102-29 on Thursday, spinning it up for action by the Senate. The move would allow those complying with a mandatory evacuation order the ability to temporarily carry a handgun without first having to have a license.

Texas requires License To Carry permits for both concealed and open carry and issued more than 340,000 LTCs last year alone. The proposal now in the legislature would amend state law to exempt an unlicensed person from a charge of unlawful carrying of weapons as long as they are carrying while evacuating during a state of disaster. The period would be limited to 168 hours since the evacuation was ordered and only apply to those who can legally possess a firearm.

According to witness documents, the bill is supported by Second Amendment groups such as the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, Open Carry Texas, and the Texas State Rifle Association. In opposition is the League of Women Voters of Texas and Texas Gun Sense, the latter a local gun control group.

<snip>

The bill is similar to one adopted in hurricane-prone Florida in 2015. The Sunshine State has a prohibition against concealed carry of a weapon without a permit and only narrow exceptions for open carry, such as while hunting or fishing. Neither state currently recognizes permitless or constitutional carry.
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Sheriffs say the permits are a tool for law enforcement officers to apprehend criminals, stop crimes and protect communities.

Montgomery County Sheriff Derrick Cunningham said currently when criminals see a law enforcement officer they will toss a weapon and run. If the permit requirement is abolished, they will carry that weapon without concern.

"That permit is a tool. If we apprehend somebody that doesn't have a permit, we are able to remove that person off the street," Cunningham said. "We see a lot of blood on the streets but at the same time this bill right here will increase that. Right now, we are taking that tool away from our law enforcement officers."
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ALABAMA -- ConCarry is DEAD

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An Alabama Senate committee on Tuesday narrowly rejected a bill that would allow permitless concealed carry in Alabama, a bill that drew criticism from the state’s sheriffs.

The Senate Tourism and Marketing Committee voted 6 to 5 to reject the measure, sponsored by Sen. Gerald Allen, R-Tuscaloosa, that would have done away with requirements to have a concealed carry permit for carrying weapons or in a vehicle.

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The Senate Judiciary Committee held a public hearing on the measure last week. Marsh said Allen requested that the bill be moved to Tourism and Marketing. Allen said he did so because he felt the bill was moving too slowly in Judiciary.
More at: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ee/3555073002/
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More at: https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...ee/3555073002/
Looks like a few Alabama GOP senators need to be primaried.
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LaFave said Michigan should be a “constitutional carry” state, a term referencing the Second Amendment right to bear arms. LaFave said the U.S. Constitution and Michigan Constitution clearly state government can’t abridge an individual’s right own firearms for self-defense.

Opponents of the bills say requiring permits for concealed carry and establishing weapons-free public spaces are reasonable regulations designed to keep citizens safe.

House Bill 4029 would allow a person to carry a concealed pistol or hunting knife without a permit. Currently, concealed pistol licenses can be acquired by legal residents who are over 21, complete a safety course and pass a background check.

Michigan State Police legislative liaison Sgt. Chris Gerard said MSP has no opinion on eliminating the concealed carry permit requirement.
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IMO, it is likely their Dem governor, Gretchen Whitmer, will veto it if it passes both their House (58 Repub to 52 Dem) and Senate (22 Repub to 16 Dem).
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"This is a contrived "solution" made up to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Like almost all U.S. states Pennsylvania has for decades required those who want to carry their firearms out of sight to simply fill out a basic form with their county sheriff. There is no abuse of anyone's right to carry. It's a simple and proven process that tens of thousands of Pennsylvania gun owners follow to comply with the law. The legislation is more likely to confuse many people who understand and support the current requirement."
- Bill Patton , Spokesman, PA House Democrats

The bill will need to voted out of committee before it can be voted on by the house.
More at: https://fox43.com/2019/05/12/bill-pr...irement-in-pa/

Senate (26 GOP to 22 Dem) and House (109 GOP to 93 Dem (and 1 vacant))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsy...neral_Assembly

Dem Gov Tom Wolf
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Looks like Con Carry may still be alive in South Carolina....

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Ohio: Con Carry still alive

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Ohio opposition testimony by LE.

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Law enforcement, sheriffs, and prosecutors on Wednesday voiced opposition to an Ohio bill that would allow people to carry concealed firearms without a license.

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“An untrained person, even with the minimum training currently required for CCW holders, really has no idea what they have truly just embarked into,” said Toledo Police officer Michael Haynes, speaking on behalf of the Toledo Police Patrolman’s Association to the House Federalism Committee.

“We don’t let our 16-year-old children behind a wheel without a minimum of training involved, so why would we allow someone to carry a gun without the same due diligence?” he asked.

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“Local communities have an obligation to protect the peace, health, and safety of their residents pursuant to the Home Rule Authority contained in the Ohio Constitution,” he wrote. “The authorization of the possession and concealed carry of deadly weapons by untrained and unlicensed individuals will do nothing to protect our children, our schools, or the citizens of the City of Toledo and the State of Ohio.”

Opponents also objected to the use of the term “deadly weapon” in the bill rather than “firearm,” suggesting the bill could lead to the legal carrying of knives and other weapons.
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“An untrained person, even with the minimum training currently required for CCW holders, really has no idea what they have truly just embarked into,” said Toledo Police officer Michael Haynes, speaking on behalf of the Toledo Police Patrolman’s Association to the House Federalism Committee.
Obviously the AzzHatz that speak for LE in Ohio. Are the same as the political parasites in CrapOfornia.

Officer Michael "Dick" Haynes should have read that document he swore to uphold against all enemies.

Ohio Constitution Bill of Rights Article 1.04


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The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.
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The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre, were the shootings on May 4, 1970, of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard at Kent State University in Kent, Ohio. Twenty-eight guardsmen fired approximately 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis
Ohio National Guard is "a standing army" and specifically forbidden in their Constitution.

Hopefully the good citizens of Ohio can again wrest their National 2A and Ohio 1.04 rights from the despots.
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Nonsense. The Ohio National Guard is a militia force that can be called to active duty by the Governor, or to active duty in the US Armed forces. It has been a long time, but I am reasonably certain that the Guard at Kent State was called out by the Governor, and was thus a militia called to duty, not a standing army.
A standing army, unlike a reserve army, is a permanent, often professional, army. It is composed of full-time soldiers (who may be either career soldiers or conscripts) and is not disbanded during times of peace. It differs from army reserves, who are enrolled for the long term, but activated only during wars or natural disasters, and temporary armies, which are raised from the civilian population only during a war or threat of war and disbanded once the war or threat is over. The term dates from approximately 1600, although the phenomenon it describes is much older.

That aside, I agree with your other comments. Where is the evidence that CCW holders in Ohio are running amok, even with that little amount of training they get as currently required by law? And what about the fact that Ohio is an unlicensed open carry state, for which no training or license is required? Or, as you noted, the express protection of the right in the state constitution?
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Nonsense. The Ohio National Guard is a militia force that can be called to active duty by the Governor, or to active duty in the US Armed forces. It has been a long time, but I am reasonably certain that the Guard at Kent State was called out by the Governor, and was thus a militia called to duty, not a standing army.
A standing army, unlike a reserve army, is a permanent, often professional, army. It is composed of full-time soldiers (who may be either career soldiers or conscripts) and is not disbanded during times of peace. It differs from army reserves, who are enrolled for the long term, but activated only during wars or natural disasters, and temporary armies, which are raised from the civilian population only during a war or threat of war and disbanded once the war or threat is over. The term dates from approximately 1600, although the phenomenon it describes is much older.

That aside, I agree with your other comments. Where is the evidence that CCW holders in Ohio are running amok, even with that little amount of training they get as currently required by law? And what about the fact that Ohio is an unlicensed open carry state, for which no training or license is required? Or, as you noted, the express protection of the right in the state constitution?
According to these two old dead farts https://www.merriam-webster.com/dict...tanding%20army

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standing army; noun
Definition of standing army
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Having been formed in 1788 [231] yrs ago, definitely qualifies as "permanent". And the members are "soldiers" that "get paid by, trained by, and supplied by the government".

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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/army

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Definition of army
1a : a large organized body of armed personnel trained for war especially on land
ONG qualifies for that one also.

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a person who serves in an army.
synonyms: fighter, serviceman, servicewoman, fighting man, fighting woman, comrade-in-arms, warrior, trooper; More
Who commands, [Governor/President] or what specific tasks are given to the "standing army" does not change the indisputable fact that the Ohio National Guard are part of the Armed Forces. And as such they are the State of Ohio's very own Standing Army.

Which is explicitly forbidden by the Ohio State Constitution, as written. Same as Infringements to the "Right to Keep and Bear Arms" are forbidden by the 2A.
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Hey guys, can we restrict this thread to it's topic: the status of various states' Con Carry bills in 2019?

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RINOs & Dems have killed Con Carry in Texas this year, but now we've got word they're killing even the short-term Con Carry after declared disasters mentioned in post #131 above.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/cal...for-disasters/
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Thumbs up TEXAS short-term post declared disaster Con Carry bill

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RINOs & Dems have killed Con Carry in Texas this year, but now we've got word they're killing even the short-term Con Carry after declared disasters mentioned in post #131 above.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/cal...for-disasters/
Looks like TEXAS gun owners turned things around: the declared disasters short-term Con Carry bill passes their Senate!



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Texas Senate approves bill allowing Texans to carry guns for week after natural disasters

The Texas Senate on Sunday approved a bill that would allow any Texan who can legally own a firearm to be able to carry it either open or concealed for seven days after the state declares a natural disaster, The Dallas Morning News reported.

The bill, which was narrowly passed 16-15, has been hotly contested. Three Republicans voted against the measure, including Sen. Joan Huffman, R- Houston. ...

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The bill has to be accepted by the House and will then be sent to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott’s desk, The Texas Tribune reported. The bill would take effect in September 2019.
More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tex...sasters-report
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Thumbs up TEXAS: ConCarry for a week after declared disasters signed into law

TEXAS

While it's short of full ConCarry, it is a step in the right direction.

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Despite protests from Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo and several lawmakers, Gov. Greg Abbott signed a bill into law Friday that will allow people without a handgun license to carry pistols in public — openly or concealed — for a week after a disaster is declared.
More at: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/new...y-13999097.php
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